Story Forum

Oct 26, 2010 Welcome: Please Read! Welcome to the Warcraft Story Forum! This forum is here as a means for players to discuss the storylines of the Warcraft universe, as told in-game and through the novels, manga, comics, and short stories that Blizzard publishes. Community forums work best when participants treat their fellow posters with respect and courtesy, so we ask that you take the time to read through the forum Code of Conduct (http://us.battle.net/en/community/conduct) and guidelines (http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/15252595157) before posting. Important Reminders: Search The search function at the top of the World of Warcraft community site is extremely effective and robust. Before you create a new forum topic, please be use it to search for similar topics, blog posts, or web pages that may contain the answer for which you are looking. Making a new thread on an existing subject can result in your thread being deleted or, if you continue to re-post the same content, the loss of your forum privileges for spamming. Rating The forum rating system can be used to promote positive discussion, demote unhelpful comments, and even report posts that violate the forum Code of Conduct. By hovering over a post you'll be presented with several options, including a "thumbs up" (Like) and a "thumbs down" (Dislike) icon. Clicking the "thumbs up" icon will rate the post up. If enough people like a post, it will gain a Highly Rated status and appear at the top of related search results. Highly Rated posts will also have a highlighted background. Clicking the "thumbs down" icon will expand a drop-down menu which will include "Dislike," "Trolling, "Spam" and "Report" options. "Dislike" will rate the post down. If enough people dislike a post, it will be darkened, and with a lot of dislikes it will be hidden completely. You can also quickly report a post as trolling or spam, or use the report function to fill out a more comprehensive description of a violation. Please note that you can only rate each post once. Use your power wisely to help foster a positive and helpful forum community. While the community team will be moderating this forum as normal, members of the Creative Development team will also be monitoring discussions and looking for constructive feedback. Have fun posting on these forums, and good luck with your adventures in Azeroth!Lylirra1 Oct 26, 2010
Nov 9, 2010 Meet Creative Development What is Creative Development? Creative Development (CDev) is a "hub" within Blizzard, facilitating the development of ancillary products and services that tie into Blizzard's game universes. While there are several different divisions of CDev, this Warcraft Story forum focuses on the efforts of the Publishing division. What does Creative Development's Publishing division have to do with Warcraft's stories and lore? The Publishing division within Creative Development is the driving force behind every published story you've seen outside of the game: short stories, novels, comics, and manga. Who comprises the Publishing division of Creative Development? Publishing is made of two groups: Story Development: This group focuses on story idea creation, story outlining, and story development for licensed fiction, as well as for internally-written stories. Historians: This group is the repository for all Blizzard lore, providing counsel for the game development teams and the CDev Story Development group. What is the Publishing division's usual process for developing a story? Idea Generation & Outline Creation: Working with Chris Metzen and the designers on the respective game's development team, the Story Development team generates an idea and an outline for a story. The writer on the project is typically invited to our offices at this point in the project, so that they can be in on the ground floor of the story's creation. Story Development & Lore Checking: Over the course of the project, the Story Development team talks constantly with the writer, as well as with Chris Metzen and the game developers, in order to help hone the story into a Blizzard-quality tale. At the same time, our Historian team combs through the iterations of the story in order ensure that the story adheres to the universe's established canon. * Please note that the CDev Publishing division has only been fully staffed since early 2009, allowing for more resources and manpower to dedicate to each published product. What does the Publishing division hope to accomplish with this Warcraft Story forum? We'd like to give the community a chance to influence the development of our upcoming stories, so we're trying something new; this forum will serve as a direct line to our story developers. Please note that we're not looking for fully-formed stories - save those for the Global Writing Contest (which we operate and judge) - but rather we're looking for specific examples of what people like, don't like, and what they would like to see (story-wise) from us in the future. Lylirra0 Nov 9, 2010
Nov 9, 2010 Story Starter Guide Looking for more Warcraft information, but don't know where to start? Whether you've played Warcraft I, II, or III, these books will showcase the people and events that have shaped the Warcraft universe over the last few (in-game) decades: Rise of the Horde by Christie Golden - http://us.blizzard.com/store/details.xml?id=110000083 Set before the orcs invade Azeroth for the first time, this story explores what the orc race was like before its clans were forged into a single savage Horde under the influence of the demonic Burning Legion. Part of the novel focuses on the orc Orgrim Doomhammer and his childhood friend, Durotan (who would later become Thrall's father). Other parts of the story depict the aging shaman Ner'zhul; his ambitious apprentice, Gul'dan; the mighty Grommash Hellscream; the wise draenei leader, Velen; and several other significant characters. The Last Guardian by Jeff Grubb - http://us.blizzard.com/store/details.xml?id=110000055 This is a good introduction to older human history in Warcraft, with emphasis on the events of the First War (Warcraft I). Medivh, the Guardian of Tirisfal, decides to take on an apprentice: the young mage Khadgar. As time goes on, Khadgar learns that a half-orc named Garona is acting as a secret emissary to the nation of Stormwind. While he and Garona try to reach an understanding, Khadgar realizes that Medivh's behavior is growing increasingly erratic. Ultimately he and Sir Anduin Lothar, the childhood friend of both Medivh and King Llane Wrynn of Stormwind, reach a terrible realization: Medivh, an incredibly powerful wizard, is under the control of Sargeras, Destroyer of Worlds, creator of the demonic Burning Legion. This novel is also in print as part of the Warcraft Archive. Beyond the Dark Portal by Aaron Rosenberg and Christie Golden – Currently Out of Stock in Blizzard Store, but can be found on Amazon.com here: http://www.amazon.com/World-Warcraft-Beyond-Dark-Portal/dp/1416550860/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1269289009&sr=8-1 This is a good introduction to Alliance and Horde history during the events of Warcraft IIx. Instead of starting a new war, the shaman Ner'zhul has decided to open dimensional rifts from the orc homeworld of Draenor into fresh new worlds to conquer. Horrified at the possibility, Sir Lothar's former lieutenant, the human paladin Turalyon, leads an Alliance expedition into Draenor to stop Ner'zhul. With Turalyon are the mage Khadgar and the ranger Alleria Windrunner (the older sister of Sylvanas and Vereesa). Alleria and Turalyon began falling in love with one another in the Second War, but Alleria turned her back on Turalyon after the Horde invaded Quel'Thalas and killed many of her