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Jan 25, 2014 So long and thanks for all the... Um. Well, I'm out. My subscription expires about 18 hours from now, and I realized that I'm really not playing enough to justify continuing to pay for it. I'd say it's been fun here on the Story Forum, but well, it really hasn't. Not for a long time. The Alliance vs. Horde bickering, the extreme partisanship, the burning hatred for everything Blizzard does, the incessant whining and complaining, and the way some people manage to twist every single lore tidbit and developer statement in the worst way possible just to support their fury has basically killed most of the fun discussions that used to be had here. Falrinn, Rothiron, Trook, and others I'm sure I'm forgetting, you guys keep on rocking it and keeping things awesome around here. The rest of you, especially those of you whose posts are consistently filled with anger, venom, and hatred at Blizzard... For your own sakes, at least try and take a step back and just enjoy the big picture rather than focusing on how everything that isn't exactly what you want is a personal attack on you and your favorite faction/race/class/character. I can almost guarantee you'll enjoy the story much better taken as a whole rather than carving it up into little chunks and then complaining that not every piece is equal. And if you can't do that, think about whether it's really worth it to keep paying to post nothing but vitriol about something you clearly haven't been enjoying for awhile. I'll definitely be resubbing for the expansion, but I honestly can't say yet whether or not I'll be posting here again. If nothing else, I'm sure I'll enjoy not having every story development spoiled as soon as it hits the PTR.Vegdrasil26 Jan 25, 2014
Jan 25, 2014 The inevitable Sylvanas Raid According to a Blizzard Sylvanas is doing crafty things and the spotlight will eventually be on her... She also has shown rebelliousness against Vol'jin. With all these things in mind it's almost a certainty that she'll become a Raid Boss. Now what bosses would such a Raid require.....? Here's my ideas: 1: Vereesa: If her opinions on the Blood Elves isn't changed by WoD then her desire for vengeance could cause trouble and make her an unnecessary distraction from our attempt to remove Sylvanas. 2: Jaina: the least likely Alliance boss to appear in the raid in my opinion even if Vereesa is the most likely yet she does seem obssessed with dismantling the Horde. 3: Forsaken created monster: We need at least one.... 4: Royal Apothecary Society: Council boss fight. 5: Master Apothecary Lydon: For game mechanics it's best to seperate him from his colleages in my opinion 6: Master Apothecary Faranell: He's the head of the Royal Apothecary Society and we need alot of Raid bosses 7: Nathanos Marris: He Sylvanas's champion! 8: Koltira: Sylvanas did say she was going to purge him of compassion... 9: Valkyr leaders: Sylvanas's greatest allies... 10: Lianne Menethil: If she's reanimated... 11: Baron Rivendare: If Kel'thuzad shows up. Speaking of which..... 12: Kel'thuzad: Most likely be Sylvanas's enemy yet would still serve as a good raid boss and could serve to turn Jaina evil. 13: Sylvanas: She's the villain of the Raid... 14: Sylvanas's allies underneath the Undercity: She mentions them to Koltira. 15: Ruler of the World of the Dead/Darkness/Hell/Realm of Shadows: We need at least 15 bosses don't we?Yvenathilm270 Jan 25, 2014
Jan 25, 2014 Anduin in WoD We've already seen that Anduin is an incredibly powerful priest, but he is still not ready to lead the army of light in Velen's vision. He developed a lot of understanding during MoP but he is still. It ready to lead the army of light. What if Anduin and Yrel, that draenei chic from blizzcon, get together and she teaches him how to wield the light as a leader. There could also be some romance or something. Just a thought, as Anduin is a pretty lacklustre character at the moment.Aamyra46 Jan 25, 2014
Jan 25, 2014 Faster delivery o short story in the future ... Well this is good to know. I guess people were right and the Tiller and Celestial stories were added relatively late(hence the note on the "Over Water" short story being the last for Pandaria). Regardless of your feeling about the lore most of the short stories are nice and fun read.Zerde8 Jan 25, 2014
Jan 24, 2014 Rogues of special note other than garrona are there any other assassin/rogue stealth mercenary type characters within the lore of WoW?Crickette18 Jan 24, 2014
Jan 24, 2014 Concerning Night Elves, the results are in. I've always stated that my personal observation of commenting trends and results of questions have supported the idea that very few people are satisfied with Blizzard's current vision for the Night Elves. Of course, personal observations do not necessarily constitute data. MMO Champion has taken the first step in resolving that little problem. Behold, I have a poll: (NOTE: The percentages here are reported as the ones that prevailed when I cited the poll. I claim no responsibility for future shifts.) .... and the results are rather striking. 69.19% favor the Night Elves' portrayal in Warcraft III over their presentation in World of Warcraft. An additional 4.04% said "only up to Cataclysm" with 7.58% and 9.6% either claiming to hate Night Elves in general, and claiming not to care, respectively. Just 9.58% like the Night Elves, either in all of their portrayals (8.59%) or from Cataclysm onward (1.01%). For a bit of contrast, congressional job approval is at 13% according to the latest Gallup poll ( Which is to say, according to this poll: Warcraft fans rate Blizzard's handling of the Night Elves less favorably than Americans view congress. True, congress has been as low as 9% before, but is this really who Blizzard wants to be competing against? This is a roughly 200 person poll. It's not about to shake the foundations of Warcraft as we know it, but it is the first decent sized poll on this topic, and the message it sends is clear. The question I have now is: what do you believe Blizzard should do about it?Kyalin128 Jan 24, 2014
Jan 24, 2014 Need help with Warcraft Comics I love warcraft lore, I watched every video of Nobbel87 but I need more. I would like to know where I can find Warcraft Comics on paper, because I love read on paper more than PDF, and I want to know what comic I must start with if I want to read everything chronologically. If there is only PDF format I would like to know where I can buy those. Thanks for your help :)Norgenheim3 Jan 24, 2014
Jan 24, 2014 Blood elves and the horde Even after the events leading up to the purge of the dalaran and the stealing of the Dark Animus I still don't feel like we belong anymore in the horde than in the alliance. I am confused why we didn't pick up warcraft 3 blood elves instead of picking up rehashed high elves. No matter how you look at it we don't belong in the horde. Two humans were mean to us so we have forgotten all the horde has done and decided to join them. I am not asking to switch sides I am however asking to throw away this high elf ideology and go back to blood elven roots. Blood elves died with the re-ignition of the sunwell and with their king.Kaelgos163 Jan 24, 2014
