Diablo® III

[Guide] Archon Rebirth (GR44)

2.2 S3&E3

Archon AT Rebirth - A Hybrid due to insufficient % CDR for outright "perma" Archon (GR44(45)


In-Geom (with varying success) makes "perma" Archon a possibility (T6/low GR)


Future: Vyr's is confirmed to get 6 pieces in a future patch (possibly with some needed skill changes).

Needed on top of Vyr's 6:

  • Add as base: BH:EH to the empty slot, Slow Time (dps debuff) and Teleport (Safe passage)
  • On kill mechanic changed to LoH mechanic. It would be balanced and scale well
  • Abilities with greater dps, AOE with new % chance to interrupt (based on Vyr's and rune)
  • Runes (CDR, dps, shield, mitigation)
  • Vyr's 6 (+5 sec duration, all runes, % on attack to spawn multiple clones and reset at end)
  • Some AP use during Archon enabling interesting buff mechanics and the use of Taeguk gem


  • Archon is often trying to face tank so LoH is needed (high GR). You get double effect with the dual attacks: Blast+Strike/DWave and so it scales with both % CDR and IAS.

    T6 rifts clear speed depends on continuous elite feed with In-Geom and can sometimes clear as low as ~2 minutes, but still clearly slower clears included.

    Use Gogok (GoS) for 15% CDR/IAS proc. It has up to 100% chance to proc (Rank 50). The real proc % depends on the proc coefficient of the ability used (1*0.2 AT:SD).

    AT:SD @ 0.2. Each SD bolt @ 0.2 per mob hit. It's the best for procs, dps and AP.

    BH procs it. Familiar rarely @ 0.1.

    GoS is also maintainable with Archon itself on a single mob with enough hp.

    With In-Geom you can often reactivate Archon before the maxed GoS stack expires.

    Archon has a minimum CD of 1 sec after it has expired even with 80% CDR and Pure Power. It's a built in lock to the ability. This can be used by limiting % CDR by an amount equal to 1 second.

    Focus is on AT:SD for Archon CD.

    For GR44 at least ~800-900k life and ~40k LoH (bracer+weapon+paragon) and LPS (follower+paragon).

    Play tips:
    High GR involves teleport kiting with DWave.
    For RG rotate BLZ+BH+AT+Archon if Archon can tank in melee range. Get Combustion (rune) Tal's 6 buff in any case. After Archon ends, time the use of BLZ+BH+AT so that you'll get 4 stacks with Archon preferably with 1 rotation. Sometimes 2. Paragon AP might be useful on some RG.

    Weapons:
    High GR: Born's 1H is great with Tal's 6 setup. You can specifically craft an ancient with: CDR/LoH/EE as well as CDR/RCR/RES shoulder. 15% life helps and 20% bonus xp is good in GR.
    T6 and low GR: In-Geom.

    Potion:
    Leech 15-20k LoH

    GR44(45) Tal's 6+Vyr's 4+Born's 3:
    66.36-71.39% CDR (8.61-13.64 sec CD)


    1.82/2.00 APS (2.03)

    Strongarms
    Vyr's boots (AT) + pants
    8% CDR Vyr's gloves
    10% + 8% + 10% CDR Born's 1H (Fire/Cold damage) + Shoulders (+8% RCR) + bonus
    8% CDR RoRG
    8% CDR Unity
    Tal's amulet (ChC+ChD) + chest + belt
    8% CDR Tal's source
    12.5% CDR Tal's helm

    20% CDR Evocation
    10% CDR Paragon

    1-15% CDR Gogok
    BotT
    Mirinae

    Optional survival gems. Not recommended. Get good rng instead.
    Esoteric / Wildebeest

    4 Tal's(6) GR44(45): http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/wizard#eNlSmO!iSbR!Ybbbac
    4 Tal's(6) GR44+ keyfarm: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/wizard#eNlSmO!iSbR!Ycbbac
    3 Tal's(6) GR44: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/wizard#eNjSmO!iSbR!YbZbac
    3 Tal's(6) GR43(44): http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/wizard#eNjSmO!iSbR!Ybabac
    Combustion (Tal's 4&6). 1st slot Cold skill = fire 1H element. Fire skill = cold 1H element.

