Diablo® III

help on how to upgrade main hand for nirvana

i dont know whether to get a high AIS weapon or a high min-max dmg weapon like spear or mace
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High min-max dmg of coz! Spear is the best weapon. But I dont like 1.2 AS. So I selected Rare Axe!
Edited by ManUnited#3106 on 8/6/2013 8:56 AM PDT
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Rare fist with high min-max FTW!!! your a monk geeze....
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You want the best combination of high min/max with ias that you can afford.

Slow weapons are not necessarily better. Remember the bonus that Blind gives and that your ability to drop an additional bell during cooldown relies on how fast you attack.

EDIT: Also note that Nrvana disregards the "damage per spirit" issue and turns it into a Bell dps issue.
Edited by Fitz#1329 on 8/6/2013 2:01 PM PDT
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You want the best combination of high min/max with ias that you can afford.

Slow weapons are not necessarily better. Remember the bonus that Blind gives and that your ability to drop an additional bell during cooldown relies on how fast you attack.

EDIT: Also note that Nrvana disregards the "damage per spirit" issue and turns it into a Bell dps issue.


@Fitz

Whats about spear+EF? Is that better? Or like u sword + EF is the most best Nirvana choice. I want to know it too!
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08/06/2013 05:43 PMPosted by ManUnited
Whats about spear+EF? Is that better? Or like u sword + EF is the most best Nirvana choice. I want to know it too!


It is really tough to say. All I can say is find weapons that fit your budget, then calculate the bell dps with Blind and without, etc. and compare.

I do know that if I switched out my EF for a 95 CD/OS/0.25 IAS and got the best spear in the RMAH right now with LS it wouldn't beat my current setup.
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Hrmmm I wish my axe could have a dex roll on it. Still - bell damage is good.
Edited by Cayzer#6828 on 8/6/2013 6:54 PM PDT
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08/06/2013 06:53 PMPosted by Cayzer
Hrmmm I wish my axe could have a dex roll on it. Still - bell damage is good.

You can't have everything! :p
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08/06/2013 06:55 PMPosted by Weegee
Hrmmm I wish my axe could have a dex roll on it. Still - bell damage is good.

You can't have everything! :p


Why not? :P
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Slower weapons are cheaper for the same DPS and get a bigger DPS boost from EF.
However if you intend to add a Marquis ruby to MH which you should for Nirvana WoL then faster ends up with more DPS!

With a weapon with x APS d +damage% and EF with +a APS
DPS' = (DPS / x + 160 * (1+d)) * (x+a)
With DPS=1100 x=1.2 d=40 a=.25
DPS' = (1100 / 1.2 + 160 * 1.4) * 1.45 = 1654
With DPS=1100 x=1.4 d=40 a=.25
DPS' = (1100 / 1.4 + 160 * 1.4) * 1.65 = 1666 (12 more DPS with faster weapon)

A faster weapon with a Marquis ruby will get a bigger boost from EF except in an extreme case of DPS=1400 and d=30%

Hope this helps. Fitz nailed it with a really fast weapon.
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08/06/2013 06:53 PMPosted by Cayzer
Hrmmm I wish my axe could have a dex roll on it. Still - bell damage is good.


your rare axe is holy weapon!
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Slower weapons are cheaper for the same DPS and get a bigger DPS boost from EF.
However if you intend to add a Marquis ruby to MH which you should for Nirvana WoL then faster ends up with more DPS!

With a weapon with x APS d +damage% and EF with +a APS
DPS' = (DPS / x + 160 * (1+d)) * (x+a)
With DPS=1100 x=1.2 d=40 a=.25
DPS' = (1100 / 1.2 + 160 * 1.4) * 1.45 = 1654
With DPS=1100 x=1.4 d=40 a=.25
DPS' = (1100 / 1.4 + 160 * 1.4) * 1.65 = 1666 (12 more DPS with faster weapon)

A faster weapon with a Marquis ruby will get a bigger boost from EF except in an extreme case of DPS=1400 and d=30%

Hope this helps. Fitz nailed it with a really fast weapon.


so high dmg swords + EF is the best choice! Fitz is winner! Thats why kim said Fitz can handle MP44 even he only has single LS! :P
Edited by ManUnited#3106 on 8/6/2013 8:08 PM PDT
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Yeah fast weapons have over inflated dmg values with ruby.

Example my axe is 1285dps with 9 IaS, when I put a ruby in it becoms 1602 dps.
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