Story Forum

Welcome: Please Read! Welcome to the Warcraft Story Forum! This forum is here as a means for players to discuss the storylines of the Warcraft universe, as told in-game and through the novels, manga, comics, and short stories that Blizzard publishes. Community forums work best when participants treat their fellow posters with respect and courtesy, so we ask that you take the time to read through the forum Code of Conduct ( and guidelines ( before posting. Important Reminders: Search The search function at the top of the World of Warcraft community site is extremely effective and robust. Before you create a new forum topic, please be use it to search for similar topics, blog posts, or web pages that may contain the answer for which you are looking. Making a new thread on an existing subject can result in your thread being deleted or, if you continue to re-post the same content, the loss of your forum privileges for spamming. Rating The forum rating system can be used to promote positive discussion, demote unhelpful comments, and even report posts that violate the forum Code of Conduct. By hovering over a post you'll be presented with several options, including a "thumbs up" (Like) and a "thumbs down" (Dislike) icon. Clicking the "thumbs up" icon will rate the post up. If enough people like a post, it will gain a Highly Rated status and appear at the top of related search results. Highly Rated posts will also have a highlighted background. Clicking the "thumbs down" icon will expand a drop-down menu which will include "Dislike," "Trolling, "Spam" and "Report" options. "Dislike" will rate the post down. If enough people dislike a post, it will be darkened, and with a lot of dislikes it will be hidden completely. You can also quickly report a post as trolling or spam, or use the report function to fill out a more comprehensive description of a violation. Please note that you can only rate each post once. Use your power wisely to help foster a positive and helpful forum community. While the community team will be moderating this forum as normal, members of the Creative Development team will also be monitoring discussions and looking for constructive feedback. Have fun posting on these forums, and good luck with your adventures in Azeroth! Lylirra1
Oct 26, 2010
Meet Creative Development What is Creative Development? Creative Development (CDev) is a "hub" within Blizzard, facilitating the development of ancillary products and services that tie into Blizzard's game universes. While there are several different divisions of CDev, this Warcraft Story forum focuses on the efforts of the Publishing division. What does Creative Development's Publishing division have to do with Warcraft's stories and lore? The Publishing division within Creative Development is the driving force behind every published story you've seen outside of the game: short stories, novels, comics, and manga. Who comprises the Publishing division of Creative Development? Publishing is made of two groups: Story Development: This group focuses on story idea creation, story outlining, and story development for licensed fiction, as well as for internally-written stories. Historians: This group is the repository for all Blizzard lore, providing counsel for the game development teams and the CDev Story Development group. What is the Publishing division's usual process for developing a story? Idea Generation & Outline Creation: Working with Chris Metzen and the designers on the respective game's development team, the Story Development team generates an idea and an outline for a story. The writer on the project is typically invited to our offices at this point in the project, so that they can be in on the ground floor of the story's creation. Story Development & Lore Checking: Over the course of the project, the Story Development team talks constantly with the writer, as well as with Chris Metzen and the game developers, in order to help hone the story into a Blizzard-quality tale. At the same time, our Historian team combs through the iterations of the story in order ensure that the story adheres to the universe's established canon. * Please note that the CDev Publishing division has only been fully staffed since early 2009, allowing for more resources and manpower to dedicate to each published product. What does the Publishing division hope to accomplish with this Warcraft Story forum? We'd like to give the community a chance to influence the development of our upcoming stories, so we're trying something new; this forum will serve as a direct line to our story developers. Please note that we're not looking for fully-formed stories - save those for the Global Writing Contest (which we operate and judge) - but rather we're looking for specific examples of what people like, don't like, and what they would like to see (story-wise) from us in the future. Lylirra0
Nov 9, 2010