    T6/low GR Tal's 6+Vyr's 4+In-Geom:
    Max Gogok up to 1.79 sec CD (1 elite pack) / 1 sec CD (2 elite packs)

    1.82/2.00 APS (2.03)

    Warzechian / Strongarm + Nemesis 100% needed on Shrines/Pylons/WoBs + Trag'Oul Coils
    8% CDR Vyr's gloves + pants + boots
    8% CDR + 12.5% CDR Tal's source + helm + belt + chest + amulet
    10% CDR In-Geom
    8% CDR Death Watch Mantle
    8% CDR Unity/SoJ (E3) / Zodiac (S3)
    8% CDR RoRG

    20% CDR Evocation
    10% CDR Paragon

    1-15% CDR Gogok
    BotT
    Mirinae / BotP

    4 Tal's(6) S3&E3: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/wizard#eNhSmT!iYbR!YcYbaY
    Combustion (Tal's 4&6). Illusionist can be used over Audacity/GC/EE.

    Follower gear:

    In 2.2 Meteor procs are gone.

    Immunity Relic

    TF (dps, slow the mobs, proc long range BotT)
    Azurewrath (freeze)
    Eun-Jang-Do (freeze)
    Butcher's Sickle (stun & Strongarm)

    Unity
    Wyrdward (stun with lightning weapon element)
    Bul-Kathos's Wedding Band (AOE dps on high health mobs)

    MLW (AOE dps)
    EoJ (Strongarm)

    Freeze of Deflection (freeze)
    Defender of Westmarch (dps)

    2.2 videos:

    GR44 clear @14:31 (65.97-71.09 % CDR):

    http://youtu.be/UbgyI2Zc1uw

    GR44+ keyfarm (65.97-71.09 % CDR):

    http://youtu.be/8HQxKmVF2jE

    T6 rift In-Geom (8 sec) First Tests:

    http://youtu.be/7gOU-usOYwI

    The 2.2 lvl70 CDR list. All % CDR is multiplicative.

    -8-10 sec absolute CD to all skills for 15 sec (applied after % CDR) on killing elite(pack). "Stacks" and works on skills already on CD. In-Geom
    -1 sec CD on random skill on CD on first hit with each cast of a resource-spender. ORotZ
    20 sec Pure Power
    Healing wells reduce all CD by 45-60 sec. Trag'Oul Coils
    20% Evocation
    10% Paragon
    Increases the socketed gem effect by 75-100%. Leoric's Crown
    12.5% (25%) Flawless Royal Diamond
    10% 1H/2H weapon
    8% each (source, rings, amulet, gloves, shoulders)
    8% Vigilante Belt (can't use with Vyr's + Crimson's)
    10% Captain Crimson's Trimmings
    10% Born's Command
    50% Empowered Shrine 120 sec. Gloves of Worship extend shrines to 10 mins.
    75% Rift Channeling Pylon 30 sec.
    1-15% CDR. Gogok of Swiftness: rank scaling % chance *proc coef on hit: 1% IAS & 1% CDR *15 for 4 sec.

    Skip replies to "today" for the newest builds. This guide has been working on a viable RoS Archon build since the first RoS datamine and is very different from those days.
    Edited by dominatus#2534 on 4/12/2015 2:08 AM PDT
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    isn't this the hybrid build that some people use especially if they are fond of arcane destruction?

    so when can improved archon be viable?
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    I'm not really that aware if the build has been mentioned before. I'm here basicly to say that there could still be a chance for Archon to exist post RoS.

    You can use Improved Archon for example if you're really into Archon and want to solo Ubers with it.

    You could do a short demonic essence farm run in warrior's rest with it also though.

    I wouldn't use any other rune than Teleport currently for pretty much anything else, because it allows you to be where you want to be. It has tremendous survival utility to for example escape from frozen or place yourself in the best line of fire where you'll hit as many monsters as possible simultaneously. Helps with movement speed a bit also.