Jan 24, 2014 Blood of the Highborne - Spoilers Credit goes to Nazja from Scrolls of Lore for translating the German version. No idea when the American version will be released. Chapter 1 Liadrin, her apprentice Galell and Dar'khan wake up, hanging upside down, in a troll sacrificial chamber. They had been on their way to fix a malfunctioning Runestone, with a mall escort of archers. She could have asked for a larger escort, but she didn't do so because the trolls hadn't attacked in a while. They start arguing about how useful the others were during the attack, with Dar'khan calling priests unsuited for combat and Liadrin telling him that he'll be grateful for their powers when he's dying on the battlefield. She also tells both of her companions to remain quiet so they won't attract the trolls' attention because they'll put them to sleep again. Whatever put them to sleep also seems to have made them unable to concentrate, so they can't cast spells. (Liadrin seems to be very faithful, talking about the Light's splendor and things like that.) Two trolls enter with Lor'themar in tow and hang him in the middle of the chamber. Liadrin muses about having more reasons to hate trolls than other elves because they killed her parents. A witchdoctor enters and prepares the fumes that'll put them to sleep. He magically creates fire by saying Dazdooga, which might mean fire. The three trolls exit, not wanting to fall asleep too. Lor'themar introduces himself and tells them that, if he manages to free himself, he won't leave anyone behind. The others agree, but Dar'khan seems somewhat less enthusiastic. They fall asleep and Liadrin has hallucinations in which Dar'khan turns up as an undead elf, Lor'themar is burned alive and Galell dies. The whole time, tiki masks tell her that they've been found guilty. Liadrin wakes up and sees three trolls, who were the ones chanting about the elves being guilty. One of them, she presumes, is Zul'jin. He tells them that the trolls are like a nightmare that won't go away, and that, since they won't go away, they'll fight to the last toll. He wants to find out how to damage the Runestones, so he can get rid of the Sunwell and weaken the elves. He was, therefore, not responsible for the Runestone not working, like she had feared. To do so, he plans to kill Lor'themar, knowing that he won't say anything, so the others start talking. Galell frees himself and kills one of Zul'jin's friends with a spear, but not before Lor has gone through Zul'jin's ministrations... Liadrin manges to save Galell from Zul'jin by making the troll feel all the pain she had felt in the last hours. She tries to heal Lor, but her connection to the Light seems to be fading, and the more desperate she tries to use the Light the more it fades. Zul'jin fakes still being under her spell's effects and manages to grab Dalell. Liadrin feels a pull, which I thought meant that Dar'khan was using them to cast magic, but he just managed to concentrate, and the pull was him teleporting them. Zul'jin is obviously not amused, but what can he do? Chapter 2 - Part 1. Liadrin are at the Suntower, a location to the north of Silvermoon but south of Quel'Danas. (Probably in the 1-5 zone.) The reader gets told about the importance of the Sunwell, the fact that the high elves' ancesotrs had to leave Ashenvale because of their predisposition towards the arcane and that Liadrin can feel and see the Sunwell's light even at this distance. Liadrin starts remembering the ceremony where Sylvanas elevated Lor'Themar to Alar'annalas, which means Ranger Lord, and gave him the ceremonial Fora'nal cloth, which seems to be worn as a cape. Sylvanas ends he speech with "belono sil'aru, belore'dorei", which means "shoulder your burdens well, child of the sun"". Ladrin's mentor and the one who raised her, Highpriest Vandellor, wouldn't mind her hooking up with Lor'themar and his friend, Grandmaster Belo'vir tells him to stop trying to get her to date just because he never had any interest in doing so himself. Liadrin thinks that they act like an old married couple, that never fails to make her laugh. Anasterian appears to congratulate the new Ranger Lord, and he seems content, despite his waning health. Anyways, he disappears as soon as he finished congratulatign Lor, together with his advisors. They seem to have brought bad news because he seems preocupied, now. This isn't the first time she was able to see how Lor'themar rose amongst the ranks. She and the other members were there, when Lor'themar was amde Ranger Captain. This ceremony is special, though, just like Lor'themar. During the Second War, a conflict they didn't want to get involved in, he fought valiantly against the Horde, which Zul'jin had joined. The Horde somehow managed to control red dragons and the diabolical orc necromancers managed to make the Runestones harmless and to harness their energies. Despite all this, the Horde was still unable to break the magical shield, maintained with the Sunwell's power, that surrounded Silvermoon. When the Horde left Quel'thalas, to strike against Lordaeron, Sylvanas remained in Quel'thalas while Alleria and Lor'themar pursued the orcs, with the Alliance. The trolls, and some orcs who had been cut of from the main group by the fire, remained, and Anasterian, seeing a chance to rid himself of the trolls forever, sent mages and priests to help the Farstriders get rid of them. Liadrin was in Halduron's group and they came across Zul'jin, whose small band of fighters had been unable to reach the shore, and safety, due to the fire. The elves moved his companions down, captured him and beat him the whole day because he'd been responsible for the death's of many relatives of theirs. When the night set, one of the elves stabbed him in the eye, and Liadrin went to talk with Halduron so he'd stop the needless torture. If Zul'jin has to die, he should just kill him. Halduron tells her that the decision is not in his hands, and while she's thinking about the fact that he seems to have other reasons besides this one, he gets hit by a troll spear. A small group of Amani reinforcements managed to cross the lake. The elves dispatch the trolls, but when they return to the ruins where Zul'jin had been held captive, the spear, that had hit Halduron, had disappeared as had most of Zul'jin's body. Only his arm and the chains remained. This act made him even more legendary, amongst the trolls, and in the years to come, all trolls, especially the Amani, would cry "for Zul'jin". He disappeared soon afterwards, though, and hasn't been seen in the last 10 years.Gethrian82 Jan 24, 2014