people. In the midst of battle on an alien world, can their relationship be mended? And can the Alliance expedition reach Ner'zhul in time to stop the Horde from bringing death and destruction into new worlds? Lord of the Clans by Christie Golden - http://us.blizzard.com/store/details.xml?id=110000056 This story depicts the life of Warchief Thrall, starting only a short while after Thrall was born. Raised among humans as a slave, Thrall became a master gladiator before deciding that he would escape his slavery. The story depicts Thrall's subsequent friendship with Grom Hellscream, as well as Thrall's journey to rejoin his clan and master the shamanic arts. When a disguised Warchief Orgrim Doomhammer provokes Thrall into a challenge to single combat, Thrall fights his first truly momentous battle: a fight whose consequences will change the course of history. This novel is also in print as part of the Warcraft Archive. Arthas: Rise of the Lich King by Christie Golden - http://us.blizzard.com/store/details.xml?id=1100000405 This story explores the life and character of Prince Arthas Menethil leading up to the events of the Third War (Warcraft III) and Warcraft IIIx. As the plague of undeath ravaged Lordaeron, fear and desperation drove the prince to more ruthless measures until he had utterly lost his way. The story also explores the romance he shared with Lady Jaina Proudmoore, in addition to the unrequited love that the high elf prince, Kael'thas Sunstrider, bore for Jaina. The above stories are but the tip of the iceberg. Lylirra0 Nov 9, 2010
1d Read This Before You Post For whatever reason, this forum is seeing a massive influx of new posters. Whether it's due to the imminent launch of an expansion (and the tidal wave of lore accompanying it) or just a surge of passion, I feel like I need to reiterate some ground rules and common courtesies. 1). Be Objective! Do not come into this forum and make threads that begin with "So and so is such a terrible character" or loaded questions with heavy bias, i.e. "Why is the Horde so evil?" Doing so is just going to incite other posters an inevitably turn the thread into a flame war. On certain occasions this can also be grounds for disciplinary action. Play nice and keep an open mind. We're here to discuss story elements, not argue over opinions. Try to think like a writer. This is especially true for highly controversial topics like the Forsaken. 2). This Forum Is Not For Fan-Made Fiction! Despite what the name may imply, the Story Forum is not for sharing or discussing fan-made material. It is for discussing officially sanctioned lore/stories only. In short, if it doesn't have a Blizzard logo, it doesn't belong here. That doesn't mean you're forbidden from linking any fiction you may have written (it can be useful in explaining your position on a topic, for instance) or posting the odd paragraph; however, copying large amounts of text or creating threads specifically for any fiction you've written will be deleted or moved. If you want to discuss your own material please take it to the fine folks at the World's End Tavern Forum (otherwise known as the RP forum): http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/1011637/ 3). If You Have A Question, Chances Are Someone Else Has Already Asked It World of Warcraft has a lot of content, and the expanded universe of Warcraft as a whole has even more. However, there are several very popular topics that get addressed again and again. Before you create a new thread please check through the past few pages to see if there's already an existing thread on your topic. Not only does this keep the forum nice and tidy but it benefits you as well. Long threads tend to already have a very healthy discussion of its topic, and you may find through reading it that your particular insight has already been brought up, discussed, and concluded. If not, it's always better to stimulate an existing discussion than to try and start a new one from scratch. Don't worry, those of us who frequent this forum do carefully read each others posts. You don't need to start a new thread to draw attention. Furthermore, the regulars of this forum get very sick of answering the same questions all day long. I know the Search function hasn't always been the kindest tool, but again please take a few moments to quickly browse through the first few pages. 4). We Are Not Your Personal Encyclopedia On that note, this is not a Q&A forum. Think of it like a book club. You wouldn't show up to your group meeting and then start asking everyone what happened in the last chapter. You're expected to do your own research before coming here and opening topics for discussion. If you're looking for some direction there are many very helpful resources at your disposal: The Story Starter Guide, a sticky at the top of this forum. It includes information and links to out-of-game novels that are a great investment if you're interested in the lore of Warcraft: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1008220832 WoWPedia (formally WoWWiki), a crowd-sourced wiki on nearly everything you could possibly want to know about the Warcraft universe. A superb first-stop and excellent reference material for discussions: http://www.wowpedia.org/Portal:Main TvTropes, while not specific to Warcraft or Blizzard, is a great way to familiarize yourself with various writing or storytelling techniques. Potentially confusing points in the story of Warcraft can seem much more approachable when you realize it's all just part of a larger plan, and many posters on this forum like to reference popular tropes. Be warned, this website will devour countless hours of your time: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HomePage That said, if there's something that's notably vague or unclear, by all means bring it up! Just avoid questions that can be solved easier and quicker with a search engine than a forum post. 5). Back Up What You Have To Say Be clear and concise with what you're trying to say and provide as much source material as is helpful. The more information you provide, the easier it will be for others to understand and respond to what you are trying to say. This is especially true for potentially obscure in-game quests. 6). This Is A Warcraft Forum Blizzard has many successful franchises with many rich, engaging stories. However, this is a Warcraft forum. Any threads pertaining to Starcraft, Diablo, or any other Blizzard product aren't allowed. Each of those games has their own forums specifically dedicated for their own lore. The Starcraft lore forum can be found here: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/1324400/ Diablo lore can be discussed on the Legacy Battle.net forum here: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/3354994/ 7). Have Fun! This forum enjoys a very close relationship with its posters. Everyone here loves the work that Blizzard does, and on some level yearns to make it better. So be respectful to your fellow posters and don't make inflammatory attacks against Blizzard or members of its staff. This forum has a rather unique dynamic that is much... healthier than other forums, so don't come in here with a poisonous attitude. New ideas or insights are always welcome, as are humor and witty banter. Engage in topics that you find really exciting, but don't openly scoff at those that don't. Don't be afraid to change your mind. The past, present, and future are all fair game. Just be mindful of the rules and common courtesies, and above all else, have fun geeking out. Oh, and the Like and Dislike buttons exist for a reason!Odok109 1d