    RoS should be all about reducing the CD also.

    I would appreciate if they increased the Archon duration to 20 seconds though, 15 sounds a tad too low.

    edited typos
    Edited by dominatus#2534 on 9/14/2013 6:55 AM PDT
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    I really, really dislike what they are proposing (remember that these changes aren't final) to do to Archon.

    They've given us a huge mob density boost which is great for grinding, but emphasizes the importance of being able to facetank and quickly melt through tons of mobs. The whole kiting playstyle is all about dragging difficult fights out by repeated hit 'n run tactics, which doesn't mesh well with the inherent grinding aspects off the game, nor does it work well with party play.

    They're taking one of our best facetank/grinding abilities and reworking it to be a burst damage effect that is almost completely useless unless there is a large quantity of trash around to buff it up. Chances are, by the time you realized you are in a difficult battle and need the buff, all the trash will have been wiped out, leaving you with 15 seconds of bleh.

    And they aren't even done yet. They said they wanted to nerf 3 builds... Archon, WW/Barb, and CM/WW wiz. They've completely neutered 2 of those builds, but haven't really done much with CM/WW... yet. I'd be amazed if refreshing Archon via CM/WW is going to remain viable, if the changes already posed are any indicator. I hope that they playtest the changes they are planning for "fun-ness" as well as for "dev-vision compliance".
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    To me it seems like they're trying to encourage farming styles where you gather a large amount of mobs before engaging. Get 80 monsters to follow you, pop archon and benefit from +240% damage. This is similar to what WD do now with BBV.
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    This build you're proposing is practically the same build that Archon players run against bosses and ubers. Basically it's a hybrid build designed around lasting no more than 15 seconds. Nowadays it's just Arcane Destruction to make use of the burst damage.

    In fact, this build saw a ton of use in multiplayer Archon games prior to 1.08 when there was no party on-kill features. Archon users had to run WW for near instant refresh. If CM remains as is, the build will see the same use in RoS.

    See: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/9377379295
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    @zylog: It can certainly look that way.

    @ATGOWTWT: Devs idea was to get Archon back to it's original intent, to not be a 100% uptime status ability. They could make sure that it doesn't take too much of a hit though. If there are going to be further CM/WW upcoming changes that make it more difficult to reset Archon cooldown then that could really be a game breaker. There are other issues with Archon also. It has room for more skills on the bar. I've actually thought that the Slowtime rune of Archon removes from survival rather than adds it vs Teleport rune so Teleport should be an actual skill on the bar, with Teleport rune replaced for something else.

    Despite the currently higher cooldown of 85 seconds compared to RoS it would be interesting if someone (who hasn't sold wiz gear) with high CC/APS and decent dps would test the 1.08 build out and canceled Archon at 15 seconds manually then taking clock of how long it takes to reset the remaining cooldown. And maybe try to estimate how much of the cooldown was reduced while in Archon form also. The mobs need enough health not do go down instantly though so there is time for procs. Also try casting some additional WW at the end so maybe the next Archon cooldown is cut down significantly by that already.

    edit: Actually I could test it out myself with cheap gear high APS+CC but low dps, if nothing dies there's no need to cancel the Archon. It won't be real conditions on the mob availability-wise but I can afford it and less tedious trying to manually cancel Archon.
    Edited by dominatus#2534 on 9/14/2013 9:16 AM PDT
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    @Jaetch: Okay, I stopped playing at May so I'm not that up to date with everything. I can see how nowadays grouping mobs with Arcane Destruction could be useful, though. But Teleport seemed like the choice for me at the time.

    I added Arcane Destruction to the build as it definitely seems a possible option for RoS as well.
    Edited by dominatus#2534 on 9/14/2013 8:41 AM PDT
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    While we are talking about Archons, Is there any other build you can run decently with Archon gear (ie: no APoC) or do I need to invest in a few different pieces to try something else?
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    @Jinrah: Well you can try Spectral Blade, probably the lifesteal rune and Blizzard. Spectral Blade also imbues it's attacks with cold damage for example from a SoJ. I've tried different things with it. Illusionist passive and Slow Time to boost damage.