Jan 24, 2014 Dawn of the Aspects - Paperback Exclusive Dawn of the Aspects paperback is coming this November! We’re happy to be able to share an excerpt from "Charge of the Aspects" which is included in the paperback version. Pre-orders now available from Amazon and Barnes & Noble. ____________________________________________________________________________ World of Warcraft: Dawn of the Aspects Charge of the Aspects Excerpt I have murdered one of my own. The thought hit Nozdormu the Timeless One the instant he saw the desiccated bronze dragon. Zirion had shriveled into a husk half his original size. Lesions covered his body from head to tail. Instead of blood, golden sand cascaded out of the wounds in unending streams upon which shimmered ghostly images of his life that had not yet come to pass. His future was bleeding out of him. Nozdormu strode across one of the isolated peaks of Mount Hyjal to stand by Zirion's side, every moment of history rippling over the Timeless One's sun-colored scales. As he loomed over the dying dragon, a wave of helplessness flooded through him. An impenetrable veil had descended on the timeways, one that not even he, the Aspect of the bronze dragonflight and the Guardian of Time, could pierce. The past and future—things he had once seen with clarity—had become muddled. "Where are the othersss?" Nozdormu craned his great neck toward Tick, who stood nearby. The loyal dragon had transported Zirion on her back from the bronze flight's lair in the Caverns of Time with all due speed, a feat possible only because of her passenger's withered state. Tick's breaths were still labored from the ordeal. "He returned alone." "How can that be?" Nozdormu growled in frustration. "Twelve I dispatched into the past. Twelve!" He had tasked his agents with investigating the unsettling condition of the timeways, but now he couldn't shake the feeling that he had merely consigned them to their deaths. Upon returning to the present, the dragons were supposed to have met the Timeless One atop Hyjal precisely at midday. It was well past noon when Tick, whom he had not sent into the timeways, had arrived, bearing Zirion. "What did you sssee, Zirion?" Nozdormu asked as he began weaving spells to reverse the sands of time escaping from the other dragon. "I fear he has lost the strength to speak," Tick put in. The Timeless One barely heard her. The impossible was happening: his magic was having no effect. His actions had been predicted and countered by equally powerful spellwork. There was only one being in existence who possessed the foresight and skill to best the bronze Aspect in the realm of time... "When he first returned from the timeways," Tick continued hesitantly, "he recounted what he saw. No matter where he and the others attempted to journey in history, they always emerged at the same point in the future... the Hour of Twilight." Nozdormu lowered his head and clenched his eyes shut. It was as he had feared. The strands of time had been gathered and pulled toward the apocalypse. In that gray and lifeless future, even the Timeless One would meet his end. That, at least, was what he believed. Ages ago, when the titan Aman'Thul had imbued him with his mastery over time, Nozdormu had also gained knowledge of his own demise. "Who was responsible for hisss wounds?" The Timeless One knew the answer, but he hoped more than anything that he was wrong... that what he had seen was an anomaly. "It was the infinite dragonflight and its... leader." Tick averted her eyes from Nozdormu. I have murdered one of my own. The damning words echoed in the Aspect's head. He had once thought the infinite flight was merely a symptom of an errant timeline. Yet, as inconceivable as it seemed, he had learned that he and his bronze dragons would in the future abandon their sacred charge—protecting the integrity of time—and work to subvert it. Nozdormu mulled over the events of the past weeks, struggling to control his anger. He had been trapped in the timeways until recently, when the mortal Thrall had reminded him of the First Lesson: that living in the moment was far more important than dwelling on the past or future. The bronze Aspect had emerged from his captivity with a newfound understanding of time... only to find himself now confronted by his darkest fears. "Forgive me," Nozdormu whispered to Zirion, not knowing whether his beloved servant could still see or hear. The wounded bronze cocked his head in recognition. He gazed from side to side until his dull and cloudy eyes locked on Nozdormu. "Forgive me," the Timeless One repeated. Zirion's mouth stretched wide, and his body quivered. It almost looked as if he were laughing, but Nozdormu quickly realized that the other dragon was sobbing. As the last of Zirion's future bled out of him, he used whatever remained of his strength to push himself away from Nozdormu, his eyes filled with terror.Bashiok13 Jan 24, 2014
Jan 24, 2014 Not that thrilled. I was hoping for a true advancement of time and story in this series of expansions. I barely tolerated MoP, it added very little toward epic new story. I will admit, after playing vanilla for years, the expansion to another world like the burning crusade offered was mightily epic. Then i got to finish the story of Arthas' tragically evil demise, and see real related story to the whole line of Warcraft stories. The dragon was cool too, needed to have something to do next i suppose, but i was really hoping for more Titan story line, considering all the build up to titans on Azeroth through ulduar, then more titan mythos is Cataclysm in the region of Uldum. The next logical and epic step to me, would have been a journey to where the Titans originated. To go find the creators and put a stop to their trying to erase the "failures" of Azeroth, while simultaneously going for their magics and technology. It didnt happen, we went to pandas. *head scratch* ok. Well, there's a lot of hinted story for the alliance and horde actually trying to find peace together, at least an uneasy one while some great threat from beyond occurs. Perhaps a titan thread! Since we are demon'd to death, and we've ALREADY HAD Draenor.... Lets go forward again, lets go find the Titans and demand some answers. Or at least go to the Draenei's first homeworld on the way there. Hell i'd be happy with taking the fight to the source of the demons, rather than waiting for them to come to Azeroth to fight. What about the Naa'ru? Why cant we go rescue them on their world? There's so many great ideas to have done next, and I'm just NOT feeling this "Go back in time to before the first Warcraft". I've been here since year one, and have LOVED the lore, but going backwards doesn't feel right, it feels lazy and more than a little contrived. WoD Feels "off-topic" From the best story lines up until MoP. Someone hold me and soothe my feelings. Tell me its gonna be ok?Menghuó20 Jan 24, 2014