Story Starter Guide Looking for more Warcraft information, but don't know where to start? Whether you've played Warcraft I, II, or III, these books will showcase the people and events that have shaped the Warcraft universe over the last few (in-game) decades: Rise of the Horde by Christie Golden - Set before the orcs invade Azeroth for the first time, this story explores what the orc race was like before its clans were forged into a single savage Horde under the influence of the demonic Burning Legion. Part of the novel focuses on the orc Orgrim Doomhammer and his childhood friend, Durotan (who would later become Thrall's father). Other parts of the story depict the aging shaman Ner'zhul; his ambitious apprentice, Gul'dan; the mighty Grommash Hellscream; the wise draenei leader, Velen; and several other significant characters. The Last Guardian by Jeff Grubb - This is a good introduction to older human history in Warcraft, with emphasis on the events of the First War (Warcraft I). Medivh, the Guardian of Tirisfal, decides to take on an apprentice: the young mage Khadgar. As time goes on, Khadgar learns that a half-orc named Garona is acting as a secret emissary to the nation of Stormwind. While he and Garona try to reach an understanding, Khadgar realizes that Medivh's behavior is growing increasingly erratic. Ultimately he and Sir Anduin Lothar, the childhood friend of both Medivh and King Llane Wrynn of Stormwind, reach a terrible realization: Medivh, an incredibly powerful wizard, is under the control of Sargeras, Destroyer of Worlds, creator of the demonic Burning Legion. This novel is also in print as part of the Warcraft Archive. Beyond the Dark Portal by Aaron Rosenberg and Christie Golden – Currently Out of Stock in Blizzard Store, but can be found on here: This is a good introduction to Alliance and Horde history during the events of Warcraft IIx. Instead of starting a new war, the shaman Ner'zhul has decided to open dimensional rifts from the orc homeworld of Draenor into fresh new worlds to conquer. Horrified at the possibility, Sir Lothar's former lieutenant, the human paladin Turalyon, leads an Alliance expedition into Draenor to stop Ner'zhul. With Turalyon are the mage Khadgar and the ranger Alleria Windrunner (the older sister of Sylvanas and Vereesa). Alleria and Turalyon began falling in love with one another in the Second War, but Alleria turned her back on Turalyon after the Horde invaded Quel'Thalas and killed many of her people. In the midst of battle on an alien world, can their relationship be mended? And can the Alliance expedition reach Ner'zhul in time to stop the Horde from bringing death and destruction into new worlds? Lord of the Clans by Christie Golden - This story depicts the life of Warchief Thrall, starting only a short while after Thrall was born. Raised among humans as a slave, Thrall became a master gladiator before deciding that he would escape his slavery. The story depicts Thrall's subsequent friendship with Grom Hellscream, as well as Thrall's journey to rejoin his clan and master the shamanic arts. When a disguised Warchief Orgrim Doomhammer provokes Thrall into a challenge to single combat, Thrall fights his first truly momentous battle: a fight whose consequences will change the course of history. This novel is also in print as part of the Warcraft Archive. Arthas: Rise of the Lich King by Christie Golden - This story explores the life and character of Prince Arthas Menethil leading up to the events of the Third War (Warcraft III) and Warcraft IIIx. As the plague of undeath ravaged Lordaeron, fear and desperation drove the prince to more ruthless measures until he had utterly lost his way. The story also explores the romance he shared with Lady Jaina Proudmoore, in addition to the unrequited love that the high elf prince, Kael'thas Sunstrider, bore for Jaina. The above stories are but the tip of the iceberg. Lylirra0
Nov 9, 2010
Read This Before You Post For whatever reason, this forum is seeing a massive influx of new posters. Whether it's due to the imminent launch of an expansion (and the tidal wave of lore accompanying it) or just a surge of passion, I feel like I need to reiterate some ground rules and common courtesies. 1). Be Objective! Do not come into this forum and make threads that begin with "So and so is such a terrible character" or loaded questions with heavy bias, i.e. "Why is the Horde so evil?" Doing so is just going to incite other posters an inevitably turn the thread into a flame war. On certain occasions this can also be grounds for disciplinary action. Play nice and keep an open mind. We're here to discuss story elements, not argue over opinions. Try to think like a writer. This is especially true for highly controversial topics like the Forsaken. 