Apr 18 On Sale Now! World of Warcraft: Chronicle I'm sure you've seen this by now, but I wanted to make sure since there is so much juicy info in this first volume to sink your teeth into. ... You can read the full blog post and watch the video with Chris Metzen (among others) talk about it here. For those that have it already, we'd love to hear how you're enjoying it.Nethaera18 Apr 18
Aug 4 World of Warcraft: Traveler Book Series Coming soon! We’re pleased to announce a new collaboration with Scholastic, the world’s largest publisher and distributor of children’s books on a new book series for kids ages 8-12 —World of Warcraft: Traveler! Read the blog post (which includes introductory video) here.Nethaera8 Aug 4
3m Genn going after Sylvanas Does this make any sense whatsoever? Anduin flatly says going after the horde is not the right thing to do in this hour of desperation and Jaina flips out over it and then he immediately sends us off with Genn to go attack Sylvanas on the Broken Isles? What?Failcker2 3m
7m Blizz made the Alliance look Epically stupid I just finished the stormheim intro quest on both sides and from what it look like, the alliance attack a full fleet with just one ship. Then they lost the skyfire! The most iconic ship in the entire Alliance. The ship that help took down deathwing, the ship that ferry us to pandaria. Poor Skyfire.. Really the faction war just make the factions look idiotic at this point. I can understand not trusting one another, but outright running after one another while the demons marches on our home turf. It's just dumb.Kirethy136 7m
7m Please no more Khadgar or Thrall Thrall's evolution over the Cataclysm, MoP and WoD expansions was cringe-worthy. I'm not sure who's in charge of writing and character design now, but prayer-beads? Really? How did this not get laughed out of the design process before Cataclysm release? When you take a believable character like Thrall and turn him into the paragon of virtue and infallible goodness he became, you kill him as a character. He's just a caricature now. Khadgar is Thrall v2.0Amoc13 7m
16m Who is the Most Powerful?! Who is the most powerful/badass Priest, Druid, and Mage in Warcraft lore? Take those three and let's say they all go at in an all out fight, who would come out on top and who would be left at the bottom! and why?Marvee4 16m
16m Genn's motivation in Stormheim. The impression that I got from the zone was that Genn was just exploiting 'weak' leadership to pursue his own agenda. I haven't played the Alliance version of events, but did it seem as though this was a 'sanctioned' operation? What was the Alliance's original intent if not? If it is just him taking vengeance where he can, consequences be damned, how many wounds is this guy going to inflict on himself/people? It was Genn that pulled suppourt from the Alliance of Lordaeron and basically abandoned them to their fate. Just as it was Genn that made the decision to unleash the Worgen curse thinking himself safe behind his walls. That alone should have more attention than it gets. If the curse of undeath hadn't swept through most of the living population of Lordaeron already, if the living had won that fight, the worgen curse would have decimated them just as efficiently as the curse of undeath had. It certainly ripped Gilneas apart fast enough, and would have likely been the end of them were it not for a magic cure all. So did Genn just provoke a new war to get revenge for his son? I understand the motivation there, but he could have acted alone. He brought the entire Alliance into this by attacking with their soldiers. Surely he has by now heard what happened on the Broken Shore, whether he buys it or not, the justification for war is pretty flimsy.Anjin14 16m
39m Nightborne, Vrykul, Highmountain playable? Did anyone else see any of these races while questing and have any desire for them to be playable? In stormheim I was jelly of the Vrykul the whole time.Ellssa3 39m
56m Looking for some lore content I have noticed that a lot, I mean A LOT, of demons look like Draenei. Is this by intent? Have some of the Draenei given over to the Fel? Or did Blizzard just run out of body styles? Does any one know where I can look up some lore on this?Xorm4 56m
1h Genn Greymane made the Alliance Great Again Because no one has ever been able to stick it to Sylvanas and the Forsaken in such sexy fashion until now. :D She might not be dead, but boy did it feel good to finally get a worthwhile victory over the Forsaken- after so much the Alliance has lost to them over the past 7 or so years. So far, this expansion has restored so much of the Alliance's soul... and to think, all it took was Varian dying to finally get us motivated again. I am super proud to be Alliance right now. (Unless I was a draenei. They're still jobbing, apparently.)Madelynn5 1h
1h Warrior Intro *possible spoilers* For the Horde High Overlord Saurfang travels with you to the Broken Shore and is apparently shot down. Is that it? Does that story ever get picked up again? Because if not that is ridiculous.Revanoc20 1h
1h Was Genn in the right? Hey everybuddy (Yagarr here.) Just wanted an official place to discuss ONE specific event featuring Genn. - Freeing Eyir. So, right or wrong? Con: -Continues to divide the Horde and Alliance against the Legion. -Killed both Horde and Alliance forces. Pro: -Enables better relationship between Alliance and good Vrykul. -That was some pretty ominous !@#$ she was doing.Felcrusher70 1h
1h Story Forum Community Lounge 122 Since 121 is on the last page im gonna kick off the next one. Link to the Archive: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/8087929632 Link to the last lounge: http://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20748544914?page=1 Rules: 1) The thread must be called "Story Forum Community Lounge" followed by its number. 2) No serious lore discussion. 3) No hating, flaming, or serious debates unless all sides wish to engage in the talk. 4) You must post these rules in the Original Post, so all can see the rules in future lounge. It bothers me that Talrendis Point is fully functional for the Legion Invasion. Theres nothing explaining why theyre there.Estus445 1h
1h Sylvanas vs Player- Fate of the Horde quest Can anyone shed some insight on Sylvanas' attitude towards the player at the end of Fate of the Horde? When turning in the quest the text reads: "Your deeds have earned you leniency from my bow, but do not press me. ... We will speak later. You can wait." To which our reply is "For blood and honor, Warchief!" At first I thought maybe it was a bug, since I was turning in the quest on my Hunter, maybe I was getting the Demon Hunter response from her, which would make a little more sense why she would be antagonistic towards a DH, but I get the same response no matter which race/class turns it in. Then after you turn in the quest, she tells you what a good job you've done and treats you like a champion of the Horde. It seems like the wrong text was inserted in this quest, as she should be welcoming us back from the Broken Shore and asking us to accept her as the new Warchief, since her immediate response is "I accept your pledge of loyalty." Anyone have any insight?Bullshovic40 1h
1h Backstabbing your faction (legion spoilers) From what I have seen so far, DK's do the class campaign for the horsemen. Horde DK's go into their own city, basically against their own faction, and if you are undead, against your own race, against your own CITY. You kill the guards that as a low level character, protected you from world PVPers that kill your vendors. Not only that but as a horde DK we JUST "pledged our loyalty" in the pre-expansion events to the Warchief. Seriously? Alliance DK's kill neutral Argent crusaders, and crazy Scarlets. I suppose the blades of the fallen prince do their work on the PC and we are no better than Arthas.Leftybone131 1h
