Story Forum

Oct 26, 2010 Welcome: Please Read! Welcome to the Warcraft Story Forum! This forum is here as a means for players to discuss the storylines of the Warcraft universe, as told in-game and through the novels, manga, comics, and short stories that Blizzard publishes. Community forums work best when participants treat their fellow posters with respect and courtesy, so we ask that you take the time to read through the forum Code of Conduct ( and guidelines ( before posting. Important Reminders: Search The search function at the top of the World of Warcraft community site is extremely effective and robust. Before you create a new forum topic, please be use it to search for similar topics, blog posts, or web pages that may contain the answer for which you are looking. Making a new thread on an existing subject can result in your thread being deleted or, if you continue to re-post the same content, the loss of your forum privileges for spamming. Rating The forum rating system can be used to promote positive discussion, demote unhelpful comments, and even report posts that violate the forum Code of Conduct. By hovering over a post you'll be presented with several options, including a "thumbs up" (Like) and a "thumbs down" (Dislike) icon. Clicking the "thumbs up" icon will rate the post up. If enough people like a post, it will gain a Highly Rated status and appear at the top of related search results. Highly Rated posts will also have a highlighted background. Clicking the "thumbs down" icon will expand a drop-down menu which will include "Dislike," "Trolling, "Spam" and "Report" options. "Dislike" will rate the post down. If enough people dislike a post, it will be darkened, and with a lot of dislikes it will be hidden completely. You can also quickly report a post as trolling or spam, or use the report function to fill out a more comprehensive description of a violation. Please note that you can only rate each post once. Use your power wisely to help foster a positive and helpful forum community. While the community team will be moderating this forum as normal, members of the Creative Development team will also be monitoring discussions and looking for constructive feedback. Have fun posting on these forums, and good luck with your adventures in Azeroth!Lylirra1 Oct 26, 2010
Nov 9, 2010 Meet Creative Development What is Creative Development? Creative Development (CDev) is a "hub" within Blizzard, facilitating the development of ancillary products and services that tie into Blizzard's game universes. While there are several different divisions of CDev, this Warcraft Story forum focuses on the efforts of the Publishing division. What does Creative Development's Publishing division have to do with Warcraft's stories and lore? The Publishing division within Creative Development is the driving force behind every published story you've seen outside of the game: short stories, novels, comics, and manga. Who comprises the Publishing division of Creative Development? Publishing is made of two groups: Story Development: This group focuses on story idea creation, story outlining, and story development for licensed fiction, as well as for internally-written stories. Historians: This group is the repository for all Blizzard lore, providing counsel for the game development teams and the CDev Story Development group. What is the Publishing division's usual process for developing a story? Idea Generation & Outline Creation: Working with Chris Metzen and the designers on the respective game's development team, the Story Development team generates an idea and an outline for a story. The writer on the project is typically invited to our offices at this point in the project, so that they can be in on the ground floor of the story's creation. Story Development & Lore Checking: Over the course of the project, the Story Development team talks constantly with the writer, as well as with Chris Metzen and the game developers, in order to help hone the story into a Blizzard-quality tale. At the same time, our Historian team combs through the iterations of the story in order ensure that the story adheres to the universe's established canon. * Please note that the CDev Publishing division has only been fully staffed since early 2009, allowing for more resources and manpower to dedicate to each published product. What does the Publishing division hope to accomplish with this Warcraft Story forum? We'd like to give the community a chance to influence the development of our upcoming stories, so we're trying something new; this forum will serve as a direct line to our story developers. Please note that we're not looking for fully-formed stories - save those for the Global Writing Contest (which we operate and judge) - but rather we're looking for specific examples of what people like, don't like, and what they would like to see (story-wise) from us in the future. Lylirra0 Nov 9, 2010
Nov 9, 2010 Story Starter Guide Looking for more Warcraft information, but don't know where to start? Whether you've played Warcraft I, II, or III, these books will showcase the people and events that have shaped the Warcraft universe over the last few (in-game) decades: Rise of the Horde by Christie Golden - Set before the orcs invade Azeroth for the first time, this story explores what the orc race was like before its clans were forged into a single savage Horde under the influence of the demonic Burning Legion. Part of the novel focuses on the orc Orgrim Doomhammer and his childhood friend, Durotan (who would later become Thrall's father). Other parts of the story depict the aging shaman Ner'zhul; his ambitious apprentice, Gul'dan; the mighty Grommash Hellscream; the wise draenei leader, Velen; and several other significant characters. The Last Guardian by Jeff Grubb - This is a good introduction to older human history in Warcraft, with emphasis on the events of the First War (Warcraft I). Medivh, the Guardian of Tirisfal, decides to take on an apprentice: the young mage Khadgar. As time goes on, Khadgar learns that a half-orc named Garona is acting as a secret emissary to the nation of Stormwind. While he and Garona try to reach an understanding, Khadgar realizes that Medivh's behavior is growing increasingly erratic. Ultimately he and Sir Anduin Lothar, the childhood friend of both Medivh and King Llane Wrynn of Stormwind, reach a terrible realization: Medivh, an incredibly powerful wizard, is under the control of Sargeras, Destroyer of Worlds, creator of the demonic Burning Legion. This novel is also