2). This Forum Is Not For Fan-Made Fiction! Despite what the name may imply, the Story Forum is not for sharing or discussing fan-made material. It is for discussing officially sanctioned lore/stories only. In short, if it doesn't have a Blizzard logo, it doesn't belong here. That doesn't mean you're forbidden from linking any fiction you may have written (it can be useful in explaining your position on a topic, for instance) or posting the odd paragraph; however, copying large amounts of text or creating threads specifically for any fiction you've written will be deleted or moved. If you want to discuss your own material please take it to the fine folks at the World's End Tavern Forum (otherwise known as the RP forum): 3). If You Have A Question, Chances Are Someone Else Has Already Asked It World of Warcraft has a lot of content, and the expanded universe of Warcraft as a whole has even more. However, there are several very popular topics that get addressed again and again. Before you create a new thread please check through the past few pages to see if there's already an existing thread on your topic. Not only does this keep the forum nice and tidy but it benefits you as well. Long threads tend to already have a very healthy discussion of its topic, and you may find through reading it that your particular insight has already been brought up, discussed, and concluded. If not, it's always better to stimulate an existing discussion than to try and start a new one from scratch. Don't worry, those of us who frequent this forum do carefully read each others posts. You don't need to start a new thread to draw attention. Furthermore, the regulars of this forum get very sick of answering the same questions all day long. I know the Search function hasn't always been the kindest tool, but again please take a few moments to quickly browse through the first few pages. 4). We Are Not Your Personal Encyclopedia On that note, this is not a Q&A forum. Think of it like a book club. You wouldn't show up to your group meeting and then start asking everyone what happened in the last chapter. You're expected to do your own research before coming here and opening topics for discussion. If you're looking for some direction there are many very helpful resources at your disposal: The Story Starter Guide, a sticky at the top of this forum. It includes information and links to out-of-game novels that are a great investment if you're interested in the lore of Warcraft: WoWPedia (formally WoWWiki), a crowd-sourced wiki on nearly everything you could possibly want to know about the Warcraft universe. A superb first-stop and excellent reference material for discussions: TvTropes, while not specific to Warcraft or Blizzard, is a great way to familiarize yourself with various writing or storytelling techniques. Potentially confusing points in the story of Warcraft can seem much more approachable when you realize it's all just part of a larger plan, and many posters on this forum like to reference popular tropes. Be warned, this website will devour countless hours of your time: That said, if there's something that's notably vague or unclear, by all means bring it up! Just avoid questions that can be solved easier and quicker with a search engine than a forum post. 5). Back Up What You Have To Say Be clear and concise with what you're trying to say and provide as much source material as is helpful. The more information you provide, the easier it will be for others to understand and respond to what you are trying to say. This is especially true for potentially obscure in-game quests. 6). This Is A Warcraft Forum Blizzard has many successful franchises with many rich, engaging stories. However, this is a Warcraft forum. Any threads pertaining to Starcraft, Diablo, or any other Blizzard product aren't allowed. Each of those games has their own forums specifically dedicated for their own lore. The Starcraft lore forum can be found here: Diablo lore can be discussed on the Legacy forum here: 7). Have Fun! This forum enjoys a very close relationship with its posters. Everyone here loves the work that Blizzard does, and on some level yearns to make it better. So be respectful to your fellow posters and don't make inflammatory attacks against Blizzard or members of its staff. This forum has a rather unique dynamic that is much... healthier than other forums, so don't come in here with a poisonous attitude. New ideas or insights are always welcome, as are humor and witty banter. Engage in topics that you find really exciting, but don't openly scoff at those that don't. Don't be afraid to change your mind. The past, present, and future are all fair game. Just be mindful of the rules and common courtesies, and above all else, have fun geeking out. Oh, and the Like and Dislike buttons exist for a reason! Odok105
Dec 29
On Sale Now! World of Warcraft: Chronicle I'm sure you've seen this by now, but I wanted to make sure since there is so much juicy info in this first volume to sink your teeth into. ... You can read the full blog post and watch the video with Chris Metzen (among others) talk about it here. For those that have it already, we'd love to hear how you're enjoying it. Nethaera18
Apr 18
World of Warcraft: Traveler Book Series Coming soon! We’re pleased to announce a new collaboration with Scholastic, the world’s largest publisher and distributor of children’s books on a new book series for kids ages 8-12 —World of Warcraft: Traveler! Read the blog post (which includes introductory video) here. Nethaera7