1h A confused Draeni gets the Doomhammer Thrall: "You must now bear the Doomhammer!" Las: "Wait, what?" Thrall: "The elements no longer respond to me, you are the chosen one to lead the Earthern Ring." Las: "Isn't this like some ancient Frostwolf, or Thunderlord, or Blackrock Clan artifact? You don't have many of these." Thrall: "I...just thought..." Las: "Also, Orgrim, your father's best friend gave this to you to keep clan tradition alive, and as symbol of your leadership of the Horde as Warchief." Thrall: "...." Las: "Not to mention as a Draenei, I'm disgusted by this weapon that Orgrim bathed in the blood of innocent Draenei women and children who may or may not have been my family before Gul'dan led him through the protal. He was also the Warchief when the Dragonmaw were chain @!**!!#*!* Alexstrasza." Thrall: "......" Las: "And don't you have a super shaman wife who married into your clan tradition? Or even your young son? Or literally any other Frostwolf or horde shaman? This was originally a warrior's weapon, so don't give me any malarky about not knowing whether your son's going to be a shaman or not." Thrall: "...." Las: "I mean, I don't really need it. I got plenty of epics so my leadership of the Earthern Ring would be pretty shady if I needed your hand-me-downs to cement my credentials. I mean, you could go ahead and just craft a second offhand and I'll dual wield em if need be." Thrall: "...." Las: "Did you know I killed Drek'thar in Alterec Valley?" Thrall: "Give me my hammer back." Las: "No, quitter. It's mine now, BoP."Las10 1h
1h Stormheim *spoilers* sylvannas Shes not fit to be a leader its down right pathetic the events that happened in stormheim, while the world is under attack by demons she sends a team of all forsaken in order to help her find immortality and then fails miserably. He first big mission as big cheese is a complete failure. She was just a means to an end for me. How many undead troops did she waste on her personal quest? Think about this real quick Thralls horde: a nice mix of all the races, remember the Horde Expedition from wrath? Made up of all the races. Even garrosh's horde had a mix of orcs and mercenaries of whatever race he thought proved his worth. Voljins army was back to the thralls horde with each race playing a good role in the future of the horde as well as his first major campaigns going well. Then sylvannas is just all undead and her first campaign is a failure. Story wise you can see that your PC isnt doing the other zones for the horde and that the stormheim faction scrim was done with an off army of both factions armies. As an orc her quest for immortality is dangerous and disgraceful we orcs know what happens when you do things like that. and her failure leaves a bitter taste in my mouth. Horrible first impression. Lor'themar would of been better if we needed a non orc he would of kept the peace at least. Also i am unsure if her all undead horde army is just fan service or if its clever writing foreshadowing,implying or whatever else. BRING VOL'JIN BACK. He was respectable and he actually won battesXanthine6 1h
2h The Horde playing Second Fiddle to Alliance? Why do we have to reinforce the Alliance at the Broken Shore? Why is it that we have to be ALLOWED readmittance to the Kirin Tor. The Sunreavers and by effect Blood Elves rank among the best spell casters in Azeroth. Strong enough to fight the Kirin Tor in its Own right when Bolstered by Thalassian Military. It is a Blood Elven Artifact wielded by the Fire Mage adventurer that searches it out. Given the Assault on the Broken Shore combined with the Disrespect of the Kirin Tor in not readmitting Aethas Sunreaver to the council, it really feels like we arent being given our Due.Aerfist152 2h
2h So what actually changed with Nathanos? No, seriously, I'm perplexed after seeing this new model of his go live. He was your typical first generation Forsaken rotter - gored by the Scourge during the butchering of Lordaeron, resurrected, enslaved by the Lich King, and freed by Sylvanas. He was never a banshee who could preserve or pretty up his corpse. He was just a dude. Albeit a pretty tough customer. Only now he's a perfectly fleshy, bulky human again with new crimson eyes. This isn't even just a gameplay thing, the PC can actually comment on this bizarre change in-universe, twice, but no one is willing to indulge you. Think about that - they're presenting this new form as an evolution of the first one, not a "correction" or "update" like pre and post Wrath Sylvanas. So, in the years he's been absent, he somehow transformed from an emaciated, ultra bony skeleton with the most rotted Forsaken face available to a fully fleshed out human. He's even grown some facial hair. What? When? How? Is there any meaning behind this? Or does Sylvanas just want her man to have more meat she can cuddle?Meldaea29 2h
2h Any1 else feel bad (Stormheim Spoilers) That we Dispel the Barrier w/ the Help of our buddy from Helheim Ashildir who vouches that we are of good char and etc. We then assist sort of in trying to enslave Eyir her sort of Patron Diety or something. Feels pretty Dickish. Next meeting is going to be awkward. I feel like the bad guyBiraelenn31 2h
2h Exodar Scenario *Spoilers* Does anyone else feel the writing for the battle of the Exodar scenario was a bit ham-fisted and forced? I mean, aside from basically retconning the books by saying that the Exodar wasn't already functional and able to fly since Cataclysm... Am I expected to believe that Velen, a man who is roughly 20,000 years old, who has seen thousands upon thousands of his people fall countless times, only for the Light to persevere and ultimately lead them to Azeroth... Am I expected to believe that some random Eredar shows up, attacks the Exodar, gets killed and turns out to be Velen's son whom he didn't even know existed anymore; And this is what causes the Prophet to renounce his title and say the Light is dead? Let's also forget the fact that I'm pretty sure we could have just popped over to "new" Draenor to unlock the Light's Heart as well. This is all easily the worst, least believable bit of writing I've encountered since the whole time-traveling Garrosh thing. I can't help but feel this is just Blizzard's way of pushing the Light aside so that Demon Hunters can have an actual reason to exist.Xintross19 2h
2h Warchiefs of the Horde rated, (Spoilers) So it struck me that the Horde is now on its 7th Warchief since the founding of the organization. This is of course not counting the Fel Horde, Iron Horde, or the True Horde. So I figured it would be a good idea to rate each Warchief based on their performance, deeds, contributions, and approval ratings. This is going from worst to best Warchief. Do note these are only my opinions. Also this is based on their performance as Warchief not anything they did before or afterwards. 7. Blackhand the Destroyer: The Horde's original Warchief, elected based on popular approval from among the many orcish clans on Draenor. Blackhand was himself however a puppet of Gul'dan and his Shadow Council. Blackhand oversaw the corruption of the Orcs, the genocide against the Draenei on Draenor, and oversaw the initial invasion of Azeroth and kicked off the first war. On Azeroth Blackhand's approval ratings began to take hits as the war against the Human Kingdom of Stormwind dragged on. Around this time Durotan chose to reveal what he knew of Gul'dan's Shadow council to Orgrim Doomhammer, Blackhand's best commander. With Gul'dan in a coma, Orgrim challenged Blackhand for control over the Horde and killed him. Blackhand gets an overall poor rating. While he was elected on a high approval rating he failed to maintain it. His role in some of the worst events in Warcraft's history and overall lack of positive contributions to the Horde leaves him pretty low down. 6. Ner'zhul: Ner'zhul's reign as Warchief was a short and failed reign. Ner'zhul's attempts to open more portals to invade other worlds resulted in the devestation of Draenor. His military policies were modestly successful at first but he failed to stop the Alliance counter attacks into Draenor. He also failed to unite more than a handful of clans to join his forces either on Draenor or Azeroth. Indeed I was hestiant to even include him on this list as a Warchief of the Horde but he just barely scrapes in. His only positive contribution to the Horde was the brief reopening of the Dark Portal allowing the Warsong Clan and a few others such as Rexxar access to Azeroth. The Warsong Clan and Rexxar would be vital in helping rebuild the Horde on Azeroth. 