in print as part of the Warcraft Archive. Beyond the Dark Portal by Aaron Rosenberg and Christie Golden – Currently Out of Stock in Blizzard Store, but can be found on here: This is a good introduction to Alliance and Horde history during the events of Warcraft IIx. Instead of starting a new war, the shaman Ner'zhul has decided to open dimensional rifts from the orc homeworld of Draenor into fresh new worlds to conquer. Horrified at the possibility, Sir Lothar's former lieutenant, the human paladin Turalyon, leads an Alliance expedition into Draenor to stop Ner'zhul. With Turalyon are the mage Khadgar and the ranger Alleria Windrunner (the older sister of Sylvanas and Vereesa). Alleria and Turalyon began falling in love with one another in the Second War, but Alleria turned her back on Turalyon after the Horde invaded Quel'Thalas and killed many of her people. In the midst of battle on an alien world, can their relationship be mended? And can the Alliance expedition reach Ner'zhul in time to stop the Horde from bringing death and destruction into new worlds? Lord of the Clans by Christie Golden - This story depicts the life of Warchief Thrall, starting only a short while after Thrall was born. Raised among humans as a slave, Thrall became a master gladiator before deciding that he would escape his slavery. The story depicts Thrall's subsequent friendship with Grom Hellscream, as well as Thrall's journey to rejoin his clan and master the shamanic arts. When a disguised Warchief Orgrim Doomhammer provokes Thrall into a challenge to single combat, Thrall fights his first truly momentous battle: a fight whose consequences will change the course of history. This novel is also in print as part of the Warcraft Archive. Arthas: Rise of the Lich King by Christie Golden - This story explores the life and character of Prince Arthas Menethil leading up to the events of the Third War (Warcraft III) and Warcraft IIIx. As the plague of undeath ravaged Lordaeron, fear and desperation drove the prince to more ruthless measures until he had utterly lost his way. The story also explores the romance he shared with Lady Jaina Proudmoore, in addition to the unrequited love that the high elf prince, Kael'thas Sunstrider, bore for Jaina. The above stories are but the tip of the iceberg. Lylirra0 Nov 9, 2010
Sep 10 Read This Before You Post For whatever reason, this forum is seeing a massive influx of new posters. Whether it's due to the imminent launch of an expansion (and the tidal wave of lore accompanying it) or just a surge of passion, I feel like I need to reiterate some ground rules and common courtesies. 1). Be Objective! Do not come into this forum and make threads that begin with "So and so is such a terrible character" or loaded questions with heavy bias, i.e. "Why is the Horde so evil?" Doing so is just going to incite other posters an inevitably turn the thread into a flame war. On certain occasions this can also be grounds for disciplinary action. Play nice and keep an open mind. We're here to discuss story elements, not argue over opinions. Try to think like a writer. This is especially true for highly controversial topics like the Forsaken. 2). This Forum Is Not For Fan-Made Fiction! Despite what the name may imply, the Story Forum is not for sharing or discussing fan-made material. It is for discussing officially sanctioned lore/stories only. In short, if it doesn't have a Blizzard logo, it doesn't belong here. That doesn't mean you're forbidden from linking any fiction you may have written (it can be useful in explaining your position on a topic, for instance) or posting the odd paragraph; however, copying large amounts of text or creating threads specifically for any fiction you've written will be deleted or moved. If you want to discuss your own material please take it to the fine folks at the World's End Tavern Forum (otherwise known as the RP forum): 3). If You Have A Question, Chances Are Someone Else Has Already Asked It World of Warcraft has a lot of content, and the expanded universe of Warcraft as a whole has even more. However, there are several very popular topics that get addressed again and again. Before you create a new thread please check through the past few pages to see if there's already an existing thread on your topic. Not only does this keep the forum nice and tidy but it benefits you as well. Long threads tend to already have a very healthy discussion of its topic, and you may find through reading it that your particular insight has already been brought up, discussed, and concluded. If not, it's always better to stimulate an existing discussion than to try and start a new one from scratch. Don't worry, those of us who frequent this forum do carefully read each others posts. You don't need to start a new thread to draw attention. Furthermore, the regulars of this forum get very sick of answering the same questions all day long. I know the Search function hasn't always been the kindest tool, but again please take a few moments to quickly browse through the first few pages. 4). We Are Not Your Personal Encyclopedia On that note, this is not a Q&A forum. Think of it like a book club. You wouldn't show up to your group meeting and then start asking everyone what happened in the last chapter. You're expected to do your own research before coming here and opening topics for discussion. If you're looking for some direction there are many very helpful resources at your disposal: The Story Starter Guide, a sticky at the top of this forum. It includes information and links to out-of-game novels that are a great investment if you're interested in the lore of Warcraft: WoWPedia (formally WoWWiki), a crowd-sourced wiki on nearly everything you could possibly want to know about the Warcraft universe. A superb first-stop and excellent reference material for discussions: TvTropes, while not specific to Warcraft or Blizzard, is a great way to familiarize yourself with various writing or storytelling techniques. Potentially confusing points in the story of Warcraft can seem much more approachable when you realize it's all just part of a larger plan, and many posters on this forum like to reference popular tropes. Be warned, this website will devour countless hours of your time: That said, if there's something that's notably vague or unclear, by all means bring it up! Just avoid questions that can be solved easier and quicker with a search engine than a forum post. 5). Back Up What You Have To Say Be clear and concise with what you're trying to say and provide as much source material as is helpful. The more information you provide, the easier it will be for others to understand and respond to what you are trying to say. This is especially true for potentially obscure in-game quests. 