Jan 24, 2014 When enough is enough I keep seeing completely stupid and illogical requests from a few Horde players asking for Alliance characters to die because Horde characters did. It usually comes in two phases: Burning Crusade and Mists of Pandaria. I will start with BC. Plainly put, the guys killed in BC were villains to begin with. Kargath and Teron never were anywhere close to being good guys. Yeah, they were part of the Old Horde and all that stuff, but they still were evil. And in a game where the good guys always win, you can't let them hang around forever. Villains doing villain actions was perfectly normal and villains getting villain ending was even more normal. There is no need to kill the Alliance heroes of old because guess what, they were good guys. None of them did any heinous crimes and barbaric actions, unlike the Horde heroes. That's why they don't get killed. As for Mists of Pandaria, stop yelling everywhere poor old Nazgrim died and other pointless shoe vendors in Orgrimmar got killed. Guess what? They were bad guys. Even Nazgrim who helped you for a while was a bad guy. He made the mistake of siding with bad guys and himself ended up as one. That happens. As I said earlier, the Alliance isn't the mistake faction or the bad guys faction so why would Alliance characters be killed in the same way? I will tell you the reason: there isn't any reason at all besides satisfying a bunch of players who obviously didn't choose the good faction when they started playing. And Mists was a backslash to begin with. The alliance got the same situation in Cataclysm, and in Theramore moreso. If you count the number of random characters who are dead by now, there are more on the Alliance side.Cobble199 Jan 24, 2014
Jan 24, 2014 Ogres in WoD Just want to point out that there should be no Ogre mages in WoD. Unless Retcon. The Altars of Storms would've never been used to create them. As such, I hope that it is not overlooked that Ogre Magi and even Cho'gall would not exist as casters.Tragik11 Jan 24, 2014
Jan 23, 2014 Siege of Orgrimmar ending (spoilers) So after thinking about this for a while, I finally figured out why the ending bugged me so much. Thrall is about to kill Garrosh for all the horrible stuff that Garrosh was responsible for (bombing of Theramore, releasing the Sha in Eternal Vale, assassination of Vol'Jin, and generally being a word that rhymes with click) and Varian stops him saying that Garrosh should stand trial for the evils that he has done. So, why is this a horrible (imo) ending? Because we killed everyone else WITHOUT a trial. General Nazrim, Zaela (the female leader of the Dragonmaw Clan) and all the other bosses that we killed to get to Garrosh? Oh yeah, we killed them dead, no trial, it's kill or be killed. Garrosh has proven he would kill anyone who stands in his way (you're either with us or against us) but yet someone says he should get a trial? It just doesn't make sense. If you want to argue that Varian was all about justice and rights to receive a trial, why were none of the other bosses that we have fought ever had to stand trial?Gizabella53 Jan 23, 2014
Jan 23, 2014 Is the whole "Iron Horde" legit? Alright alright somebody please clear this up for me. It was my understanding that, before any of the demon influence (blood or whispers, anything) that the orcs were a very proud yet peaceful race, focusing on their shamanism. Now Draenor is making it seem like they have always been a battle-hardened, war-faring people. And the trailer shows them attacking Draenei, which I also thought they got along with. I'm very confused; could someone please fill me in on anything I'm missing/have gotten wrong? And if not, what's going on? Is this an alternate reality?Drakthall20 Jan 23, 2014
Jan 25, 2014 Sylvanas Redemption Story Tyrntoo17 Jan 25, 2014
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Jan 22, 2014 The Iron Horde was inevitable... ...or at least a threat along the same lines, regardless of what happened at the end of the Siege of Orgrimmar. Ever since WoD was announced some have pointed out that we had an opportunity to kill Garrosh at the end of the Siege of Orgrimmar but, mainly because of Varian, did not take advantage of it. It's pretty understandable for sine people to believe that Varian's desire to put Garrosh on trial was what led, if indirectly, to the rise of the Iron Horde. However I believe that this, while an understandable point of view, misses a very important detail, Kairozdormu. We don't know exactly what Kairoz's motives are in orchestrating the Iron Horde invasion of modern Azeroth, but somehow I doubt he's a disciple of Garrosh. This means that Garrosh is a pawn, a means to an end in a much larger plot. But most importantly Garrosh is not necessarily an irreplaceable part of Kairozdormu's plans. In theory Kairoz could of used any true follower of Garrosh to create the Iron Horde, meaning that even if Thrall had Doomhammered Garrosh's skull the Iron Horde would still be coming. Perhaps Kairoz's plans don't even call for the Iron Horde specifically, but just to create a new army out of an alternate timeline and bring it into the main one. In that case sparing anyone who willingly followed Garrosh didn't cause this problem, it simply determined the form it would take. So what does all of this mean? It means that the Horde and Alliance made no real error in sparing Garrosh. The fact is after most of his followers were killed off and his capital now in the hands of those who rebelled against him, Garrosh wasn't really a threat. Maybe he breaks out and maybe he gathers his remaining loyalists. Without some major trump card (that again may not necessarily be usable only by him), that only makes him a glorified bandit lord wanted dead or alive by basically every major power on the planet. Now, because I'm sure it will be brought up, lets talk meta-game for a minute. Yes, I do know that the original idea for Warlords of Draenor could be distilled down to "Garrosh raises a new army to take revenge on the Alliance and Horde". Blizzard did work with concepts that would of completely broken down without Garrosh and only Garrosh, but those concepts were rejected. For all we know those concepts were rejected in part because they didn't want the expansion to be necessarily caused by sparing Garrosh. TLDR: Garrosh may of been the catalyst for the Iron Horde, but is also a pawn in Kairozdormu's plans and nothing we know so far indicates that he was irreplaceable. Because of this, sparing Garrosh to put him on trial was not a really a mistake at all.Falrinn14 Jan 22, 2014
Jan 22, 2014 How did Tanaan Jungle become Hellfire? After the explosion zones like Nagrand seemed unaffected but Tanaan Jungle seems to have had all its trees cut down and become a barren red wasteland. What exactly happened there?Ramilo26 Jan 22, 2014