5. Garrosh Hellscream: Garrosh Hellscream is to say the least was a controversial Warchief. Garrosh was appointed to the position of Warchief by Thrall initially as temporary measure however as Thrall had to save Azeroth Garrosh became Warchief full time. Despite Thrall and Saurfang's efforts to curb Garrosh's hot temper and propensity towards violence Garrosh meet hositlity from his fellow Racial leaders within the Horde. Vol'jin made his hatred of Garrosh known quietly plainly, Sylvanas mocked Garrosh behind his back and more subtly to his face, and Cairne openly challenged Garrosh after a border incident involving druids and orc warriors (likely members of the Twilight's Hammer clan to be honest). Garrosh came to power on a wave of approval from many Orcs who viewed him as a return of the Glory days of the Horde, a war hero in Northrend. Garrosh's initial foreign policy plans were focused on securing Horde Territory from Alliance incursions and producing buffer territories for the Horde. To this end Garrosh ordered invasions of Gilnaes, colonization by the Goblins in Azshara, increased pressure on other contested territories. On domestic policy front Garrosh focused on industrializing the Horde, with the Bilgewater Goblins joining the Horde. However Garrosh's policies took on dangerous racial overtones very early on, with a Social Darwinist mindset which mostly translated to "Orc's first, Tauren second, everyone else can either fall in line or kiss my orc !@#". On the Diplomatic front Garrosh's only major contributions are as follows; reintroducing the Dragonmaw clan to the Horde, overseeing the incorporation of the Goblins, Hou'jin Panderan, and Hozen into the Horde, and his support of Baine Bloodhoof's reclaimation of Thunderbluff from the Grimtotem Tauren. This is about it for Garrosh's positive moments. Diplomacy within the Horde was arguably Garrosh's biggest probelm, not entirely his fault at first but he did little to improve the situation. He killed Cairne in a duel, though Baine did not blame Garrosh for Cairne's death as Garrosh's axe had been poisoned by Magatha Grimtotem. As stated above Garrosh was already not well liked by Sylvanas and Vol'jin. However this does not excuse his interactions with Baine, Lor'Themar, and Ji Firepaw. Baine was likely a lost cause as the two were dramatically opposites; Baine prefering diplomacy while Garrosh was a warhawk. Lor'Themar is arguably his biggest failure, keep note of the fact that Lor'Themar's attitude towards Garrosh was decidedly neutral. Garrosh and Lor'Themar ended clashing during the Pandaria campaign over Garrosh's reckless abandone in throwing away the lives of Blood Elf forces in pursuit of Mogu relics and the power of the Sha. Garrosh frequently sent said forces in with poor intelligence resulting in heavy casualties, with his only response being to say that they should have fought harder. Unfortunatly for Garrosh this just made Lor'Themar despise him and plot for Garrosh's overthrow. Garrosh did not make allies or friends, he expected his followers to obey him or be crushed under his boot. Militarily Garrosh's expansionistic policies lead to the destruction of Theramore, the blockade of Kalimdor, and the Pandaria campaign. Internally he struggled to maintain power without the use of violence. Garrosh's biggest fault as a leader is that he approached every problem with typically one response and that was violence. His racist policies and inability to work with the rest of the Horde leaders lead to his downfall. Garrosh left office with most of his followers dead or scattered. While arguements can be made that Garrosh was not properly prepared for the responsibilities and demands of being Warchief which have some validity he did little fix this problem. He failed to make allies of the rest of the Horde leaders who didn't have an issue with him at the start such as Gallywix, Lor'Themar, or Ji. Gallywix indeed tried to get in Garrosh's good books but Garrosh did little to capitalize on this openness. 4. Sylvanas Windrunner: Sylvanas has only been Warchief for a very short period of time and thus we have very little to go off of to rate her as a Warchief. Sylvanas was reluctantly appointed Warchief by a dying Vol'jin. Sylvanas has been hestitantly accepted by the other leaders of the Horde so far. Many positives of her rule thus far such as the Horde being readmitted into Dalaran had little to do with her own leadership. Negatives of her rule are also arguably not so much her fault, considering the conflict in Stormheim was started by the Alliance. While it is probably a good thing that Sylvanas does not have access to a massive supply of Vry'kul, it does not bode well for her rule. If Sylvanas is to succeed as Warchief she must do three things: first defeat the Legion, rather straight forward but easier said than done. Second she must avoid expanding conflicts with the Alliance, as pissed as she may be about Stormheim she must keep a level head and remained focussed on fighting the legion. Third she must engage with the other leaders of the Horde and strengthen ties with them, in particular Baine and Lor'Themar. Baine and Lor'Themar rose to prominance within the Horde's leadership during the Pandaria campaign as they became heavily involved with the resistance against Garrosh Hellscream. The two of them were also the first leaders after Thrall to acknowledge Vol'jin as Warchief and openly support him. Given the interactions between the two and Vol'jin in Vol'jin's final hours it appears that their support had earned them Vol'jin's ear and favor. In the case of the fromer their is little history between the two to draw from. While they fought together on the Broken Shore it is likely that Baine does not have a very high opinion of Sylvanas. Baine likely sees more than a few warning signs of Sylvanas being potentially just as bad if not worse than Garrosh. Lor'Themar is a much more complicated kettle of fish that Sylvanas knows she needs to patch up holes with. The two have a history together in the Silvermoon military where Lor'Themar was her second in command. Sylvanas also supported the Blood Elves entry into the Horde and provided military aid in campaigns in the Ghostlands. However relations began to sour when Sylvanas black mailed Lor'Themar into sending forces to join the war against the Lich King. During the War Council before the Theramore Campaign Sylvanas tried to lean on Lor'Themar for support but Lor'Themar chose to remain silent. They fought together during the Siege of Orgrimmar and were back on speaking terms by the events of War Crimes suggesting that Sylvanas is at least trying to mend fences. 