6). This Is A Warcraft Forum Blizzard has many successful franchises with many rich, engaging stories. However, this is a Warcraft forum. Any threads pertaining to Starcraft, Diablo, or any other Blizzard product aren't allowed. Each of those games has their own forums specifically dedicated for their own lore. The Starcraft lore forum can be found here: Diablo lore can be discussed on the Legacy forum here: 7). Have Fun! This forum enjoys a very close relationship with its posters. Everyone here loves the work that Blizzard does, and on some level yearns to make it better. So be respectful to your fellow posters and don't make inflammatory attacks against Blizzard or members of its staff. This forum has a rather unique dynamic that is much... healthier than other forums, so don't come in here with a poisonous attitude. New ideas or insights are always welcome, as are humor and witty banter. Engage in topics that you find really exciting, but don't openly scoff at those that don't. Don't be afraid to change your mind. The past, present, and future are all fair game. Just be mindful of the rules and common courtesies, and above all else, have fun geeking out. Oh, and the Like and Dislike buttons exist for a reason!Odok110 Sep 10
Apr 18 On Sale Now! World of Warcraft: Chronicle I'm sure you've seen this by now, but I wanted to make sure since there is so much juicy info in this first volume to sink your teeth into. ... You can read the full blog post and watch the video with Chris Metzen (among others) talk about it here. For those that have it already, we'd love to hear how you're enjoying it.Nethaera18 Apr 18
Sep 15 World of Warcraft: Traveler Book Series Coming soon! We’re pleased to announce a new collaboration with Scholastic, the world’s largest publisher and distributor of children’s books on a new book series for kids ages 8-12 —World of Warcraft: Traveler! Read the blog post (which includes introductory video) here.Nethaera10 Sep 15
1m H vs A contention in BI Close to completing the Suramar story quests (I think, after the mythic dungeons), and I have found that there is no real story in BI other than a fraction of Stormheim that pits Alliance and Horde against each other. Heck even in Val'sharah, Horde must help Malfurion and Tyrande. Time and again, the overall BI story clearly indicates the Burning Legion is the juggernaut enemy that demands our full attention. Yet because of the faction-based game design, we are "compelled" to be enemies simply because of a failed invasion on the Broken Shore that had no follow-up sensible post-operation diplomacy and debriefing. Are our faction leaders meant to be as immature as North Korea? Even the Sylvanas vs Genn match-up is played out in such a fragmented manner that it feels all too contrived. It is without doubt that fighting each other is an exercise of moronic military strategy. The UK and USA did not turn against the Soviets before Germany and Japan were defeated for good reason. I feel Blizzard needs to put in better contemplation for a story that justifies a proper three-way battle like Terran vs Zerg vs Protoss. As a sidenote: what's up with the Naga sudden appearance? Old Gods are not the Burning Legion's friends; did they feel compelled to surface up to meet the Burning Legion threat as well? And fight us while they are at it?Rolleria5 1m
47m Ner'zhul is still Alive Ner'zhul is still alive Kil'jaeden bound him to the helm of dominance. Yes i know that Arthas and Ner'zhul fought for dominance over the host(arthas evil side, arthas good side, and nerzhul), and in the end arthas evil side "won" He stabbed nerzhul. But that act is purely symbolic. It means arthas was the dominant personality, but nerzhul is DEFINETLY still there. When you meet the lich king inthe howling fjord for the first time, (when you are investigating vyrkul shadow realm if you get too close) he kills you and says "I (<-- important) was once a shaman." this alone is proof Ner'zhul is still part of the lich king. In game canon trumps the books. here are more sources. from a different forum -Q. Will Ner'zhul appear at any point in 3.3 or the near future? A. Well, he is a chunk of the Lich King now. But if you mean will he appear as an orc, we're not ready to tell his story just yet. We have a lot of stories left to tell, but his is a good one. "CM Crygil also stated, "He didn't actually erase the persona of Ner'zhul. In point of fact, these two beings merged to make up what was collectively known as "The Lich King", on the official World of Warcraft forums. "Arthas and Ner'zhul have become a perfect fusion of one being - Arthas' personality and body with Ner'zhul's wisdom, experience, power and EVIL." -Chris Metzen, Blizzard VP of creative development also Darion Mograine : You are dealing with a being that holds the consciousness of the most cunning, intelligent, and ruthless individuals to ever live. from a quest in icecrown. take note, INDIVIDUALS, not individual. The ending of the book was retconned by the developers. In game lore > christie goldens atrocious book. " So i believe, arthas is probly dead, we see his soul put to rest, but Ner'zhul is definetly still alive, he was BOUND into the helm. Thats why Bolvar as soon as the helm was put on drastically change personality and says LEAVE THIS PLACE, talking in Ner'zhul's voice. Thats why we still see flashbacks of arthas in Legion. Ner'zhul lives, Arthas MAYBE still in there too. (probly not) So right now I think the Lich King is a Fusion of both "Bolvar/Ner'Zhul" How do you think bolvar is starting to do kind evil things? Multiple INGAME sources call him dual personality, reference shaman etc. Ner'zhul lives ( made this thread for common misconception that arthas killed ner'zhul, which honestly is silly, you cant just put on the helm and kill the lich king....there must always be a lich king, ner'zhul is eternal, unless his vessel is destroyed)Isillíen14 47m
