Diablo® III

Deckard Cain was the last living Horadrim

09/11/2013 02:10 PMPosted by Ketchup
I dont understand how the angels got their titles. Tyrael was the Angel of Justice but who gave it to him in the first place? Then at the end of D3, he named himself Angel of Wisdom... Do they just call themselves whatever they like and change whenever they like? That's just silly to me.


It's a title or perhaps a position that is granted to Angels that distinguish themselves with such traits and virtues. Not necessarily a permament title.
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D1 awesome story and plots d2/d2x awesome plot and story...d3....ehh not so much? more like butterfly ladys and floating heads, and diablo with flopping boobs awesome? I think not
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09/11/2013 01:57 PMPosted by Matius
So the Black Soulstone was stolen from Heaven? And Tyrael lost it almost instantly. Oh Tyrael, Imperius will devastate you this time :D
Well Tyrael didn't have a good option for the Black Soulstone. Since it's a man-made construct, he didn't know if he could destroy it, so he opted to hide it somewhere far away from both angels and demons.

Unfortunately, it didn't stay hidden for long.
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09/11/2013 03:03 PMPosted by Vaeflare
Since it's a man-made construct, he didn't know if he could destroy it


Yep, let's not give it the old 1-2 just for good measure, let's just assume instead.
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09/11/2013 03:05 PMPosted by tbagala
Since it's a man-made construct, he didn't know if he could destroy it


Yep, let's not give it the old 1-2 just for good measure, let's just assume instead.


Fail and release 7 lords of hell on the world again and GG you just wasted everyone's effort in the last two series.
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So the Black Soulstone was stolen from Heaven? And Tyrael lost it almost instantly. Oh Tyrael, Imperius will devastate you this time :D
Well Tyrael didn't have a good option for the Black Soulstone. Since it's a man-made construct, he didn't know if he could destroy it, so he opted to hide it somewhere far away from both angels and demons.

Unfortunately, it didn't stay hidden for long.


Why would a man-made structure be impervious to angelic weapons like El'Druin (which could destroy the Worldstone) or the Hellforge / Anvil of Annihilation (which could destroy anything)?

Nevermind that he explicitly states his intentions to destroy it throughout D3 Vanilla. I mean, that's the *entire point* in finding it and using it to suck up Belial and Azmodan. It's in the freaking game narrative.
Edited by Mith#1762 on 9/11/2013 3:16 PM PDT
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09/11/2013 03:14 PMPosted by MasterJay
Fail and release 7 lords of hell on the world again and GG you just wasted everyone's effort in the last two series.


Because hiding things from evil has always worked so well in the past

Why would a man-made structure be impervious to angelic weapons like El'Druin (which could destroy the Worldstone) or the Hellforge / Anvil of Annihilation (which could destroy anything)?


Also, this.
Edited by tbagala#1621 on 9/11/2013 3:17 PM PDT
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After aiding in the battle against the new Prime Evil, i'd assume Tyrael would be able to call in a few recruits. And before you pull the 'but only the nephalem was at the battle', remember that there's also Bastion's Keep, where you were congratulated by every other person you saw.

Plus, it's easy seeing these new Horadrim guys aren't exactly masters at combat. They barely last 7 seconds.
To be fair, the Horadrim shown in the Reaper of Souls cinematic trailer were brave enough to stand against Death himself, and at least one got away in time to carry out Tyrael's message.
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09/11/2013 03:23 PMPosted by Vaeflare
Death himself
Wait, isnt it an angel death-wannabe?
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I'm a bit confused by the whole "cannot (or don't know if it can) be destroyed" thingy. During the whole game (after Act 1), Adria said she would destroy the soulstone after gathering the souls of Belial and Azmodan.

Why didn't he asks "how" she would destroy the soulstone and "why" it would destroy the evil instead of bashing them back into the abyss and have them respawn in time...
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09/11/2013 03:03 PMPosted by Vaeflare
So the Black Soulstone was stolen from Heaven? And Tyrael lost it almost instantly. Oh Tyrael, Imperius will devastate you this time :D
Well Tyrael didn't have a good option for the Black Soulstone. Since it's a man-made construct, he didn't know if he could destroy it, so he opted to hide it somewhere far away from both angels and demons.

Unfortunately, it didn't stay hidden for long.


Tyrael wanted good but it came out as always :)

But to be serious, it won't probably be explained in the game so you could tell us now Vaeflare, How did Malthael found the hiding location? does he have allied Angels that are helping him or was he in disguise while spying on Tyrael?
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It would be kinda cool if you put the lore of the game IN THE GAME.
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From the Storm of Light synopsis:

Imperius and the other archangels vehemently oppose moving or destroying the crystal, leading Tyrael to put Heaven's fate in the hands of humankind..