3. Orgrim Doomhammer: Orgrim Doomhammer is a controversial Warchief to say the least. He sacked Stormwind city and lead the Horde on into the Second War. He allowed the Dragonmaw Clan to enslave the Red Dragon flight and allowed Gul'dan to create the first Death Knights. At the same time Orgrim laid the foundations for the modern Horde, disolving the Shadow Council. He made the Horde's first attempts at diplomacy with the Amani Trolls and Goblins, as well as negotiating with the human Kingdom of Alterac. He lead the Horde's intial resurgence and the liberation of the first interment camps. He encouraged the restoration of the Orcs Shamanic culture and a rejection of the warlock magics of old. This does not however excuse Orgrim's actions during the First and Second Wars which lead to massive civilian casualties. He also failed to deal with the Warlocks before they could do serious damage, failed to maintain relations with the Amani Trolls, and lost the Second War. Orgrim's true success lies in the legacy he left for future leaders of the Horde. 2. Vol'jin: Vol'jin's rule as Warchief was brief but arguably a successful mired by little in the way of controversy. Vol'jin became Warchief for his role inorganizing the resistance and eventual overthrow of Garrosh Hellscream. He entered office with support from leaders such as Thrall, Baine, and Lor'Themar along with acknowledgements from Sylvanas and Gallywix. Vol'jin's rule started with the cessation of hostilities with the Alliance, ending the conflict that had arguably been going on since the Battle for Undercity. He also would lead the Horde forces in a joint Alliance-Horde assault on the Broken Shore. While small skirimishes with Alliance forces continued the state of Total war had ended and reverted to the previous cold war state of affairs. He also improved internal relations within the Horde and appears to have been extremely popular with the common people of the Horde many of whom, from Orcs to Blood Elves showed up for a vigil as he was dying and the strong coalition of Horde Forces that were deployed to the Alternate Draenor. This is most impressive when considering that the Horde had just come out of a brutal Civil War. Vol'jin's reign is hampered however by the fact that it was so tragically short. Vol'jin was mortally wounded on the Broken Shore, telling Sylvanas "do not let the Horde die this day." Sylvanas ordered the retreat at this saving the remaining Horde forces from being over run and wiped out by the Burning Legion. Vol'jin's final hours were spent making sure that the Horde would have the best chance to survive. Vol'jin's potential as Warchief was never fully realized. 1. Thrall: Thrall is probably the best Warchief the Horde has yet had though is rule is not without fault particularly in his later years. Thrall turned a blind eye to the activities of the Forsaken in developing their now plauge. He also placed way to much faith in the relatively unready Garrosh Hellscream in the lead up to the Cataclysm. He also did little to curb the blood lust of the up and coming generation of Horde warriors. One can also accuse him of failing to take responsibility for Garrosh's actions or reassert himself as Warchief after the death of Deathwing. However this is a focus on Thrall's time as Warchief and while the legacy of his rule bears some weight it does not define his ranking. Thrall's positive contributions out weigh his faults as a leader in many regards. Thrall lead the Horde to Kalimdor and forged the new Horde, bringing in the Darkspear Trolls and the Tauren. He lead the Horde at Mount Hyjal and established a peace with the Alliance. When Kul'Tiras violated that peace, Thrall restrained his forces to only fighting Kul'Tiras' forces keeping the conflicted limited and resolving it quickly. Thrall focused on rebuilding the Horde, arguably basing it off the model of the Alliance rather than the original Horde. Thrall established Durotar and began a rebirth of the Orcs on a societal level. He built a home for the Orcs and the Trolls, reintroduced shamanic traditions, and engaged in a strong diplomatic policy of building alliances with other races ostracized from the rest of society such as the Forsaken and Blood Elves. The alliance with Forsaken he notes was not one that he took lightly.Randwin2 2h
2h Warcraft Elimination Game: The Old Gods In this thread, the contestants will be the Old Gods and their minions. For anyone that is new to this type of thread, you can heal one contestant each turn and damage another. The thread finishes whenever only one person remains. Here is an example: Training Dummy #1 - 5 Training Dummy #2 - 5 Heal Training Dummy #1, Hurt Training Dummy #2. Training Dummy #1 - 6 Training Dummy #2 - 4 Here are the rules: 1) Everyone starts at 10 health, however, if I feel the game is moving too slowly I will decrease everybody's health bar by 2 unless it puts someone at 1 or kills them. 2) To prevent fanboyism, you can only post once per page. In the case that the game moves slow, if it has been 4 hours since your last post on the page, you can post again, knowing that it resets your 4 hour timer. Furthermore, if you happen to be last on the current page, you cannot be first on the next page unless your 4 hours runs out. 3) Once the final 4 is hit, there will be a 40 cap imposed on all characters. Simply meaning, you cannot heal anyone past 40. All characters' health will be decreased appropriately based on the proportion between the character's health and the highest character's health. 4) If I or anyone suspects anyone else of using alts, they can check it by using the ignore feature. If it comes up with other posters on the same page, you're banned from the game. Any further posts you make will be cast aside. All the people you healed will be hurt, and vice versa. Any faction you spammed hurt on in this fashion may be brought back depending on how fast people caught it. 5) If you see an error in the score, correct it. Be specific at where you found it so others can see it as well. 6) Please refrain from clogging up the pages with discussion. Y'Shaarj- 10 Yogg-saron- 10 C'Thun- 10 N'Zoth- 10 Xal'atath- 10 Deathwing- 10 Azshara- 10 Xavius- 10 Cho'gall- 10 Loken- 10 Ragnaros- 10 Neptulon- 10 Therazane- 10 Al'akir- 10 Heal N'Zoth, harm Loken Y'Shaarj- 10 Yogg-saron- 10 C'Thun- 10 N'Zoth- 11 Xal'atath- 10 Deathwing- 10 Azshara- 10 Xavius- 10 Cho'gall- 10 Loken- 9 Ragnaros- 10 Neptulon- 10 Therazane- 10 Al'akir- 10Mythelm220 2h
2h Blizzard, stop it I should not have to see the sunreaver sanctum cluttered with a ramshackle forsaken mess, and I DEFINITELY shouldn't have to see blood knights wearing blue silver hand tabards. Stop it. You need to learn the difference between original, and absurd.Leotheras32 2h
3h Ysera SPOILER https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ad1JP7BmAGo Well good bye Dragon aspects. Now we just need to kill Alextraza and be done with it. Blizzard seems intent on doing that at least.Zerde122 3h
3h Warchief Sylvanas? I was browsing around looking for more information about Legion when I saw something on Wowpedia. It said Sylvanas was now the warchief of the horde. When did this happen? Is this a permanent change. Or is Wowpedia just wrong, and this is just the error of someone who jumped the gun? Any information would be appreciated.Komtarz103 3h
4h Legion Patch Layout Hi wow players, this is what i think the patch content layout for legion will be...(feel free to post your own opinions below) 7.1 Return to Karazhan We already know that this is the patch name and it will include a large dungeon in Karazhan and one in Stormheim. So not much to say here. 7.2 Shadows of Nighthold This will include The Nighthold raid +additional outdoor content involving the lore of the Nighthold. 7.3 The Tomb of Sargeras This will include The Tomb of Sargeras raid + a revamped Broken Shore for the max levels. 7.4 Fires of Argus This final patch will include a raid on Argus + Argus as a outdoor zone. That's it ! Thank you for reading, i would love some help to flesh out the lore so please comment.Blackbeaerd0 4h