47m Warcraft Elimination Game: Titan-forged In this thread, the contestants will be the Keepers, Lei Shen, and Helya. For anyone that is new to this type of thread, you can heal one contestant each turn and damage another. The thread finishes whenever only one person remains. Here is an example: Odyn- 5 Helya- 5 Heal Odyn, hurt Helya Odyn- 6 Helya- 4 Here are the rules: 1) Everyone starts at 10 health. However, if I feel the game is moving too slowly I will decrease everybody's health bar by 2 unless it puts someone at 1 or kills them. 2) To prevent favoritism, you can only post once per page. In the case that the game moves slow, if it has been 4 hours since your last post on the page, you can post again, knowing that it resets your 4 hour timer. Furthermore, if you happen to be last on the current page, you cannot be first on the next page unless your 4 hours runs out. 3) Once we get to the final 4, there will be a 40 cap imposed on all characters. Simply meaning, you cannot heal anyone past 40. All characters' health will be decreased appropriately based on the proportion between the character's health and the highest character's health. 3a) In the event that everyone's at the final 4 cap, health shall be divided appropriately upon the death of the fourth. 4) If I or anyone suspects anyone else of using alts, we can check it by using the ignore feature. If it comes up with other posters on the same page, you're banned from the game. Any further posts you make will be cast aside. All the people you healed will be hurt, and vice versa. Any character you spammed hurt on in this fashion may be brought back depending on how fast people caught it. 5) If you see an error in the score, correct it. Be specific at where you found it so others can see it as well. 6) Please refrain from clogging up the pages with discussion. Odyn- 10 Ra- 10 Tyr- 10 Archaedas- 10 Freya- 10 Thorim- 10 Hodir- 10 Freya- 10 Mimiron- 10 Loken- 10 Lei Shen- 10 Helya- 10 Heal Tyr, hurt Loken Odyn- 10 Ra- 10 Tyr- 11 Archaedas- 10 Freya- 10 Mimiron- 10 Thorim- 10 Hodir- 10 Loken- 9 Lei Shen- 10 Helya- 10Bankaltt39 47m
1h Characters that went MIA what are some characters that were introduced and you liked in previous expansions, but were never mentioned again? I am also making this thread in hopes of finding something I missed perhaps in the story that alludes to the fate of some interesting characters -shadmaster Kiryn (and crew): last seen at the celestial tourney as a pet battle master. They were pretty important in the leveling horde side and I was pretty surprised they didn't appear after pandaria -Sunwalker Dezco, token Tauren pally. Think I saw him in the siege of org quest but nothing after. -anyone from warlords of draenor pretty much. You would think maybe one or two would set up shop in org or the exodar. - Hozen or jinyu, they were helped by the horde and alliance quite a bit and I doubt they would be fickle enough to break their alliance with them. I tried googling and couldn't find much, but I could just be bad at itDrakehaiki20 1h
2h Updated Chronological order of WoW Novels. Alright after several hours of scouring the web I have tracked down what I am extremely confident is the full chronological order of the WoW Novels for anyone who may wish to catch up on their lore. I am not going to include the mangas,short stories, etc. on the list at the moment this is purely just the novels. (Most people including myself recommend reading them in this order as well) 1. Rise of the Horde by Christie Golden 2. The Last Guardian by Jeff Grubb 3. Tides of Darkness by Aaron Rosenburg 4. Beyond the Dark Portal by Christie Golden & Aaron Rosenburg 5. Day of the Dragon by Richard A. Knaak !! The War of the Ancients Trilogy takes place before Rise of the Horde but it is highly recommended that you read it after having read Day of the Dragon which is why I have the trilogy listed as 6,7,8 instead of 1,2,3. 6. War of the Ancients: The Well of Eternity by Richard A. Knaak 7. War of the Ancients: The Demon Soul by Richard A. Knaak 8. War of the Ancients: The Sundering by Richard A. Knaak 9. Lord of the Clans by Christie Golden 10. Of Blood and Honor by Chris Metzen 11. Arthas: Rise of the Lich King by Christie Golden 12. Illidan by William King 13. Cycle of Hatred by Keith DeCandido 14. Night of The Dragon by Richard A. Knaak 15. Stormrage by Richard A. Knaak 16. The Shattering: Prelude to Cataclysm by Christie Golden 17. Wolfheart by Richard A Knaak 18. Thrall: Twilight of the Aspects by Christie Golden 19. Jaina Proudmoore: Tides of War by Christie Golden 20. Dawn of the Aspects by Richard A. Knaak 21. Vol'Jin: Shadows of the Horde by Michael A. Stackpole 22. War Crimes by Christie Golden Important if you plan to purchase: There are three books that will include 3-4 stories in one book I am adding them to this to help you save money so you can buy one of these rather than purchase each book individually. The name of these are: 1. World of Warcraft: Chronicles of War - Includes Rise of the Horde, The Last Guardian,Tides of Darkness, and lastly, Beyond the Dark portal 2. World of Warcraft: Archive - Day of the Dragon, Lord of the Clans, The Last Guardian, and lastly, Of Blood and Honor 3. WarCraft War of The Ancients Archive - Includes WotA(War of the Ancients): The Well of Eternity, WotA: The Demon Soul, WotA: The Sundering Extra things worth noting Several times throughout the books some of them will reference events in the other books that arent necessarily in the chronological order of which the book was published hence why this list was created to help clean that up a bit for your reading pleasure. However if anyone wants me to add the date published of the books happy to do so. If you have any other info you think I should add in that people should know please leave a comment and I will add it as soon as I can. Happy book hunting and enjoy the reading! :) **Will add the new Warcraft Chronicle series as I get more info on them but they will be added** **Rendford in the Story Forum made a post with this link and figured since this is a novel post afterall why not add it here for you guys to get a taste of the new book Illidan by William King which takes place after the events of Arthas: Rise of The Lich King and goes into detail Illidans plight in Outland. Its the prelude and chapter 1 of the new book enjoy! 2h
2h Quick Question About Death Knights. I know that Death Knights feed off pain and suffering, but could they, possibly, feed off their own pain and suffering? Think about it. When they don't get their (what I like to call) "Sadism Fix", they "feel pain immeasurable." Is it possible that they could feed off their own pain and suffering at this point?Richtoffen11 2h