I guess we'll have to wait until Storm of Light fills in the gaps >.<
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09/11/2013 04:16 PMPosted by Abolist
It would be kinda cool if you put the lore of the game IN THE GAME.


Used to be that way, as it should be, IF I feel like stopping and reading lore, I will on my own discretion.
Now, they prefer to waste time and money on nonsense by pushing these annoying story sequences in your face THE WHOLE TIME, and it's not even the lore...
They just don't get it.
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09/11/2013 03:03 PMPosted by Vaeflare
So the Black Soulstone was stolen from Heaven? And Tyrael lost it almost instantly. Oh Tyrael, Imperius will devastate you this time :D
Well Tyrael didn't have a good option for the Black Soulstone. Since it's a man-made construct, he didn't know if he could destroy it, so he opted to hide it somewhere far away from both angels and demons.

Unfortunately, it didn't stay hidden for long.


Why is it that Tyrael didn't think of destroying the Black Soulstone on the Hell Forge?
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09/11/2013 03:31 PMPosted by Matius
Well Tyrael didn't have a good option for the Black Soulstone. Since it's a man-made construct, he didn't know if he could destroy it, so he opted to hide it somewhere far away from both angels and demons.

Unfortunately, it didn't stay hidden for long.


Tyrael wanted good but it came out as always :)

But to be serious, it won't probably be explained in the game so you could tell us now Vaeflare, How did Malthael found the hiding location? does he have allied Angels that are helping him or was he in disguise while spying on Tyrael?
That's a question I can't really answer here, but you may very well find the answers you seek in time within Reaper of Souls. :)
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Some of you are looking too much into the game aspect of things and some of you are too lazy to do a little research for the information that is literally right in front of your nose.
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09/11/2013 01:41 PMPosted by Vaeflare
Tyrael himself revived the Order in order to help him safeguard Sanctuary and deal with the Black Soulstone.


So he gather some random guys instead of taking the most powerful being in the sanctuary, literally the god, the nephalem with him? Come on...


You're very close! when Cain died, the Horadric Order did indeed die with his passing, but there's more!

In the continuing story revealed in [url="http://us.battle.net/d3/en/blog/10782707/diablo-iii-storm-of-light-coming-in-2014-9-11-2013"]Storm of Light[/url] and the events of Reaper of Souls, we find out that after the events of Diablo III, Tyrael himself revived the Order in order to help him safeguard Sanctuary and deal with the Black Soulstone.

Because why take the stone to the Hellforge and destroy it when you can try to hide it away like you've tried and failed to do with so many things in the past?

Because that already worked so well at killing Diablo and preventing him from returning to physical form.


It used to work until D3 story happened. Do you still remember the whole Adria nonsense? Basically what the story says is that after smashing stones in Hellforge, the souls were not destroyed. They flew around the Sanctuary for 20 years without possesing anyone. Somewhere during that 20 years period, Adria cast a spell on all 5 demon souls and attached them to a thing (black soulstone) she only read about in books, she didn't know about it's location. Damn, she attached the souls to a thing that didn't even exist - remember the stone wasn't completed until Kulle was revived, opened his secret sanctuary and finished his work. Then suddenly it sucked the souls.
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09/11/2013 04:35 PMPosted by Wesker
Well Tyrael didn't have a good option for the Black Soulstone. Since it's a man-made construct, he didn't know if he could destroy it, so he opted to hide it somewhere far away from both angels and demons.

Unfortunately, it didn't stay hidden for long.


Why is it that Tyrael didn't think of destroying the Black Soulstone on the Hell Forge?
I'm sure he considered a lot of options, but the thing is, because the Black Soulstone is different than the soulstones of the past (like Mephisto's), and because it's a man-made construct, Tyrael wasn't sure what would happen if he tried to destroy it. Who knows what might happen if he attempted to do so? No one knows and such an attempt could prove to be catastrophic.

Therefore, he felt that the best and safest course of action was to keep the Great Evils locked within the Black Soulstone, and then hide it away from the influence of both angels and demons.

Now there are other dimensions that angels and demons created with the Worldstone, certainly. They're not really the sorts of places you'd want to go on vacation, though. Most of them are rather sad, empty places, and they are still the realms of the angelic or demonic faction that created that particular dimension.

The only truly neutral dimensions are Sanctuary and Pandemonium, but Pandemonium still has demons and angels in it, and Tyrael's mortal allies (the new Horadrim) wouldn't have been able to help him hide or guard the Black Soulstone in Pandemonium. As such, Tyrael believed that hiding it on Sanctuary was the best course of action out of the limited options available to him.
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09/11/2013 05:08 PMPosted by Vaeflare
wouldn't have been able to help him hide or guard the Black Soulstone in Pandemonium


Much like they weren't able to in Sanctuary.
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