Jan 22, 2014 Which race holds the most "Honor"? I was wondering, ergo which race would you or lore readers would consider the most honorableness race in world of Warcraft in combat, deeds, etc. I could only guess the alliance side would be Dranie and the Horde would be Tauren. Care to answer?Nivox32 Jan 22, 2014
Jan 22, 2014 Dazzy and Finn Lore "RP" "Ðazzy's Journal" Journal 4 -Entry 175 I've been in this bug infested waste for 3 days waiting on this SI:7 agent to show up and nothing. He probably got himself killed like most of the rookie's. Plus I'm sure my feet are going to fall off from all this water! No wonder its called the Wet Lands. Its been 3 years since the cataclysm and the flooding is still present. Not much has changed here in Menethil harbor. But these people here still strive to make a living and home in these land's. Life never seems to stop amazing me. All the hardship and lose that's come over the years and we persevere. Arthus, Deathwing, and the constant war between the Alliance and Horde. I'm surprised we're still here Finn and me... Journal 4 - Entry 176: I rented a room here at the Deepwater Tavern. I'm not staying another night in that swamp. The only good coming out of this, is Finn seems be enjoying himself chasing the rats around. My host Helbrek the Innkeeper has even taken a liking to Finn, so long as he keeps his nose out of the kitchen. If this agent doesn't show up by tomorrow I'm going to have to hunt him down. Should be easy because he's probably dead and Finn should be able to sniff out his corpse. Journal 4 - Entry 177: I headed out in search of this SI7 agent all the way north to Dum Modr when we ran into some remnants of the Twilight Hammer. After some easy shooting, we headed to Thandol Span an amazing piece of Dwarven engineering. We did stop to take in the view before heading out, it would be a shame not to. Who said we couldn't enjoy ourselves a little on your search. We made it to outskirts of Refuge Pointe and night is here. We'll head into Refuge Pointe in the morning, don't want to be mistaken for a Forsaken spy or something. No camp fire tonight. Journal 4 - Entry 178: We camped on top of a rock on a hill over looking Refuge Pointe. I know one thing for sure I'm not getting any younger. We had high ground, and cover over head. A good strategic view of the surrounding area. We headed into Refuge Pointe early morning and even in day light we were almost gunned down. The defenders were on alert, some of there scouts went missing. There's a lot of that going around. Journal 4 - Entry 179: After some investigation with the locals and some of the Defenders of Refuge Pointe. The scouts were tasked to recon the west for Forsaken movements. I wonder if their disappearance and this SI:7 agent are tied together. I'm hoping that the Boulderfist Orge's got them. That would make our night easy. But I don't think Finn and I are going to get that lucky. I've decided that Finn and I are going to head out at night fall and that would give us ample time to make it to Thoradin's Wall before sun up. That's where I'm told most of the Forsaken movement has been seen. Now I'm starting to wish I packed my bow.Ðazzy3 Jan 22, 2014
Jan 22, 2014 Guess who's back? Back again, Grazz is back. Tell a friend! Admit it, y'all missed me. I have come back. to spread the word of the rise of the SaveTheTrolls Movement, and play the role of the moderate. Know I wouldn't have been back if it weren't for one of my movement's council members.Grazzbek77 Jan 22, 2014
Jan 22, 2014 Why are there so many Blood Elves This is something that has bothered me for a while. When i think of horde, i think of mainly Orcs, trolls, and Tauren. I feel blood Elves have kind of ruined what the horde use to be. Any thoughts on why many horde players are so inclined to play Blood Elves? I want some of you to come up with some well thought out answers. Comments like "Because they are pretty" are irrelevant in my eyes.Gelun44 Jan 22, 2014
Jan 22, 2014 Thrall and Jaina: Huh? So I've been wondering... What's up with Thrall and Jaina's relationship, now that she's all "RAWR RAWR DISMANTLE THE HORDE" and stuff. Both of them just seemed really mad and all in the ending cinematics for SoO, and I feel like there'd have been some tension in the room, just because of those two... If it's explained in a book, please do tell. I haven't gotten the chance to read the newer ones yet, and it makes me feel bad. XPVyere40 Jan 22, 2014
Jan 22, 2014 What are we in-game? By the topic I mean what is our status? If memory serves me correctly from vanilla the intent was for the player characters to be footman level (in terms of strength/power) non-military members of our faction. Basically powerful adventurers (when compared to average townsfolk) who were tied to the factions by race and not really anything else. Now playing through Mists and the other content it seems as though we have been the beacons of respective factions military might. We are elite weapons for our leaders to deploy as needed and are frequently used in negotiations representing our faction. Is this change intended? Am I making it up? When did this happen? Take us back to just being a guy doing his thing as opposed to the go-to for every incident the faction leaders run into.Myage27 Jan 22, 2014
Jan 22, 2014 Gamon Can we get some back story on Gamon??? Like was he the founding leader of the New Dance Group? lol think it would be able to introduce the new dance system we were suppose to get anyone with me on this???Fixiwiz23 Jan 22, 2014
Jan 22, 2014 Garithos died for our sins. He led his soldiers like a shepherd leads his flock, guiding them to salvation against the wretched Scourge and protecting their homelands. When Prince Kael'thas and his people arrived to assist with the war effort, Garithos recognized their talents and knew that they too suffered terrible losses from the Third War. He knew that they would have no trouble repairing Dalaran with their considerable magic skills, but the ungrateful Blood Elves had allied themselves with the Naga! Saint Garithos had no choice but to sentence the Blood Elves to death with a heavy heart, and when the Forsaken had come to him with a offer of truce, he accepted. He knew that these poor, misunderstood souls wanted to redeem themselves and gave them the chance to do so. The Forsaken had taken this moment to stab our savior in the back and slaughter his men to the last! Saint Garithos, Light bless his soul, showed us that the Forsaken and the High/Blood Elves cannot be trusted. The only people we can trust are our blood, humanity must reign supreme if we re to guide these 'people'. Saint Daelin also followed the same path, only to suffer the tragic fate of his race traitor daughter looking on as he died valiantly.Monthilax13 Jan 22, 2014