2h Death Of Tirion (My Thoughts) am i the only one who is salty about the death of tirion i mean think about it tirion played a major role after the warcraft 3 events he was the biggest threat to the lich king and he was the one that manged to do the impossible which is breaking frostmourne and defeating the lich king after so many have failed later on after him disappearing and having absolute no role in the past 3 expansions i thought that he will play a major role in defeating the burning legion and it is the perfect time for him to shine but.....blizz had other plans they killed him in a humiliating way like he wasnt killed by sargarass or something like broxigar he was easily tortured and killed i was really dissapointed i mean what do you guys think dont you think it would have been better if blizz kept him alive or what?Nedmo4 2h
2h Why are Maiev and the Wardens good guys? I just finished Wolfheart, and was wondering how come everyone from the Alliance treats the Watchers and Maiev as good guys? Didnt they try to have coup and assasinate Malfurion as well as try to purge all Night Elven Magi? They even tried to pin the blame on the Worgen? Why is everyone ignoring the fact that Maiev and her Wardens are Nelf Traitors?Biraelenn49 2h
3h Lor'themar and the Nightfallen We all know that legion and the history of WoW in general has a record of not utilizing and developing Horde faction leaders. They killed my boy Vol'jin and had Sylvanas be the only relevant Horde character in the Legion story so far, despite it overflowing with Alliance characters. I think it's especially criminal in the case of the Blood Elves. I'm not a big fan of the Belf's, but Lor'themar has worked his way into my favor, and got a lot of good development in MoP. I think that there is a lot of opportunity to grow this character even more in Legion, and it's one of the main focuses in the end game, that being the citizens of Suramar and the Nightfallen. Honestly, the parallel's between the two races are uncanny, especially with the whole Nighwell, Sunwell thing. While our character is helping the rebels establish a new base, it would be great to get some outside help to make it seem like other people in the world care about the struggle. Who better to help the Nightfallen than a race of Elves that have literally battled with mana addiction before and have come out on top. The belf's could prove to be such a important emotional connection for the Nightfallen, but of course they are no where to be seen. It's such a huge missed opportunity in my opinion. Personally I think it's just lazy writing, as clearly the new writers don't give a damn about any of the established character development as long as Sylvanas Waifu gets to be Warchief for no reason. I'm pretty salty about the whole Horde situation in Horde, but what do other people think about this kind of possibility?Shammyraptor117 3h
3h Will any dragons Survive? Now that the flights gave up so much power, they lost their ability to reproduce. However, the Black/Earth dragons never did give their power into the Dragon Soul? Most Black dragons are dead, but now we know of 2 male Earth dragons. What is the possibility that by using mates from another (fertile) flight will allow the final Aspect to live on? For example Netherwing, or those lightning drakes who are sentient?Barash9 3h
3h Nightfallen possible spoilers. So I just finished the whole grow the stupid tree deal and this tree's fruit apparently can cure magic addiction would the blood elves be interested in getting some that fruit?Thôr32 3h
4h Underwhelming Monk Campaign Reposting from GD because I figured it might get more traction here. SPOILERS BELOW. | | | | | | V We good? Okay. Now, don't get me wrong. A lot of the class order campaigns are great- the Death Knight one in particular. I've only completed 3 of the 12 so far, though as I hear it the priest and paladin campaigns are essentially the same. However, one of those 3 was the monk. The monk has got to have the most underwhelming class campaign. It starts out fantastic, with a full-blown Legion attack at the Peak of Serenity (hence why it's not your order hall), resulting in the death of Grandmaster Hight. You team up with Chen and Li Li, fight some demons, save some trainees, and generally have a butt-kicking good time as a monk. It only goes downhill from here. Following that, you get your artifact. The Brewmaster and Mistweaver quests are good and take you to the Temple of the Jade Serpent and Terrace of Endless Spring to fend off the Legion, but the only saving grace of the Windwalker weapon is that you're accompanied by Li Li. Otherwise, it has absolutely nothing to do with monks. It's not from Pandaria, it's not made for monks, or imbued with the power of an August Celestial or anything like that. You go to Skywall to get some elemental tol'vir handblades. Meanwhile, Elemental shaman go to Pandaria to get the Fist of Ra-den. I digress. That's only a part of it. The worst offender is the main focus of the class hall story itself. Booze. That's it. That's all there is to the monk story. Your main focus through the campaign after rescuing some random trainees (which I'm pretty sure were just added because they didn't want your entire roster to be made up of Pandaren + the Monkey King) is to make magic vrykul booze. Ooohh, ahhhh. You're not discovering the legacy of Kang, Fist of the First Dawn. You aren't gaining the power/blessings of the August Celestials. You aren't even undergoing some trials of self-improvement in an effort to find inner peace. Nope. YOU'RE GONNA GET TIPSY. Because that's what being a kung fu master is all about- getting drunk. When Aegira mentioned "ancient vrykul brewer-kings and queens" my eyes nearly rolled up into the back of my head. As someone else put it, "after the addition of the Demon Hunter, Monks are doomed to be the redheaded stepchild of classes 'til the end of WoW". So far that seems to be the case.Cantaloupe42 4h
4h Warcraft Movie 2? Illidan or Arthas? I enjoyed the Warcraft movie. I wasn't in love with it. We've seen Orcs vs Humans a 100x, but the setting and conflict needed to be established for people new to the story. That being said, I believe they could double their gross if the sequel involved Arthas or Illidan. They are both flag-ship characters that fans would love to see on the big screen. But would it be possible to have them come next? The Orc/Human war has just begun. Guldan is warchief. Thrall is just a baby. Orgrimmar hasn't been founded. It could be easily addressed with a "x years later", but we would be skipping over Troll and Tauren origins to fulfill that. There's still a lot of story to be told. Would it really be wise to put that all on the backburner for a pre-sequel? Thoughts?Braywick3 4h