    Anyway. I've just concluded my testing with what I believe to be the original APS/CC level of the gear I had on my Archon from a screenshot. It was most likely 2.50APS/65CC@515K. I just did testing on MP10 keep depths with not too many mobs simultaneously @2.50APS/65CC and 10 APoC Storm Crow.

    Archon: Teleport 102 seconds cooldown with Evocation. It's endless teleporting and arcane blasting while beaming. Archon cooldown always went down a minimum 60 seconds to full cooldown reset, meaning it went beyond 102 seconds! All during the 15 seconds time I timed with a clock and then canceled so kills didn't interfere with it.

    When I added a WW before enabling Archon it was 100% reset way before the time was up.

    Conclusion: Archon is still perma archon with these CM mechanics. Add a possible future CM nerf + Marquise Diamond + Paragon bonus. It's probably still totally perma archon.

    And the test was done with just a handful of mobs. Arcane Destruction - Teleport are all game on. Pure Power doesn't seem to be needed at all in general farming.

    I could definitely come back to Archon considering all the current gear will be made redundant.

    There is NO nerf to Archon. There is only increased DPS. This is a buff guys. Gear yourself right.
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    @dominatus: Sadly, I think you're being WAY TOO optimistic. Wake up and smell the bitter coffee. :( If you think that instant cooldowns will work through Wicked Wind, you're likely in for a rude awakening. I'd be planning for a massive nerf to Wicked Wind to the point it's largely unusable, and you'll be working with other skills like Living Lightning (if those aren't nerfed too). There's no way we'll see instant cooldowns in 1.0.8/RoS. I still hold out the hope that some skills will proc CM decently, but it's going to be a LOT less effective. CM is still probably going to be a bit better than what Gruesome Feast is for WDs, but I would expect a fair amount of down-time for Archon users.
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    Dominatus, why do you think the proc coefficient for Wicked Wind will be untouched?

    The designers haven't finalized those changes by a long shot, so what makes you think we will be able to spam Wicked Wind to refresh Archon? It works now, of course, and some of us have an APOC Triumvirate or Stormcrow for ubers. The "now" is what the designers are changing.
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    WW isn't even the most important factor here. Now it looks like it's enough if it's going to help. As long as CM isn't touched in regards to Archon abilities I will be able to perma spam it. So CM is what I'm more worried about now that I've tested 2.5APS/65CC.

    It will be enough if WW helps a bit. Even a 50% nerf to WW will probably be enough for me.

    Before we know more about the final changes, I'm very optimistic as I've already tested, although a limited amount that CM with Archon 15sec abilities alone is enough to reset 1.08 cooldown, RoS cooldown will be about half of what I've currently tested or less. It will be enough to reset Archon cooldown without WW, without tons of mobs help. It's all about CM now.

    It's exciting to me that Archon could be based around the players skill to maintain it, instead of what it is now. Sometimes you succeed, sometimes you might not. What we've come to see is the new trend of mass mobs, it will be several times more mobs hit at once than what I've tested on.
    Edited by dominatus#2534 on 9/14/2013 1:21 PM PDT
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    WW isn't even the most important factor here. Now it looks like it's enough if it's going to help. As long as CM isn't touched in regards to Archon abilities I will be able to perma spam it. So CM is what I'm more worried about now that I've tested 2.5APS/65CC.

    It will be enough if WW helps a bit.

    Before we know more about the final changes, I'm very optimistic as I've already tested, although a limited amount that CM with Archon 15sec abilities alone is enough to reset 1.08 cooldown, RoS cooldown will be less than half of what I've currently tested. It will be enough to reset Archon cooldown without WW, without tons of mobs help. It's all about CM now.

