wasnt Mephisto smartest evil?

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if irecall it was said during D2 he was the smartest but if Leah was Diablo's goal to make him the Prime then he planned to be defeated in diablo 2(along with baal, andariel, duriel, mephisto, beliel and azmodan,) wouldnt that make him a super genious as he planned something that far in advance?
Well I think Diablo outsmarted all of the The Great Evils but I think it is important to note that by devising the plan from D3 Diablo went against his two brothers, betrayed them. I think Baal and Mephisto didn't anticipated that Diablo would do that as I think they were united for almost eternity with perhaps some smaller squabbles.
Essentially, Diablo is chaos...and no matter how intelligent you are, you can't predict chaos. This is why he's capable of outsmarting Mephisto. It's not that he's more intelligent than his brother, it's that he's a far more creative mind that can't be predicted...and so you can't ever fathom what, exactly, Diablo is up to.
Yeah- but this "chaos" somehow managed to plan 20 years ahead... Using Adria. It's a "little" shaky basis.
09/25/2013 05:50 AMPosted by Mixxer5
Yeah- but this "chaos" somehow managed to plan 20 years ahead... Using Adria. It's a "little" shaky basis.


You have to remember that these are immortal entities that have existed for an extremely lengthy duration of time. As we age, we get better at formulating plans and coming up with an educated guess towards what events will cause what outcomes throughout the course of our day to day lives. Some of us are so adapt at calculating probabilities that it leaves others questioning as to if they have some sort of precognitive capabilities. Take the talent of counting cards, for example...which can get you banned from some casinos, last I checked. With that said, there are plenty of people who are exceptionally adept at manipulation and can steer the course of others without them ever realizing it, always knowing what buttons to push and how it will effect the target.

These skills are passive and learned throughout the course of our lives, some are just more adept than others. For these demonic entities that have existed for a vast period of time...twenty years is probably the equivalent to a human's ability to foresee twenty seconds into the future through the same methodology. These demons simply formulate plans on a very higher skill level than we do, and we're capable of beating them because there's always a margin for error no matter how skilled you are.

Mephisto is probably capable of formulating extremely intricate and complex plans that extend hundreds of years into the future, while his brother's ability is far less...but far more unpredictable in nature. Unpredictability is always the wrench in the plan that causes everything to collapse. Diablo is just too difficult to predict, no matter how intelligent you are...his plans are more colorful and tend to delve outside the box, leaving Mephisto incapable of predicting the outcome and subject to getting deceived.
09/22/2013 02:23 PMPosted by Tenebrae
Essentially, Diablo is chaos...and no matter how intelligent you are, you can't predict chaos. This is why he's capable of outsmarting Mephisto. It's not that he's more intelligent than his brother, it's that he's a far more creative mind that can't be predicted...and so you can't ever fathom what, exactly, Diablo is up to.


I thought Baal Lord of destruction was chaos...?
Essentially, Diablo is chaos...and no matter how intelligent you are, you can't predict chaos. This is why he's capable of outsmarting Mephisto. It's not that he's more intelligent than his brother, it's that he's a far more creative mind that can't be predicted...and so you can't ever fathom what, exactly, Diablo is up to.


I thought Baal Lord of destruction was chaos...?


I'm going more so off my perception of Chaos rather than the in game titles of the evils themselves.

- Diablo is amorphous, without defined shape and form...chaos.
- Diablo is creative, a chaotic mind is often creative.
- Diablo instills fear, which in turn causes chaos.

Baal is but one facet of chaos, destruction...which Diablo can easily cause through mass panic and hysteria caused by fear. I believe that Diablo embodies chaos far more than Baal's very limited facet of focus, though destruction is something I attribute heavily to chaos as well.

Baal is a very limited version of chaos, while Diablo is a much more multifaceted and better reflection of it.
Maybe it's because as the Lord of Terror he is the only one not afraid to betray his brothers on such a level?
They are all chaos, and I think the idea that the Primes didn't expect Diablo to betray them might have come from their innate power increase they give each other.

Fear begets Hatred, Hatred leads to Destruction, Destruction induces Fear, and so the cycle continues unabated.

Each of these Evils feed into the next, making the unholy trifecta into a powerhouse to be reckoned with. However, as cunning as each power was, Hatred leads to a blind wrath (making it hard to make or keep long lasting strategies), and Destruction seems to just get to much of a kick tearing the word down.

Diablo on the other hand was and is the lord of terror, and terror is an extremely sly and acute tool to get things done. Like comedy, terror is not only about subject, it's also timing. Diablo was the most patient of all the Evils, and likely the slowest to anger. The lord of terror could slap someone with horrific reality and tear them asunder, but as a creature that gains power from fear, he had a tendency to draw encounters out and (when not doing something more important) liked to slowly work his victims into an inevitable blind panic.

Taking that into account, it might still be that Mephisto is the "smartest" of the Evils, but his hatred kept him from being able to run a long gambit like Diablo has done. Because again, it's all about time and careful planning. If your victims don't see what you are doing and you plan accordingly, they will fall when everything is in place.
I don't know how serious one should take the characterization of the evils in diablo. Just look at Belial. Master deceiver, lord of lies. They could have written in an awesome plot where Belial only appeared to have died at the end of Act 2, and then reappeared in Act 3 as the mastermind behind creating the Prime Evil (rather than Adria.) It would have been perfect. In act 2 he, as Emperor Hakan assists you in acquiring the Black Soulstone, and he could even assist you in capturing Azmodan in Act 3. Then, bam! What the !@#$ we thought we killed you! Oh %^-* you tricked me into collecting all the evils into one! Oh !@#$ what have I done? BAM! Deceived.

But no. Instead the "lord of lies" is the literal emperor of the city that's being taken over from the inside out for no reason. Really easy to see coming.

My point is, even if one of the characters is described as the biggest genius of the bunch, I wouldn't pay too much heed to it. They had such a sweet opportunity to ACTUALLY make Belial the lord of lies. Instead it was just pointless.

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