Jan 21, 2014 Orcs and the Light I would have posted this in WET forum as a bit of a "would this be okay for RP" scenario, but I realized it's a much bigger story. As many know, Elune is one of the few confirmed deities of Azeroth. She isn't a myth, she's a real god who has intervened with mortal affairs constantly. She represents the Light in a game mechanic sort of way, but I think there's more to it. When asked if Elune was a Naaru, Blizzard replied with, "Velen has been a prophet of the naaru for many thousands of years, and it’s unlikely that he would propose such a theory without significant evidence and consideration." Kaivax, a community manager, went on to say, "whether or not [Elune being a naaru] is anything other than talk is anyone's guess." Now, this isn't confirmed, so I'll leave it be... Avrus Illwhisper was a Satyr who abandoned his tribe to try and redeem himself, to get rid of the demonic corruption that overtook him centuries ago. After proving himself, lo and behold, he's back to a Night Elf with the help of Elune. Now, I know for a fact that if my character heard this story, he'd be immediately interested in Elune. I mean, this magical floating Elf in the sky can literally cure his entire race if they managed to prove themselves. But it got me thinking... The Orcish spirits of Nagrand are drawn on Oshu'gun, the "Mountain of Spirits" because of the Naaru inside. They weren't aware the Naaru was the one doing it, but are very aware now. We have this magical race of pure goodness floating around in a crystal that our ancestors are drawn to, and we have a confirmed goddess floating around Azeroth who can cure the demonic corruption... Surely this would peak the interest of a few dozen Orcs... Now, the Naaru don't allow demonically corrupted races use of the Light... It took a whole war for the Naaru to give the Blood Elves that kind of power. But what about Mag'har? They're uncorrupted, they acknowledge the Naaru, and they're capable of wielding that power. And if Cannibal here proves himself to be good-hearted to Elune, especially with the truce with the Night Elves, he can be cured and have access to that kind of Light as well. What I'm getting at here, is that this is all very possible through a storyline... But I was curious on your guy's thoughts on it. It's a lot of reading, but I think I made some good points here.Canniibal9 Jan 21, 2014
Jan 21, 2014 A rather odd question concerning an old quest When I first started Wow way back in vanilla my friends were alliance and they made me roll a human priest to play with them. I hated it , but one bright spot that I looked forward to as I leveled and loved was the epic questline looking for Stormwinds missing king. The thing is , is that one you did the blackrock part of the chain the questline ceased to exist. Now I know it was Varian that was missing but did they ever actually go back and finish the questline and lead to it rescuing him of was it just completely abandoned? I really wish there was a horde equivalent that quest took place through out the whole world and pretty much the entire level range.Onyxlich5 Jan 21, 2014
Jan 21, 2014 How long has Garrosh been on Draenor? I mean, the period after he escapes, and before he attempts to come back with the Iron Horde? Three years? I know Zaela comes with him? How much do you want to bet that she's pregnant and/or has a kid by the time WoD occurs and makes the situation even more complicated?Slaz6 Jan 21, 2014
Jan 21, 2014 Horde Quest Lines Been a completely alliance character since i started playing wow, and just made first serious horde character (troll shaman). Which zones/quest lines should i absolutely do as a horde character to see as much of the story as i can?Andríct15 Jan 21, 2014
Jan 21, 2014 what is the best skin colour for a wildhammer I wanted to make a wildhammer shamanIvanthev2 Jan 21, 2014
Jan 21, 2014 What about Danath? I'm very excited about WoD, as I'm sure many are. However, with the dark portal churning back in time (and Outland as we know it getting side-barred for a while) one of my first thoughts was, "What about the Sons of Lothar?". They shot down Turalyon and Alleria showing back up this expansion, which is fair enough, but they've also made it clear that Khadgar will be coming back into the spotlight. With Kurdran in Twilight Highlands that means the only one left out there is ol' Mr.Trollbane.. So what's the deal with him? Which sorry pencil-pusher IS keeping him in Honor Hold? It's been said that Sylvanas will be a major player in oncoming events, which makes me think that the Eastern Kingdoms will be seeing some conflict. As of now, The Forsaken are sitting on the doorstep of Stromguarde; would now not be a perfect time for Danath's return? The keep may be in a ruinous state, but the Syndicate have nearly disappeared as a presence in game, so surely the Arathi could muster an army capable of clearing out and reinforcing the castle with Danath back to lead them. There, with the backing of Stormwind/Gilneas, the Alliance could hold the line against Sylvanas- maybe even push her back. I'm aware that this is skirting the line with Fan-fiction, but it's just an idea. It'd be a shame to see Danath get lost in the shuffle again.Beerdwarf22 Jan 21, 2014
Jan 21, 2014 If all of the current faction leaders die, Who do you think would take their places? I mean, for Varian it would be obvious. Anduin would step up to be the King, Malfurion would probably take the position, (although he seems more neutral, sometimes.) I suppose Sassy Hardwrench could take over Gallywix's spot Vindicator Myraad or maybe even Yrel could take over for Velen. But for the rest of the races, Dwarves, Forsaken, Tauren, Gnomes, Trolls, Blood Elves, Worgen, and arguably Orcs don't have any obvious choices.Slaz37 Jan 21, 2014
Jan 20, 2014 A little something I Noticed I though i would share a bit of information from my time inthe alliance starting area . Apart from other human players i only saw 1 human and that was captain taylor. everyone else was a draenei within the grounds of the black temple. Now out from the black temple in a swamp was a worgen caravan set up opposite a Draenei encampent. I was able to get around 15-20 quests done within the time limit, i was unable to actually enter the actual interior of the black temple. From the some of the quest text it appears that we first come in contact with the AU Draenei in the Tanaan Jungle as my character was refered to as the Champion from Tanaan JungleHelsey3 Jan 20, 2014