5h Story Forum Community Lounge 124 Link to the Archive: Link to the last lounge: Rules: 1) The thread must be called "Story Forum Community Lounge" followed by its number. 2) No serious lore discussion. 3) No hating, flaming, or serious debates unless all sides wish to engage in the talk. 4) You must post these rules in the Original Post, so all can see the rules in future lounge. I capped the last one so here you go.Vaethria204 5h
6h Lady Liadrin is bad at counting So I was on my Pally Alt, starting out the Class Hall quests and I recruited Miss Lady Liadrin. And I'm not sure if this is oversight or if she's been busy in the past few years unbeknownst to us... But she says, "The Legion has hunted our people across countless worlds... taken countless lives. With each of our paladins that falls the Light reels in pain." So... two? Okay maybe three if you count Draenor twice if you hit it up from another time... As far as I'm aware, Blood Elves and previously High Elves, haven't exactly been galactic travelers. I mean... We've got Azeroth, Draenor-Outland and Draenor-Garrosh's Wacky Time Adventure which could hypothetically be two worlds i guess... Or is she just THAT bad at counting?Auralio8 6h
7h The Deathlords power of revival I have been thinking. Since its been shown that the Deathlord can create new Death Knights is it possible for DL to create Darkfallen and Val'kry?Sarîa4 7h
11h Forsaken Necromancers So why can the forsaken not resurrect new soldiers to reproduce with the power of necromancy? Are they noobs at necromancy not very smart? How is the Scourge able to do it so easily? It always seemed to me that Sylvans and her forsaken were wannabes, not as skilled as the lich king and the cult of the damned? Off brand lich king? Genn Greyman destroyed Sylvanys lantern and now they can never reproduce? So is the new lichking (bolvar/nerzhul) more skilled than her and has valkyries? did all the cool OG necromancers stay with the Scourge and only noobs joined the forsaken? Why does sylvanays NEED those valkyries? Her necromancers are noobs? She has none?Isillíen12 11h
11h Helya joins the Legion in 7.1? Well, maybe. The new 7.1 preview seems to imply it: Helya’s Treachery The ruler of Helheim is Helya, a deposed val’kyr queen who is determined to thwart the Valarjar in any way she can. Search Dalaran for the new quest, “A Call to Action”, to begin a quest line to discover the depth of Helya’s influence well beyond Tideskorn Harbor. Your primary goal will be to unlock new Helarjar World Quests. These will then appear for you all across the Broken Isles, so you can help put a stop to Helya's infernal impact.Threeslotbag11 11h
12h Goldrinn vs the Legion So I just saw this video on Reddit and it really got me thinking It says the Night Elves used the power of Goldrinn to fight off the Legion during the first invasion, but lost their humanity and became feral, and eventually tamed by the Scythe. Gilneas is finally getting some awesome story progression this expansion. Goldrinn is an ancient yet to be mentioned thus far this expansion. Do you think he'll show and unleash the power of the Worgen to destroy the Legion? Also, isn't it kind of goofy the Scythe of Elune isn't a Feral artifact? I mean Fangs makes sense to be Feral, but the Pack form seems a bit too intense to glance over for Laser Chickens. Or there at least should be an Avatar of Goldrinn hidden Artifact appearance or something for Feral DruidsTsunder10 12h
12h Falcosaurs? In 7.1, Falcosaurs have emerged as a new invasive species along Broken Isle coastlines, and we will be killing them for new crafting materials and vanity items. I'm not sure what to make of this. It feels random. How do y'all feel, Is this a teaser for incoming troll content or was intended troll content cut and Blizz implemented a small remnant of it?Felcrusher9 12h
13h "There must always be a Lich King" Maybe I just missed the more in-depth explanation for this in Wrath, but WHY exactly does there need to be a Lich King? We're told that without a Lich King, the Undead would run rampant...but why? Or why would that matter? Before the Lich King the dead were perfectly fine and just normal...dead people...unless acted upon by an outside force. And the crushing majority of dead still behave this way even when the Scourge and the Lich King were kicking around. Without the Lich King to raise more Undead and without the Lich King to control and direct them...shouldn't the Undead become a significantly SMALLER threat? They'd essentially be mindless zombies with very little to no tactical direction or control (which is what made them dangerous), little to no ability to raise more Undead or develop new weapons unless someone like KT came back and even then the Alliance and Horde could probably curbstomp him a third time. It just seems like they've could been all "Nah. We're good" and just spent a few months or a year hopping around Northrend, the EK and Kalimdor mopping up the remnants.Baluin24 13h
14h Magatha Grimtotem I just finished the Thousand Needles zone. Was wondering what happened to Magatha after we helped her. Is she responsible for Thrall's sudden bout of Elemental impotence? And how powerful are the artifacts that she acquired? Is she set to become a Raid Boss in some future expansion, or is it possible she'll make return in Legion?Fenkovac13 14h
14h My Talk with Xe'ras Me: So let me get this straight; Illidan kills his own kind, opens the Tomb of Sargeras, nearly destroys Azeroth (both on the Burning Legion's orders), enslaves an innocent species, threatens to wipe out that innocent species if they don't keep helping him, uses shadow magic to force their leader to co-operate, continues twisting orcs into monsters, forces a new species of dragon to be slaves nearly from birth, and does basically everything in his power to turn the lives of the survivors of Draenor from bad to worse, and yet I'm the bad guy for killing him? Xe'ras: Yes. You need to redeem yourself for saving Outland from a cruel tyrant only trying to show everyone that he wasn't a complete screw-up. You're the bad guy. Me: Riiiight. I thought the naaru were 'good and pure'. Xe'ras: We are, unless a crowd at BlizzCon cheers the idea of Illidan coming back and being redeemed. Me: Ah ha! So he is the one who needs redemption. Xe'ras: No, it's still you. Me: Stupid plot. -------------- Just an interpretation of the final memory hunting quest for Xe'ras. Seems the Warcraft writers forgot a few of the things Illidan did while they wrote his sub-plot in this expansion, and as a result we end up having a naaru who's an advocate of genocide, enslavement and murder. Blizz, either re-write that sentence, or have Xe'ras retract it, because calling us the villain in that scenario is complete and utter bullcrap.Dathrel43 14h