Apr 18
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My favorite Xal'atath lore quotes A few have made this thread already, but I couldn't find it so here's my version. All the quotes haven't been finished yet, but here are many: I know the naaru consider us horrors to be resisted. We do not share this view. They are merely beloved brethren that lost the true path. They will return to their masters... in time. (in Netherlight Temple) To see Yogg-Saron's nightmare in full bloom fills me with jealousy... and some pride. (in Val'sharah) The God of the Deep writhes in his prison, breaking free ever so slowly. You should hurry and defeat the fallen titan... there are greater battles yet to fight. It is possible N'Zoth may be responsible for her form, but her arrogance is all her own. (at Lady Hatecoil) The Legion burrows deep here. If they burrow deeper, they may not like what they find. (in Azsuna) Another nameless servant of Sargeras pretending to Aid these elves. Little do they know their fate. Odyn's arrogance proved his undoing. You should ask him if he's considered Loken's final words to him. Go ahead. The Tauren here are remarkably resilient to corruption...considering their origin... I remember the dark irons fondly. Modgud was so easy to corrupt in her fury. Imagine how hot it burned when I abandoned her to the Wildhammer. A powerful dragon can be a powerful tool. Alas gone are the days of galakrond. Do the Naaru talk of their servants that came before the Draenei? No? Aahahahah! Lightisright40
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What is beneath Tirisfal Glades? So, as most of you might know, Blizzard has confirmed that there is indeed something undiscovered beneath the land of Tirisfal Glades. For those who don't know what I'm referring to, here is a paragraph detailing it: After being exiled by Malfurion Stormrage for refusing to give up magic, the surviving highborne, led by Dath'Remar, left Kalimdor behind them and challenged the storms of the Maelstrom. Their fleets wandered the wreckage of the world for many long years, until they eventually found land across the sea. Dath'Remar, who already had the name Sunstrider (or "he who walks the day"), sought out places of considerable ley power upon which to build a new homeland for his people. His fleet finally landed on the beaches of the kingdom men would later call Lordaeron. Forging inland, the high elves founded a settlement within the tranquil Tirisfal Glades. After a few years, many of them began to go mad. It was theorized that something evil slept beneath that particular part of the world, but the rumors were never proven to be true. The high elves packed up their encampment and moved northward towards another land rich with ley energies. This has drawn a lot of attention to the matter of what exactly is this referring to. Many claim it to be an Old God, though this was debunked by Blizzard themselves who said it is not. It could very well be a Titan, and some have speculated that it is indeed the missing Titanic watcher Tyr (Tirisfal = Tyr's Fall). I know this has been discussed before, but I mostly find old topics. I want to bring it up for discussion simply because I am curious as to what you all think now, what you believe this unknown enigma to be, whether a Titanic watcher or not. Me personally, I think it's not so much a living thing as it is an object. It could be an incredibly powerful magical artifact buried deep beneath the ground and because the High Elves are extremely in tune with magic, it could explain why only they were driven mad by it. (Humans didn't learn magic until the High Elves taught them long after this event). Maybe it was an artifact constructed by the Titans, but something went horribly wrong and so they sought to bury it, hoping to keep it contained in the earth for all time? If so, I like to think it would make for an awesome expansion. A magical artifact surfaces and consumes most of Tirisfal Glades, maybe a new foe emerges from this event to either conquer Azeroth or to claim the artifact. What do you all think? Edit@ I forgot to mention the Whispering Forest's "mysterious faerie circle". For those who don't know, there is an area to the west of Deathknell, which can be reached with a flying mount, is a area called The Whispering Forest. Inside this place you'll find two interesting things. One is a seemingly random circle of mushrooms, however, if you stick around, you'll notice an amazing thing. Read this: "Near the center of the forest is a mysterious ring of giant mushrooms, glowing with some sort of strange energy. A cloud of mist hovers over the circle, and the circle sits, glowing and otherwise unremarkable for hours on end. But every now and again, the faerie dragons - Fey-Drunk Darters - begin to appear, one by one, and fly erratically in the general area of the mushroom ring. Over time seven of them will fade in, and