Jan 20, 2014 Unification of Trolls. Well I've returned and I've come to spread the word of Trolls to you. You forum veterans who remember me know how big I am on Trolls, well, reading that "New Lore" thread, I decided to make this my first true thread since I've come back. Trolls aren't a controversial topic unlike Sylvanas/Forsaken so I expect some degree of rational minds. And I just thought of something that can happen, keep in mind I will try to incorporate gameplay into this as well. Vol'jin is crowned Warchief, The Orcs are no longer the head race of the Horde, in fact there probably is none at this point. Vol'jin having learned he is actually respected as a powerful Shadow Hunter by the Zandalari in Pandaria sees a chance to help rebuild the Horde and extends the Zandalari an offer that is basically as stands: "Join the Horde and be promised a new home, the Loa are not on your side, Zandalari. Join us, and Trolls can be great again, but with the strength of allies." The Zandalari, desperate to find a new home, and after the Thunder King, probably learned that even joining ancient allies won't work. They accept Vol'jins offer and ask their followers if they will join. The Sandfury, Drakkari, and Frostmane decide to accept, there are too few of them now and the Zandalari are their last hope. The Amani still see the Sin'dorei in the Horde, and the Horde's failure on the second war, and spit at Vol'jin's offer, unable to make the begrudging sacrifice of pride the Revantusk had done. The Gurubashi, again too prideful, will not follow the chieftain of a tribe they view as too weak, and runts of the Jungle Trolls. The Gurubashi also leave the Zandalari. Now the Amani and Gurubashi leave because there always needs to be troll villains, one of my movement's council members even said that Trolls have earned their place as recurrent villains of the franchise, and one of her friends even stated they liked the Troll patches, and knowing Blizzard? Trolls will still be around. So the Gurubashi and Amani decide to take matters into their own hands and rally the scattered tribes of their empires, agreeing to join forces. The Vilebranch and Witherbark, having lost their territories to the aggression of the Forsaken, Revantusk, and Wildhammer. The Mossflayer and Shadowpine soon follow in suit with the Bloodscalp, Skullsplitter, and Atal'ai tribes joining with the Gurubashi. Keeping trolls as villains to do as Blizzard sees fit. Note that this wouldn't be another rehash of Zul'gurub, and Zul'aman, the Amani and Gurubashi basically leave their cities, and move to kill off the Zandalari still remaining on Zandalar, ensuring that Vol'jin regrets being a good guy.Grazzbek42 Jan 20, 2014
Jan 20, 2014 Drakonid Race-crafting I had an idea for a new race, it's in the Dragonkin category except maybe a few tweaks here and there. "My idea is that before Malygos was defeated, he was creating a new type of Dragonkin species to serve as soldiers, and sealed them in a Timeless Isle like pocket dimension so they would age rapidly, but this plan didn't go through due to complications and lack of time so the species were shelved and forgotten. Left alone in their plain of existence. The Draknoid's were able to adapt to this and developed the beginnings of a new culture. But this was cut short when their pocket-dimension home collapses around them and they are forced back into Azeroth and fight in a now post-apocalyptic Coldarra. But they overcome their unfortunate circumstances and begin to carve a place for themselves in the world." There are still a lot of stuff that I'm not happy with and I would like to here what any of you guys think I could do with this idea. Mind you this isn't something I want to put in WoW but more for personal satisfaction for creativity.Weasy19 Jan 20, 2014
Jan 20, 2014 Absorb a faction! If you could absorb one faction, kingdom, tribe, group of people or w/e that your faction has been on decent terms with what would it be? I choose the spider kingdom of Azjol-Nerub because I think nerubians are super rad. But I seriously think a partnership with the horde and the spider kingdom would be beneficial to both sides because of heavy losses that we have both received.Kaelgos45 Jan 20, 2014
Jan 20, 2014 How did Burning legion find azeroth? (I am sorry for bad spelling in advance,hard to spell all this stuff.) So the story is that sargeras the leader of the burning legeion noticed azeroth and wanted to control it because of the well of eternity right? well if the titans help form and craft azeroth thousands of years ago making a well of eternity before they left, shouldn't sargeras have allready known about it? this has been bugging me alot so any explanation would be very helpfull, Thanks!Odalar23 Jan 20, 2014
Jan 20, 2014 This isn't an RTS I feel the title pretty much sums up my point of view. World of Warcraft should be a game of adventures and exploring, not some weird first person RTS. Yet, that's the feeling I get nowadays in the game. We only ever follow faction leaders, generals, warlords and people like that. But they shouldn't even bother talking to me. What am I to them? A glorious homeless who was on a killing spree when a vile oppressor arised in Outland or in Northrend at best, a waste of time at worst. We should be travelling around with lonely knights seeking a quest, bards looking for heroic songs, warlocks flleing their past. The kind of people who goes on adventures. Take away the "warcraft" part and bring back the "world" part. That's the biggest problem with the game now. All this whining about Night elves, Draenei, Forsaken, name it, it comes from the RTS-minded attitude of following the leaders and be super important for the future of Azeroth. Bring back individuals and all this will disappear. Having faction leaders and generals around us from time to time is ok, but all the time it isn't.Cobble28 Jan 20, 2014
Jan 20, 2014 Is the wow story line harder to follow now? I posted this in general chat, I'll share a link. However I think it belongs here because it does have to deal with the storyline of World of Warcraft. If it could be merged or simply moved, that would be awesome. Original Post, let me know what you think. WoW Storyline difficult to follow, alternative idea? First, if this idea was already stated and answered please post a link with a brief description so that we all don't waste our time chastising people for talking about the same thing over and over again. Ever since Cataclysm was announced a few years back, I found myself wondering how we would get through the Warcraft story first started in WoW. I was hoping for something that would bring new players to the game up to speed on what has happened over these long years. Also a way to make sense of the need to go from one expansion, to a previous expansion then back to the newer expansion that you started in. My original idea was creating a vanilla realm that would be connected to a current realm and you would simply progress in a straight line that way. However, this isn't going to happen (which is fine), so I was wondering if it would make sense to add scenarios for low level players that focused on key events in Vanilla. This way they could level up and get some of the older storyline relatively early. Vanilla server people would also get some of what they wanted with this, without things getting crazy. This could be implemented as a Lore Walker of Azeroth and Kalimdor quest line. Rewards could be a little coin and perhaps transmorg gear that is hard to find/not currently available from vanilla (or even the other expansions). Not too much XP for repeats (i.e. one non repeatable quest) though because that could serve to move people through the regular world zones too fast, you could repeat the scenarios for extra transmorg gear. Moving back and forth between expansions could be dealt with by using the Bronze Dragonflight, Chromie could open "Portals to the past" starting at level 58, guess where you go ;). A combination of Lore Walkers and Bronze dragons could be used here too. This might help to straighten out some of the story stuff for people who care about it, and would also add more cool gear to transmorg and of course, it's additional content since it's no longer in the game.Kamon5 Jan 20, 2014