15h Legion Expansion Storyline? So I am trying to figure out exactly what is happening in this expansion. During WoD, we killed Archi and Gul'dan got away. This expansion I was at a loss from the beginning. Also, I rushed my leveling and didn't read what I should have to gain the knowledge of it all. So here is my questions. What is the storyline of Legion, and how does it play off of WoD. Where does the cinematic come into play (how long after WoD, and how we started working as a team with the opposite faction)? Is there a main focus on an enemy yet? Is Gul'Dan still the primary villain this time? I am going to go back and level my alt up to gain the lore first hand, but what would anybody mind sharing until I get to doing that? I really am at a loss. I love Warcraft (and WoW) lore. I have played since the first week of The Burning Crusade, and for the first expansion ever have been out of the loop. Any knowledge will help my fellow citizens of Azeroth!Unstahbubble1 15h
16h Priest Campaign: Disappointing Spoilers Just finished the Priest campaign... and WOW WHAT A DISSAPOINTMENT! I'm here to mostly vent about my experience with it, and hopefully others who have seen it might give their input on this. SPOILERS! ... _________________________________ Ending it there. I'm extremely disappointed with this entire campaign. I'm extremely mad that our class was entirely forgotten about later on. Essentially our story was about trying to protect ourselves, only to ask the paladins to do it for us. We don't do anything unique to our class. Our artifacts have no relevance in the story. Even Mariella and the Scarlet Crusade make no notions of Light's Wrath, but that's not even the end of it. Shadow priests are entirely forgotten about in the end. Natalie Seline is the only real connection to them and that's it. She has no input or consult beyond that segment. She's been dead since Warcraft 1, and she has no dialog about how the world changed and her teachings impacted stormwind's priesthood. I'm disappointed big time on the lack of named priests. and the lackluster ending which lacked over half of our champions. Moira is not to be seen anywhere.. The entire campaign is absorbed into the paladin storyline at the last half.Kinria142 16h
18h Jaina returned to Kul'Tiras Jaina is last seen resigning from the Kirin Tor and leaving Dalaran after the vote to allow the Horde back in passed. At first I didn't think much of it, but after seeing some of the shipwrecked sailors in Azsuna that appear to be Kul'Tiras sailors (green clothing and Kul'Tiras should be approximately southwest of the Broken Isles, and Azsuna is on the southwest corner), I started thinking maybe Jaina went back home to recruit the Kul'Tiras Navy to attack the Horde or something along those lines. What is your thoughts on what Jaina is doing after leaving the Kirin Tor?Dormis56 18h
18h "Who will Anduin marry?" So I saw this post titled "Who will Anduin marry" while I was trying to look at the front page of mmo champ today. Naturally I would never make an account or post on their forums, so I had to come share the truth that the future holds right here, on the actual WoW forums. Anduin will marry Aggra. Yep. After Thrall's untimely death, Anduin's overwhelming compassion and empathy will lead him to comfort and shelter Aggra and her newly born son, Goel. Goel will be a second generation raised-by-humans orc, only this time as an actual living being, and not a dog to be tossed in the pits for amusement. Goel will finally bridge the gap between the Alliance and Horde once and for all, so that their united front can finally confront the Legion on their home turf. I can only hope that Med'an is involved somehow. Please, let me know if you have any questions.Kryll66 18h
18h Best WoW Lore Podcast? Can someone point me to some current podcasts out there that are really good, with a focus on Wow Lore? I haven't been able to find anything that is current (WoW insider seeming to be gone and I believe that was the last noted one).Bintil3 18h
21h Hallow's End Anything new this year?Deathisfinal7 21h
21h The "Her" Ill'gynoth is referring to. "Her Heart is a Crater, and we have filled it" and "At the hour of her 3rd death, she ushers in our coming" I believe these are actually referring to the same person, and that person is Azeroth itself, or the Titan Soul inside of it. The 3rd death refers to that fact that there have been 2 apocalyptic events that happened to Azeroth, the Sundering during the War of the Ancients and the Shattering caused by Deathwing during the Catacylsm (and mind you Deathwing was working for the Old Gods, specifically N'zoth) I feel this xpac could end in some kind of apocalyptic destruction of the world. And the former is this: The crater is refering to the Maelstrom (and mind you in the Shaman Order Hall its referred to as the Heart of the World/Heart of Azeroth?) And remember it was the Old God Y'shaarj that was that hole? And this is the biggest one "We have filled it" refers to that Old Gods have filled the soul of Azeroth with Void...I believe the Titan Soul will be corrupted into a Dark/Void Titan. The last hint that could solidify it is the name of THIS soundtrack in the game specifically called "Menace of the DARK Titans" Think about it why does this track have that specific word? "Dark Titan" they could have easily said "Menace of the Burning Legion" or "The Fallen Titan" but they specifically said "Dark Titan" and Dark is obviously another word for Void or Shadow. What do you guys think?Argronak37 21h
1d A question for the community's writers. If you could have one or more of your "best" characters in-game and have a small to medium-length story behind him/her, what would it be? And by "best", I mean where would they fit into the story of where they are and why they are there? I shall comment below to kick this off.Richtoffen3 1d
1d Draenor is absent in Legion Alternate universe Draenor There's no signs of anyone from Draenor helping fight against legion. Why wouldnt azeroth call on Draenor through the portal (we used all the time from draenor to azeroth) for aid?Bbri8 1d