at some point all seven darters seem to come to some forgone conclusion and they converge on the ring. The Fey-Drunk Darters begin to sing. As they sing, beams of light shine from each darter, converging on the center of the mushroom ring. The other animals of the glen come to watch, curious about the lights and sounds no doubt, and just as suddenly as the mysterious ritual starts, it stops. The darters slowly fly away and fade out to wherever they happened to come from, and the stags, does, and fawns wander off. Hours later, the event begins again." Could this be connected to whatever it is that lurks beneath Tirisfal Glades? Maybe.. Also, to a lesser extent, you can find a lake on the edge of the Whispering Forest with a small island, and on it, you'll find a skeleton beside some fishing gear. He happens to have a sword lodged in his boney !@#, seemingly murdered. My speculation is that what if there is an unknown faction controlling the circle, seeking to access the buried Titan artifact, and this poor fisherman happened to find a nice spot to fish which was too close for these unknown individuals's liking. They didn't want him finding the circle, and expose their plans, so they killed him while he fished. Just my crazy theory. I think it sounds good at least. Snoozey21
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Warcraft Elimination Game: The Dank Beyond For anyone that is new to this type of thread, you can heal one contestant each turn and damage another. The thread finishes whenever only one person remains. Here is an example: Training Dummy #1 - 5 Training Dummy #2 - 5 Heal Training Dummy #1, Hurt Training Dummy #2. Training Dummy #1 - 6 Training Dummy #2 - 4 Now, because of the fact that this thread is going to be dealing with the cosmic forces of the World of Warcraft there will be less contestants in total, but they'll all have more health to start with. Also, no contestants can be added at any point during the game. Other than that, the rules for this round of the game will be exactly like they are for the normal version of it. Here they are: 1) Everyone starts at 15 health, however, if I feel the game is moving too slowly I will decrease everybody's health bar by 2 unless it puts someone at 1 or kills them. 2) To prevent fanboyism, you can only post once per page. In the case that the game moves slow, if it has been 4 hours since your last post on the page, you can post again, knowing that it resets your 4 hour timer. Furthermore, if you happen to be last on the current page, you cannot be first on the next page unless your 4 hours runs out. 3) Once the final 4 is hit, there will be a 40 cap imposed on all characters. Simply meaning, you cannot heal anyone past 40. 4) If I or anyone suspects anyone else of using alts, they can check it by using the ignore feature. If it comes up with other posters on the same page, you're banned from the game. Any further posts you make will be cast aside. All the people you healed will be hurt, and vice versa. Any faction you spammed hurt on in this fashion may be brought back depending on how fast people caught it. 5) If you see an error in the score, correct it. Be specific at where you found it so others can see it as well. 6) Please refrain from clogging up the pages with discussion. Contestants: Aggramar - 15 Aman'Thul - 15 Eonar - 15 Golganneth - 15 Khaz'goroth - 15 Norgannon - 15 Sargeras - 15 The Void Lords - 15 The Naaru - 15 C'thun - 15 Yogg'saron - 15 Y'Shaarj - 15 N'zoth - 15 Elune -15 Nincaro191
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Horde response to Alliance Blood Elf Threads So, there are 6 high elves in the mage hall apparently. And I've seen at least one poster suggest that the existence of high elves is cause for a new living Lordaeron faction. Plus with the new expansion coming some new blood is going to find its way to this forum. Really, the next thread asking that high elves be a playable race for the Alliance is already on the way. So I just figured I'd get a jump on things. The next time someone suggests they "make Blood Elves a neutral option" based on that political divide, can the Horde ask for something really cool at the same time? They always try to suggest we take ogres for the sake of nostalgia or draenei because what we need are holier-than-thou goat men to ostentatiously forgive us, but can we focus on really unusual and interesting options? Preferably ones that will be as disrespectful of Alliance players as High Elves are disrespectful of Horde. Here are some suggestions. The Syndicate, or if you prefer, the Kingdom of Alterac. Handing another of the 7 human kingdoms over to the Horde, not just in practice, but in playable name is bound to explode at least one head on the blue side. And Alterac really is the anti-Stormwind. Stormwind is a brave city of heroes, Alterac is a city of schemers. Stormwind defended the kingdoms of man until their last breath. Alterac sold out every other kingdom in the grand Alliance. Stormwind, when all people thought it was