5h Cringy Legion Crack Theories Have a prediction about how Legion will end? Is it stupid? Does your theory make you squirm and rage with righteous furvor? Is it a theory so terrible, so rife with mary sues that the very thought of it makes you want to drop your subscription? Post it here folks. Let's all share the pain together. Here's mine: The 9 val'kyr who made a pact with Sylvanas didn't make the pact so that they could all have their freedom, as they claimed. They made the pact because they saw Sylvanas was the destined future queen of the val'kyr and will finally bring an end to the conflict between Odyn and Helya, and the 9 wanted to ensure she would survive long enough to become supreme val'kyr queen.Samariyu0 5h
7h Tyrande and Ysera spoilers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbGHpf0PkmY Tyrande chooses the Temple of Elune over saving Malfurion. I am happy with this. I was wrong.Feraliona325 7h
8h Legion questing cinematics. (SPOILERS) Didn't see a thread for these. Obviously, spoilers involved. I'll be posting these as they're uploaded, so stay tuned. Val'sharah #1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LhIge2nsgE) #2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUuy9SYrWJs Stormheim https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFOlv3w5Qpw (How the hell did anyone survive that crash...) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTtSlQfSsQY (GENN BIG DICK BADASS 2016) Suramar https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_NzxWGrVaY Order Hall, ft. surprise guest https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNAgdqi18koValko153 8h
8h Different heroes to replace Varian in BS. In the Broken Shore event ofcourse. These heroes are left alone to face the onslaught of Legion baddies. Could one of our contestants actually make it to Gul'dan and even possible cleave him? Jaina Thrall Saurfang Grom Arthas LotharGezbek2 8h
8h Wait does this make...*Highmountain Spoilers* Doesn't the Highmountain questline make it so Spiritwalker Ebonhorn would be the next best option for the Black Dragonflight leader? And if so would it even be possible for him to take (or even find) a consort and start repopulating the original Black Dragonflight? Discuss.Madaria2 8h
9h Night Elf Maturity and Enlistment Near as I can ascertain Night Elves reach physical maturity around 18-20 just like humans, but they aren't considered 'adults' until they're around 100 years old. So if a young kaldorei wanted to enlist in the sentinels, when would she be allowed to do it? At the age of physical maturity? Or at the age of mental maturity? Would they let her join at the age of physical maturity and simply relegate her to training and chores until she was old enough to fight? Or would they make her wait until the age of mental maturity and put her through a more human training regimen? I'm having trouble nail down or finding reference to which one makes more sense for the character backstory I'm writing so I thought I'd pick the forum's brains. Any advice or direction will help out a lot, thank you.Duskears14 9h
9h (SPOILER) About Sylvanas This has story spoilers for Legion. Warning given. When Vol'jin dies and names Sylvanas the next Warchief of the Horde, what limited emotional expression Blizzard manages to get out of her face, makes it imply that she is a little taken aback by Vol'jin's words. We all know that Sylvanas is a queen b---- (was even called such by an NPC during Wrath) and that all she wants is power and for her Forsaken to survive and thrive. All at the cost of pretty much anything else. Horde included. But the look on her face makes me think that despite the fact that she just got what she always wanted, but is actually saddened by the 'how' she got it. I have always thought that if she ended up becoming warchief one day, that the Horde will start a downhill spiral considering her lack of interest in the general well-being of the Horde as a whole and her complete disinterest in representing the best interests of every race, not just the Forsaken. But, with that expression alone, do you think there is a chance she will actually start doing good for the Horde? Meaning, being a GOOD leader?Selline47 9h
9h Maiev lore I just read the Illidan book and listened to the tomb of Sargeras audio drama, and I really dislike Maiev Shadowsong. So I'm wondering are there any sources of lore that paint her in a better light, is it just these stories that make her look kinda awful or is she simply just unlikable?Martayous29 9h
10h long time player, first time lore Not sure how much sense that title makes but I've been playing wow since it started and have always skipped or ignored the lore. I guess its because who I started playing with and all I was concerned about at the time was pvp. Anyway, after seeing the movie, watching countless YT vids for legion, I actually want to get into the lore. I know im really behind but I would like to start with the books. Reason I ask this here is there seems to be a new book which has a ton of stuff in it but im not sure if it should be read before the other ones? Could someone give me a "shopping list" in order of what I need to read to get caught up to now?Odînn7 10h
10h World of Warcraft : Chronicle 1 Mistake? Hello guys, i was reading this magnific book...and got to the part where they talk about "Galakrond" and Tyr was gathering reforces to stop him to eat the whole thing The book mentions the Aspects as "proto-dragons" but we all know they arent proto-dragons At first i tought it was a translation problem(im Brazilian,ya thats why the bad english) but when i checked the NA version of the book it still says proto-dragons So this was a Writing mistake? Lore mistake? Want some answers or someone to clarify all of this. Thanks for your time. EDIT: Forgot to add the part where it mentions http://imgur.com/a/3IXmRCallianna4 10h
10h I have to know! (Major Spoilers!) All right, so I can't afford Legion right now due to some sob story about the financial struggles of life that you likely don't want to hear about, so I will spare you! That said, I've tried very deliberately to avoid spoilers, and wouldn't you know it.. a half hour after Legion launches, I stumble across a cinematic. In particular, it's the cinematic involving Genn and Sylvanas. All right, let me start by saying I know exactly what she's up to, what with being familiar with her lore, but I know nothing of the details. Why Genn is there and why she is there is obvious, it's the how Sylvanas ended up there and what she had to do, yea? I'd love to know! So, for an easier to read list of questions I'll post them below in numerical order. 1.) Sylvanas seems to have a Val'kyr subdued, how did she manage that? Is what she's after the obvious answer, or is there something else going on? 2.) Random side question: Is Lor'themar Theron even remotely involved in any of the Horde quests? I know Blood Elves are a sort of love/hate standing on most forums, but ya like what ya like, yea? Thanks to anyone who can potentially answer my questions! I just can't take the suspense anymore. I'll be arriving late to the party and it'll be nigh impossible to avoid spoilers in-game after tonight anyway, I'm sure. Edit: I've got to head to bed before it gets much later, so I apologize for any late replies if any sort of discussion erupts from my inquiry. Thanks again!Atheran1 10h
10h Dragons and sleepy druids Are the most boring part of questing lore, imo. Dragons have always been doing dragon stuff, with their thousands of years of life, their 40 billion relatives, and their constant betrayal. Meanwhile, sleepy druids keep sleeping, and the ones that are awake need me to wake the sleepy ones up. Yawn. I am getting sleepy. However, demonic invasions? Saving towns from disaster? Killing worgen filth? The animosity between the alliance and the horde? Those are all great.Badjuicy0 10h