Jan 20, 2014 Tillers Short Story Soon™ It's done and being edited so hopefully sometime very soon. It looks like it is the Maraad and Lyalia story.Lena110 Jan 20, 2014
Jan 19, 2014 Looking for Lore I am new to WoW and I am looking for a good source to read some WoW lore. Is there a website where I can get a good rundown of Azeroths past and how things came to be as they are now?Pleepleeus1 Jan 19, 2014
Jan 19, 2014 Story Forum Community Lounge 94 Link to the last lounge: Link to the archive: Rules: 1) The thread must be called "Story Forum Community Lounge" followed by its number. 2) If you created the current lounge, you can not create the next one. 3) No serious lore discussion. 4) No hating, flaming, or serious debates unless all sides wish to engage in the talk. 5) You must post these rules in the Original Post, so all can see the rules in future lounge.Delurk499 Jan 19, 2014
Jan 19, 2014 "What a waste..." This is what I feel the feeling at the end of WoD should be. We should realise how badly we screwed things at the end of the Siege of Orgrimmar. The best way to do so is to have the Alternate Universe being destroyed at the end. There are many ways to do so like the Legion and the Void, both toys of different Orc clans in WoD. But a random tought occured me: alternate timelines usually crash by themselves. But this case is different, Kairoz is using the Timeless Isle's magic to make it stable, from what I know. What if we kill Kairoz? Would the timeline crash without him to protect it? So let's make it a dumb mistake in addition to an unfortunate accident from the Siege of Orgrimmar. An expansion with a bitter ending would do good to the franchise. We can't always just roflstomp every challenge we face, otherwise we don't care. And since it's a suicide mission, let's kill a few crew members too.Cobble65 Jan 19, 2014
Jan 19, 2014 Two Velens in WoD, just kill one off Blizzard have stated time and time again that Warlords of Draenor is not meant to be a time travel expansion. They want to avoid double ups wherever they can. Velen in WoD is said to be kicking !@# and taking names in the war with the Iron Horde, we're apparently going to learn a lot more about Velen's roots in this expansion. While it's nice to see, a good chunk of this doesnt really carry on in the future of Warcraft. Sure it provides great insight into his character but it won't reflect much in the future. What I think would be interesting and also be a great story hook for the Draenei of WoD, is Velen of Draenor dieing before or during the Alliance comes to Kerabor. Leaving the Draenei hopeless and desperate, losing the leader who guided their race for centuries. This would also be a good spring board for Y'rel's journey. It puts the Draenei in an interesting new place. With the Velen of this time gone, our Velen steps up to the plate to lead his people and is forced to take a more active role. Our Velen gets to do the kicking $%^ and taking names this expansion. I know he has his whole Army of Light commitments, but these circumstances finally push him to take action in the events unfolding around him. I just feel it would be a more meaningful experience if it was our Velen we were interacting with and would be a cool hook for the Draenei people of Old Draenor to lose their Velen.Perrage13 Jan 19, 2014
Jan 19, 2014 The Legend of Nistril. Once upon a time in Pandria Some believe around the year, one-double knot-three. Head monk of The White Lotus Clan Nistril. Was walking down the road Contemplating whatever a man with Nistril's infinite power would contemplate Which is another way of saying, who knows. When, a Shaolin monk appeared on the road traveling in the opposite direction. As the two monks crossed paths... Nistril in a practically unfathomable display of generosity Gave the other monk the slightest of nods. The nod, was not returned. Now was it the intention of the Shaolin monk to insult Nistril? Or, did he just fail to see the generous social gesture? The motives of that monk, remain unknown. What is known, were the consequences. The next morning Nistril appeared at the Shaolin Temple, And demanded that the temple's head Abbot offer Nistril his neck to repay the insult. The Abbot, at first, tried to console Nistril, only to find, Nistril was inconsolable. So began, the massacre of the Shaolin Temple, And all sixty of the monks inside, At the fists of the White Lotus. And so began, the legend of Nistril's Five-Point Palm Exploding Heart Technique.Nistril2 Jan 19, 2014
Jan 19, 2014 Silvermoon will rise again... Lor'themar Theron says: "Silvermoon will rise again and all will know the power and glory of the Sin'Dorei" Can it mean that maybe in Addon after WoD Blizzard will change Silvermoon, or even in WoD (Some patch maybe)? Do you want Blizzard to change Silvermoon? And if you do, write what do you want to see or be in Silvermoon. P.S. Also Blizzard says that Blood Elfs have some connection with Naaru (WoD)Overlordus10 Jan 19, 2014
Jan 19, 2014 WoD, return of old Horde heroes, and Alleria I've seen discussions about Alleria and Turalyon in the past that discussed whether, when they return, if they will be Alliance-alligned, neutral, or potentially even villains (largely because of what happened to a lot of old Horde heroes in BC). In WoD there is an opportunity to bring back a lot of Horde champions and possibly assimilate them into the current Horde. If this happens do you think Alleria and Turalyon can come back as Alliance champions? I know as an Alliance player I really grew to dislike having to run around with Thrall in Cataclysm, and working with the Horde in general. I want to interact with Alliance characters. I think the faction war has really divided the player base and a lot of us are sick of it and want to focus strictly on storylines for our faction. What do you think lies in store for Alleria and Turalyon now? I really hope the Horde can get some cool characters back. (especially with SoO getting rid of the likes of Nazgrim) and I hope when Alleria and Turalyon return they will be for Alliance players.Ashendra19 Jan 19, 2014
Jan 19, 2014 the iron skyreaver is a chimera? the chimeras that night elfs "bonded" with or what ever? or is it specifically from the iron horde like the youtube ad video saysËxo32 Jan 19, 2014