destroyed, built itself back up to become a great power. Alterac, when all people thought it was destroyed, killed Stromgarde. Kul Tiras. Where as Alterac makes sense, is a delightful callback to Warcraft 2, and would only anger a few on the side of the Alliance. Kul Tiras, as a member of the Horde, would shock, awe, and astound all who hear it. Just listening to it, Horde Kul Tiras, fills me with all manner of confused expectation. How did that happen? Why did that happen? What about Jaina? What does this mean for Kul Tiras and for the future of humanity? All good questions, and they've got two starter zones to answer them! If this seems too mean, remember, they're going to ask that the Blood Elf story be split when they already get their themes stolen by the Kirin Tor. And they're going to suggest that the Blood Elves be turned into the villain of some high elf melodrama. So Horde Kul Tiras. Why not! The Dark Iron Dwarves. Teased in Dun Morogh when the player character fights off a Dark Iron invasion and Moira is left shocked and terrified. Clearly some in the Dark Irons don't think Moira Bronzebeard-Thaurissian is dark enough, iron enough, or even dwarf enough to lead their great mountain. For them, the Horde can offer protection, the world's leading experts on not getting enslaved by fire elementals and hell, we'll even clean out the Blackrock orcs at no additional charge. Naga. I know, they don't look good on mounts, I know, they don't look good in pants. They're also easily the second most requested race that ever gets mentioned. That's why it's so perfect! Hot snake ladies and hulking snake behemoths with bad attitudes. A perfect addition to the Horde. Drakonid. The dragonflights are dying, their legacy should be carried on, so why not carry on that legacy by handing that story over to the faction that once enslaved them! These humanoid lizard people will opine about how heavy the burden is bestowed upon them by the great flights to be their mortal descendants and carry on their duties. And then they're going to pick up their huge two-handed pole-arms and slaughter some Alliance in WSG. Anyway, those are just my ideas, the game here is to come up with a race that the Alliance will really want, will steal Alliance themes, or cause certain Alliance players to say, "they'd never work for vermin like the Horde." We want to have a big long list of 'suggestions' the next time someone asks for playable High Elves. Gibbet121
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What exactly is the lich king now? So i am really interested in a few things about the lich king, Is it just bad writing or is the character really that strange and mysterious? For example, when the lich king and arthas merged the lore stated that arthas took control fully, but if you look at the wowpedia page it states it as "almost fully" implying he didnt fully kill nerzhul. It also implies that when arthas took full control that rather than snuffing out nerzhul they just became one and the same. nerzhul was arthas and arthas was nerzhul they no longer shared control. Which may of been a mistake on arthas's part. The weird thing is that the wowpedia states nerzhuls death at the hands of adventurers and heros and not by the hands of arthas. So to me this is implying that nerzhul was indeed still alive after arthas took control and he only was finished after the helm fell off arthas. but the weird thing is why, at the end of the fall of the lich king cinematic does foredragon get nerzhuls voice? Was this a mistake? WARNING THE FOLLOWING IS SPOILERS TO LEGION BE CAREFUL BRO. Also in legion we still see the new lich king and he STILL has nerzhuls voice, We see him contradicting himself and some of his decisions in some quests. He is still evil yet he kills a death knight for being "evil" and kills a paladin for forsaking the light. or rather gives you the task to do so. So given the fact that nerzhul was made near immortal its hard to believe he's truly dead it feels almost cheap to kill his puppet and that kills him. shouldnt some cleansing be done on the helm? Anyways with bolvar the lich king it really does seem like nerzhul is still alive and is almost trying to take back control or something. There is still the threat of kel'thuzad as every source i can find states his status as unknown and not "dead". Hell even devs have confirmed he is still out there somewhere. So my personal take on this is i feel like maybe they should make a wrath of the lich king 2, with nerzhul the lich king as the final boss, and he would basically he would take full control of bolvar and learn to live with out a host, he would take on his wc3 form basically. The plot could also maybe involve slyvannas attempting to take the helm for herself (you know, maybe as a pre-expansion plot point that sets off the expansions chain of events?) Who knows but honestly it seemed like blizzard really played it safe with the lich king and decided to keep him around rather than kill him off for good. Xanthine21
