4.3 Raid Finder Loot Rules

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As previously announced the Raid Finder will use an altered version of Need Before Greed that provides loot roll bonuses to those that have entered the raid in the role (tank, DPS, healing) that uses those items. Unfortunately the system is currently unable to detect spec, and so this creates some issues for classes that utilize stats that are not "common" to that role.

To help clarify which items you will or will not be able to roll on based on the role you entered the raid in, we have some basic guidelines that we've followed that should help you anticipate which items you'll receive the roll bonus on.

If you're in a raid as one of the below roles here is what you'll receive a roll bonus on:

Tank:
  • Agility Leather (for druids)

  • Strength plate with tank stats on it

  • Trinkets with tank stats

  • Trinkets with Agility (for druids)


"Tank stats" = Dodge, Parry, or Mastery


Healer:
  • Any appropriate caster gear without Hit

  • Trinkets that trigger on heals or beneficial spells


DPS:
  • Mostly everything that doesn’t have a tank stat on it

  • Spirit gear (for elemental shaman, shadow priest, and moonkin)

  • Trinkets that trigger on damaging spells/melee hits


In some cases we've been overly restrictive when flagging accessories (Petrified Fungal Heart and Signet of Grasping Mouths in particular), and we're planning to modify a couple of those items to be less restrictive before or shortly after the patch goes live.

With Mists of Pandaria our expectation is that we will have the ability to detect spec, and so all of these issues go away for future raids. For Dragon Soul there will be some overlap, though, and it's important you're aware of the loot rules as due to the automated distribution system our support department will not be able to assist with any loot disputes while using Raid Finder.
This will aleviate some confusion to the spirit loving mages in my guild >.>
Sounds great, hopefully you will see less drama on the forums.
DPS:

Mostly everything that doesn’t have a tank stat on it


Does that mean we can roll on SOME tank stat stuff? >;)

/Brandishes a 2H battle axe somehow

That would be terrifying, wouldn't it?
Are things like armor proficiencies being counted as well? It would suck being a mage, and losing a cloth chest to an elemental shaman, to have a mail chest he could use drop off the next boss, for instance.
Well, it's safe to assume my gear won't drop anyway unless i'm on an Alt of some form or another, so meh.
No more mages/locks taking spirit gear thank you blizzard <3
Sounds reasonable to me.
Are things like armor proficiencies being counted as well? It would suck being a mage, and losing a cloth chest to an elemental shaman, for instance.


You can't roll need on armor that isn't your type in need before greed anyway.
Are you able to change your role once the raid has started or are you locked in with what you queued as?

Asking because there are a few solo tank fights, healers leave, and DPS respec to fill that role, etc.
It's going to suck to be a rogue or kitty druid in the raid finder.
oh, how about DK tanks? they uses 2H... as far as I know, those don't have tank stats, but will they?
11/23/2011 01:47 PMPosted by Ågoroth
First. Also thanks ^_^


Only is worth on a youtube video. But thanks for the post.

If you read the twitter conversation between me and Bashiok last night, you would understand.

/pat
11/23/2011 01:49 PMPosted by
Are things like armor proficiencies being counted as well? It would suck being a mage, and losing a cloth chest to an elemental shaman, for instance.


You can't roll need on armor that isn't your type in need before greed anyway.


They're using an altered version of it, and it's not very clear to me exactly what is altered. Is it JUST the things he mentioned? Or for dps could it actually be "mostly everything that doesn't have a tank stat"
Are you able to change your role once the raid has started or are you locked in with what you queued as?

There are a few solo tank fights, healers leave, and DPS spec to fill that role, etc.


It will probably be like LFD where if your healer leaves and one of your dps wants to heal you just need to reque as heals and as for tanks switching to DPS, I can't think of a tank that would like to lose tank gear just to get dps gear even if they're dpsing for a boss.

Are you able to change your role once the raid has started or are you locked in with what you queued as?

There are a few solo tank fights, healers leave, and DPS spec to fill that role, etc.


It will probably be like LFD where if your healer leaves and one of your dps wants to heal you just need to reque as heals and as for tanks switching to DPS, I can't think of a tank that would like to lose tank gear just to get dps gear even if they're dpsing for a boss.

11/23/2011 01:51 PMPosted by Nöble


You can't roll need on armor that isn't your type in need before greed anyway.


They're using an altered version of it, and it's not very clear to me exactly what is altered. Is it JUST the things he mentioned? Or for dps could it actually be "mostly everything that doesn't have a tank stat"


The things he mentioned get 100+ added to their roll if it concerns you they didn't change people not being allowed to roll on armour types that aren't theres.
11/23/2011 01:48 PMPosted by Nöble
Are things like armor proficiencies being counted as well? It would suck being a mage, and losing a cloth chest to an elemental shaman, to have a mail chest he could use drop off the next boss, for instance.


That was implemented into the need/greed system a while ago.

Thank you for the info Bashiok.

Will this loot system be applied to 5 mans as well, if not is there plans to implement it?
11/23/2011 01:51 PMPosted by Chihaya
oh, how about DK tanks? they uses 2H... as far as I know, those don't have tank stats, but will they?


nvm. in that case, they're equal with other dps

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