11h Back from WoD Break: Story Update? I saw everything up through Draenor except for the legion invasion patch. Did i miss anything critical? (a friend did give me the run down of the cinematic where Vol'jin and Varian Die.) Thanks for any updates!Friskyz1 11h
12h What Great Battles Has Sylvanas Won? I keep hearing that Sylvanas is a master strategist and a brilliant tactician when I play this game, so I'd like to know what great battles has she won convincingly so far? My memory is a little hazy.Malvared36 12h
13h Libraries of Azeroth So I wrote this as a potential post awhile ago, was scrolling through drafts of things and came across it. This is purely in the interest of celebrating Azeroth's lore (which I think, at it's heart, is competitive with or perhaps even superior to the likes of GoT and other heralded fantasy), but which is itself not intended as a competition or an anything. It's just something I made while adventuring! At any rate, I don't know how many of you possess an interest in the finer elements of Azeroth's history, but one of the ones that I enjoyed most is seeing the various libraries and their associated books strewn about Azeroth. I also made a really short summary for each one. 1. The Royal Library of Stormwind The Royal Library is one of the first libraries I encountered in Azeroth and is certainly one of the most famous. It has a number of important tomes and objects of interest, including classics such as "Beyond the Dark Portal, the Alliance of Lordaeron, and the Guardians of Tirisfal." The Royal Library is possibly the most opulent of the libraries, being well-lit as well as having space with tables and chairs for visitors. 2. The Athenaeum of Scarlet Monastery The Athenaeum is a rather large library, with multiple cases enclosing many rows of books on high shelves, as well as a large number of tables and rows for people to sit and read. However, the downside is it also has very little in the way of actual books to read, most of the books being unreadable, which is a trend that follows in many of the libraries on azeroth. Nevertheless the long hallways and other details make it a unique and interesting experience to visit. 3. The Athenaeum of Dire Maul The Athenaeum of Dire Maul (located in western Dire Maul), is a sprawling library with multiple floors and wide array of space between shelves and books. It also has a number of quest NPCs, which makes it probably the most quest heavy (not necessarily as pertains directly to the library, mind you) The Shendra'la provisioner is also here to supply you with the recipe for making a Mooncloth robe. 4. The Guardian's Library of Karazahn The guardian's library at Karazahn is easily the most grand of all the Libraries on Azeroth, it has a massive spiral construction that leads the entrant up and to ever higher levels, the ground levels being filled the largest number of books. It is however, easily the most hostile of all the libraries, you must come with an armed guard at least be a capable fighter yourself in order to successfully conquer the numerous spirits and denizens who will contest your presence. For the winner, however, goes a view of one of the grandest libraries in Azeroth. Shame, however, that like the Athenaeum's of Dire Maul and Scarlet Monastery, there few, if any, books to actually read. 5. The library at Ironforge Ah ha! This here is possibly my favorite library (tied with Stormwind), here we have numerous books to read, including famous ones such as the Arathor Troll Wars. Unlike other libraries, this library also has exhibits to older civlizations, the mysterious giant claw sitting on the pedastel is one of my favorites. Additionally, it has an interesting dome construction that lends the observer to a kind of open feeling. There are also a number of NPCs stationed at this library, being but a wing of the Hall of Explorers. As one of the most vibrant of all libraries on Azeroth, it is definitely worth a trip to explore and see all the ins and outs of it. The combination of having multiple sights to see, readable books, large and interesting infrastructure and building makes it one of the most interesting libraries on Azeroth. 6. Northshire Abbey Library and Tyr’s Hand Library The Northshire Abbey library is a very small library, located in southern portion of the Abbey, the library is more of the type you would find in an outpost, limited number of shelves and books, as well as places to read. However, it is also unique in that located in this Abbey it has a staircase that is of a unique construction. The Tyr’s Hand Library is very similar to the Northshire Abbey, in that it is quite small although it has even fewer shelves and is populated with Scarlet Warriors, so be very wary should you choose to visit this library! 7. The Archivum of Ulduar The Archivum of Library is unique on this list because it is arguably not a library per se, rather it reflects the Titan method of storing knowledge which is use these large consoles that housed the data in a combination of voice recorded and other forms. The interesting thing about the Archivum is that it is houses potentially a rather vast amount of knowledge, however, to date the only ones to actually access that knowledge are Brann Bronzebeard and his player assistants during the Siege of Ulduar. As a consequence, there is still to know about the exact knowledge, nevertheless it is certainly a repository of knowledge in the world of Azeroth, and worth visiting at least in the specific context of Brann accessing it himself.Alistreia0 13h
13h Legion Body Count List **SPOILERS** Hello comrades! Nobody is safe from the Legion's wrath, and a number of major lore characters are dying this expansion. The purpose of this list is to keep track of who falls at the hands of the Legion. This list will contain **SPOILERS**. I will do my best to encapsulate these so you only see what you want. Also, this will only go with only the live version of Legion on the US/NA side, as anything on the PTR can change! The list is organized as follows - Patch/Zone/Who/When/How Without further ado, let's count the bodies! Pre-Expansion Patch Broken Shore Varian WrynnDied at the end of the Broken Shore scenario Gul'dan overloaded him with fel energy, exploded Vol'jinDied after the Broken Shore scenario Stabbed, succumbed to fel poison Patch 7.0 (Legion Launch) Val'sharah YseraDied at the end of Val'sharah questline Corrupted by Xavius, killed by Tyrande and players Highmountain (Going through now) Stormheim Azsuna Other Areas Tirion Fordring Died in the Ashbringer Artifact questline Tortured by the Legion, died from injuries Body Count - 4 That's it for the list! This will be updated whenever I get a chance as I level and clear content through Legion! See you all out there on the Broken Isles!Decaiden18 13h
14h Tell me about Furbolgs Are they druidic or shamanistic? They have totems and some have shaman in the name so that would obviously appear to lean toward a shaman, but there are plenty of furbolg who worship Ursoc as well. Is there just a ton of overlap there? They seem to be in Druidic areas, and they don't seem to fit Blizzards whole Earthen Ring type Shaman. Are they shamanistic druids? What are their current standings with the Horde and Alliance? Are there any notable furbolg in lore or books?Unbeatabull2 14h
16h If Warlocks can do it can Priests do it too? So we have seen that Warlocks can control Demons and Turn them against the BL. Do you think Shadow Priests could do the same with OG minions vs the OGs? I wonder if at the end we can convince our Artifact Weapon to switch sides and join our fight vs the OGs.Biraelenn1 16h
18h ignore Xerub2 18h