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Lets assume Varian dies, whose High King? Before you say Anduin, he is only going to around 17-18. I think it is highly unlikely that he would be elevated to that position during a legion invasion. King of Stormwind doesn't automatically equal High King of the Alliance. I'm not 100% sure, but after Varian went missing, I'm pretty sure Magni was actually the High King. Also, serious stuff is supposed to go down between the Horde and Alliance, which doesn't seem possible with Anduin in charge. Magni is way too stoned right now (kek) and ironforge is ruled by a council. Velen isn't mentioned as a major character. Tyrande is a strong possibility given the ties to the legion and the Night Elves expanded role, but she isn't mentioned as a major character either. I'm thinking there is a an off chance that it might be Grenn Greymane. If mutual stupidity causes both sides to blame each other for the initial failures, it makes sense the Alliance would rally around the person with the most bad blood with the horde. It would also illustrate to players that there is absolutely no hope for the Alliance and Horde working together, which is where the class halls come in as alternate power structures to fight the legion. It would also explain why the Worgen are apparently going to be such a major part of a legion expansion, despite having no previous ties to them. If the king of Gilneas is the high king, then it only makes sense that they would be leading the charge. Genn is also old enough so that by the time he dies, Anduin would be ready to take charge. I think it is kind of ridiculous to think Anduin would be the one leading the Alliance during the legion invasion. Even if he takes over later in the expansion, it would give him a little room to breath and mourn, before being thrust to the front of that prophesied army of light. Varmreft99
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Story Idea for future Expac I'm just going to start by saying this was a random idea I had while wandering around the older content and if someone has already posted something like it then I apologize, I didn't find anything like it while searching the forums but I'm not sure if I was searching for the right stuff. Also if this isn't the right section for story ideas then just point me in the right direction and I will happily delete this and be on my merry way. I recently went back and cleared ICC for nostalgia's sake and while I was watching the final cut scene for the hundredth time it occurred to me that since Bolvar is the current Lich King and the "Jailer of the damned" and he refuses to let Tirion carry the burden of Lich King. He theoretically could be considered invested in the mortal races continuing to exist, the mortal races have a huge potential ally that they could call on. So I was thinking it would be pretty awesome and tie into the old story fairly well if in an upcoming expansion we had to go up against sargeras or one of the old gods or something big. But, we find at the end of the first tier of raiding that we can't take on the forces on our own, even with the horde and the allies together. The first tier or raids could end with us defeating a minor baddie and then one of the majors shows up and we have to be teleported out by Kadhgar or Medihv(or Jaina). And then Tirion could suggest we petition Bolvar for aid since he was the only npc that was present at the top of the tower when we defeated Arthas. The second tier of raids would be going back to an ICC. With a different layout, play this off by saying we can't use the entrance we did last time cause it was sealed by the kirin tor or something, and fighting our way to the top of the tower to reawaken Bolvar to plead our case. This assumes that Bolvar wouldn't be looking in on what was happening directly and would more be managing the undead and keeping them in check in the broader sense. I'm not really clear on if the Lich King lore outlines what state Bolvar is currently in. If he was watching and actively working against us he could be the final boss of the raid and when we beat him it knocks some sense into him, I didn't thing through the details on that part. The devs could use it as an opportunity to throw in some pseudo boss fights that feature the bosses we went up against the first time we climbed the tower. I don't think recycling content would go over well but just throwing festergut and rotface in (think precious and stinky) would be a nice little nod to the old school expacs. Or, if there was some cross over so it wouldn't be bosses we defeated in ICC but the ones we fought in Naxx and Uld that were now inhabiting the citadel instead. I haven't really thought it through all that much it was just an idea I had while playing through the older content. Let me know what you think, if it would even remotely fit into what the lore states, or if you have any ideas for expanding on this base then I'd love to hear them. Thanks Tenragan4
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