    It's exciting to me that Archon could be based around the players skill to maintain it, instead of what it is now. Sometimes you succeed, sometimes you might not. What we've come to see is the new trend of mass mobs, it will be several times more mobs hit at once than what I've tested on.
    The key is that you should be trying other skills, and specifically not Wicked Wind. If you're happy with the cooldown reduction on other skills, then you've got more of a leg to stand-on to be happy I think. The safest bet is to assume that Wicked Wind will be 100% non-functional, and you should avoid it for playtesting purposes. I'd try various runes of Shock Pulse (Living Lightning or Fire Bolts) or Spectral Blades to get a decent sense of how effective you'll be able to reset the cooldown with CM (assuming CM is left alone). My experience is that LL with Archon is decent, but you'll definitely start feeling the sting with fewer targets.

    My guess is Archon players will be rounding up mobs around elites, and then use the new archon damage bonus to take Elites out quickily.
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    09/14/2013 01:23 PMPosted by TekkZero
    My guess is Archon players will be rounding up mobs around elites, and then use the new archon damage bonus to take Elites out quickily.


    This was kind of how it was when no one had perma-archon; archon was something you'd pop for elites or dense spots (a mini-game to see how long you could keep it going). The designers have stated so many times that perma-archon wasn't "intended" -- it's supposed to be fun mode for a short burst and that's it.

    Archon can still remain on the skill bar. But perma-archon purple beast of awesomeness, as we have known it, played it, breathed it, loved it, is gone unless there is some magic archon duration gear in the works (ain't happening).
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    Even a 50% nerf to WW will probably be enough for me.
    This is where you're having way too rosy a view. Expect Wicked Wind being more like 1/10 of what it is now (ie a 10x nerf). Travis Day is on record as having mentioned that CM procs 10x more than was intended for CM builds. And it's no big mystery why we're able to do that: Wicked Wind.

    See the issue is this: Wicked Wind is widely way more effective by any objective measure to our other skills. Effectively we get about 4.15-5 average procs per cast with Wicked Wind. That's HUGE! Most of other good skills are between 0.5-1 average procs per cast. So a ~10x nerf would simply bring Wicked Wind down to the level of say Molten Impact or Arcane Mines. That's how ridiculously strong Wicked Wind is right now!!!! :lol
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    If WW was 100% useless, I really doubt that such a nerf would be made though. It may also be enough to be able to cast it twice before activating Archon as long as Archon handles the bulk of the cooldown. So even APoC may not be an issue. I could also use LL as a backup secondary instead of FN, it must be a skill that functions without my input while I'm in Archon form.

    Keep in mind that the values I'm talking here aren't exactly your standard 1.4APS or CC. These are high end values that change everything, and not everyone will be walking around with them at decent dps levels.

    Even if Archon couldn't be up all the time you could use that time to gather around mobs, though.
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    I think we really need to see what they intend to do with CM. If I had to guess, I'd say they're just going to remove the passive completely. Otherwise I would have expected to see some changes to it in the datamined info, even if it's just some wordage change, like most other skills and passives. The counter to that argument is you might expect them to mention if there's no CM passive to be found.
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    09/14/2013 01:31 PMPosted by jenpeezey
    My guess is Archon players will be rounding up mobs around elites, and then use the new archon damage bonus to take Elites out quickily.


    This was kind of how it was when no one had perma-archon; archon was something you'd pop for elites or dense spots (a mini-game to see how long you could keep it going). The designers have stated so many times that perma-archon wasn't "intended" -- it's supposed to be fun mode for a short burst and that's it.

    Archon can still remain on the skill bar. But perma-archon purple beast of awesomeness, as we have known it, played it, breathed it, loved it, is gone unless there is some magic archon duration gear in the works (ain't happening).
    Yeah sadly... :( I'm also expecting SNS to be dramatically diminished too. That all said, I'm not really negative at all about the future prospects of wizard, as I think builds like Sleet Storm and Meteor will probably be pretty darn viable! :) We're just gonna have to try to rely on things that aren't based around Archon or SNS.
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    @Loroese: I don't think it included every passive for every class. Could be wrong though. But I thought it was only the ones with either a wording or function change only. But CM is indeed what I'm most worried about.
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