1d Mental Illness in Azeroth Just wondering, but does magical healing work on brain injuries, damage, imbalances, defects etc. that result in mental illnesses? Like, if there were schizophrenia or anxiety disorders in Azeroth, could it be fixed with a Cure Disease spell or some sort of healing spell?Pouncey27 1d
1d My Story Review Hey there everyone! I put together a little video talking about my thoughts on Legion's story and I'd love to hear your guy's thought on the video and on Legion's story as a whole. Here's link 1d
1d Warcraft 4/"WoW 2" So i've been kicking around this idea for how you would ever make a warcraft 4 or a "WoW 2" from a story standpoint, where does it take off from and such? For me, what got me thinking of how to continue the story was a topic brought up at some point here about Azeroth. What happens when it wakes up and are we out of a home when it does wake up and all that because we don't know what happens to planets titans wake up from (we know what happens to the ones that don't have a titan inside it though) I think that a great place to continue on would be basically... Azeroth wakes up, and the races of the horde and alliance sort of "jump ship" as to somewhere else, somewhere new, like a less dire version of the destruction of draenor. And then we pick up from there, I mean there's a lot of other worlds out there- the legion found plenty enough of them. What do you all think?Peijinn36 1d
1d Of Warlocks and Demon Hunters I would posit that Demon Hunters are in fact Warlocks themselves. A branch of demonology, to be precise. The Codex of Xerrath questline was rather illuminating regarding this. A demonologist can either focus their efforts on summoning and binding demonic allies, or infusing demonic energy into themselves, as seen with the temporary Metamorphosis ability. Demon Hunters seem to excel at binding demons and robbing them of their power. Perhaps if Kanrethad Ebonlocke had known as the Illidari do that specifically Arcane warding is needed to stably contain Fel magic within the body (see the Legion inscription questline), we might be seeing the very first human Demon Hunter, followed by other races as the Council of the Black Harvest would have spread the knowledge to other Warlocks. In fact, this next generation of Demon Hunters would likely have been superior in some ways to the first, as they would have no foreign demon soul within them to constantly battle. They would be the demon themselves. Seem plausible to anyone else?Gratiano43 1d
1d The History of Warcraft [EPUB], [MOBI], [PDF] Hello all, I've recently been getting into the Lore of Warcraft and I wanted to share it with you all. WowWiki has a very comprehensive history of Warcraft leading up to the beginning of the World of Warcraft game. I have compiled their history into a more readable form and I want to share that with everyone. To be very clear, I am not the author of this work and take no credit for the work that was done to create it. I simply put it all together and made it device-friendly. Below you'll find links for PDF, EPUB, and MOBI. Enjoy! EPUB: MOBI: PDF: 1d
1d Smartest villains in WoW. In my opinion, the smartest villains in WoW are N'Zoth, Yogg-Saron, Gul'dan, and Kil'Jaeden.Bankaltt54 1d
1d Uhh, Genn? Genn does realize that Sylvanas didn't take his son's future, she took his life, right? Yes, taking his future is involved in that, but there's enough of a difference that he really shouldn't be satisfied enough by simply denying Sylvanas immortality to consider his revenge complete. He should be trying to kill her. He can fail, but in that cinematic he never made any use of his elite squad of Gilnean troops or the murder machine of an adventurer he invited along for the mission who has made a habit of killing things like gods and immortals and tyrants and literally thousands of Horde troops (the Nemesis quests add up to about 3500 dead Horde). Even if he was badly wounded, he wasn't the only Gilnean there, and he never sent his forces in to fight.Pouncey154 1d
1d Strongest physical alliance race? So Dwarves Vs Humans Vs Nigh elves Vs Draenei vs Worgen I am not talking about who would win a fight with weapons but rather fists and brute strength. We know dwarves are strong.. but are they stronger then humans? I would put on average if dwarves are not collectively stronger they are just a little weaker. Humans would be a close second being just behind worgen. Worgens would have their human form + worgen form with increased strength and agility Night elves and Draenei being the biggest alliance races can be debated either-way. Night elves resemble a body of an elite crossfit person being strong and agile whereas draenei represent more of the oldschool massive chested brute force body builders.Qualkehk146 1d
1d NPCs react to Artifacts I thought it was neat on how Sylvanas reacted to Thas'Dorah. However I find myself curious how on how other NPCs have reacted to artifacts weapons. So what have reactions have you received when carrying your artifact?Gornur154 1d
1d Question about Elune and the Naaru. We all know Elune is a mysterious, but GOOD, entity that is of the Light. We also know that the Naaru are good entities that use the Light. From what we know Elune is immortal, but the Naaru can be killed. At the end of their life cycle Naaru turn into Void Gods (interesting, yes?). (Source: Recently, we learned that Elune created Xe'ra. (Source: Now, for the twist. I was going through Xal'atath quotes when I stumbled across a very interesting one... "I know the naaru consider us horrors to be resisted. We do not share this view. They are merely beloved brethren that lost the true path. They will return to their masters... in time." Unless I am mistaken, this means the Naaru were originally servants of the Void Lords because the voice speaking through the claw is the Old God whom the claw belonged. (Source:,_Blade_of_the_Black_Empire). If Elune created Xe'ra, but the Naaru were originally servants of the Void Lords, then... well... I'm confused (/scratches head)???Damuzî3 1d
1d Roleplay using a Hearthstone In wow lore, common citizens actually has a Hearthstone? I mean the item, not the game. (i read some posts about the game: / 1d
1d Troll patch/storyline? I know there is an ongoing joke about how there's always a troll raid coming. But I'm really curious. They are sort of teasing that Vol'jin isn't gone forever. I also think the shaman artifact appearance is interesting. The Loa also seem to be interested in Sylvanas. Also, considering how old the Broken Isles is, it would not surprise me at all. Aren't trolls the oldest race? Hakkar also helped the Gurubashi spread to other islands...Wellish20 1d