LFR loot exploit is so bad. Free Tier for all

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12/01/2011 11:11 PMPosted by Hayekk
By this logic, it was fine when Ensidia exploited normal Lich King because it was just normal mode and it provided a lesser quality of gear.


You're really trying to compare this to removing an entire mechanic from the fight, which is what made P2 hard? lol. Troll elsewhere. Not saying P2 was "hard" but that was the hardest part, Defile was a joke.
I'm by no means a top raider but this may also make class stacking more viable. If you decide you need 25 druids, you now have a fairly reliable means to get them all in current gear in a single week.
12/01/2011 11:39 PMPosted by Rhogh
If they were just "using the bombs in their rotation" somewhere in the many other guilds there had to be at least one other player who was using Saronite Bombs to up his or her DPS before the hotfix. And it would have been a widely known issue.


while your point is very valid, and I don't have a really strong answer to it, Ensidia claims that they ticketed this. (after the kill).

so what separates them from other guilds is that they literarly told Blizard "look what I just did". and of course once the ban landed no other guild would be dumb enough to say "hey hey, me too, where's my ban?".

my problem with that ban is this:

1) they more or less did the normal stuff. it's the code that this time didnt do its job. its not like the sarth lava exploits for example where you actively 'do' the exploit. or yogg+0 brain exploit. having soulstoned paladins in brain room is hardly part of the fight or of your rotation.

2) they could've reported the kill, sit down and wait for the hotfix, or not use the bombs. problem is this was for world first race in a fight with limited attempts. so back to my statement...what if Heroism or Shield Wall would've rebuilt the platforms? sometimes bugs help, other times hurt. this time it helped. it's not their fault the fight was buggy.
What I don't get is why did collapsing the platform help them? Did it make the transitions faster or what? Or did it do some weird thing that caused the main phases (that don't have the ice ring) to go faster?
it wasnt collapsing. it was rebuilding.

the valkir would drop the players on solid ground. so you ignore valkir, spread for defile and ... yeah.

p2 was a rapid series of collapse/spread game. they turned it into 'stay spread out'.
What I don't get is why did collapsing the platform help them? Did it make the transitions faster or what? Or did it do some weird thing that caused the main phases (that don't have the ice ring) to go faster?


What Robo said, it made P2 an absolute joke because you could stay spread out the entire duration, thus negating Valks, a mechanic, and making the hardest part of P2 faceroll.
If nothing is done, i'll just cancel my sub, annual pass or not, cause that's just BS if they get away with exploiting a bug to obtain gear, which is against ToS.

Top guild or not, no one is exempt to just do what they want and cheat to win, and no this isn't "clever" use of mechanics, it's a bug and they're using it to gain advantage over others, which is in the ToS again.
If you run the looking for raid with say 25 guildies and kill a boss. it will say you are ineligble for the loot assuming you have already killed it once but this can be bypassed by just zoning out and back in, then the loot is passed automatically by everyone thus allowing people to just loot the items they want at free will.


Basically, the "ineligible" only applies to rolls. After the roll expires anyone can stroll up and loot their item. You don't need alts.
12/01/2011 10:36 PMPosted by Notfat
Yeah, a new element that is allowing you to outfit your raiders with free tier.


Yeah they need to fix this because you are really earning your gear doing the LFR and they are being given free gear.
12/01/2011 11:41 PMPosted by Naumu
By this logic, it was fine when Ensidia exploited normal Lich King because it was just normal mode and it provided a lesser quality of gear.


You're really trying to compare this to removing an entire mechanic from the fight, which is what made P2 hard? lol. Troll elsewhere. Not saying P2 was "hard" but that was the hardest part, Defile was a joke.

How am I trolling? Both are rather obvious cases of exploiting the rather obvious intent of the developers. One can argue the severity of the exploits, but at the end of the day, exploitation of the RDF happened.

Saying exploitation of the RDF doesn't matter is akin to saying that exploiting Normal or Heroics doesn't matter. If a guild were to figure out a way to run Normal or HM raids ,multiple times a week, on the same toons, and still get loot from all of the kills the community would be furious and be calling for heads to roll.

Why should RDF exploits get a pass?
Overrated and C'thun trash was the best raid exploit of all time!

12/02/2011 12:54 AMPosted by Elliora
Overrated and C'thun trash was the best raid exploit of all time!


Agreed, it was amazing
12/02/2011 12:47 AMPosted by Zaustrian
If you run the looking for raid with say 25 guildies and kill a boss. it will say you are ineligble for the loot assuming you have already killed it once but this can be bypassed by just zoning out and back in, then the loot is passed automatically by everyone thus allowing people to just loot the items they want at free will.


Basically, the "ineligible" only applies to rolls. After the roll expires anyone can stroll up and loot their item. You don't need alts.


if this is true then it is NOT an exploit.

sadly, as much as I hate to say this, if this is all they di then it's fairgame. 24 players refused to roll on loot, blizzard made such loot be up for grabs, the 25th grabbed it. by blizzard's system that's perfectly fine.

it's like cocupying every seat at a blackjack table where there is no "house" but the casino said its ok so its ok.
12/02/2011 12:53 AMPosted by Hayekk
Saying exploitation of the RDF doesn't matter is akin to saying that exploiting Normal or Heroics doesn't matter. If a guild were to figure out a way to run Normal or HM raids ,multiple times a week, on the same toons, and still get loot from all of the kills the community would be furious and be calling for heads to roll.


How is what they're doing exploiting? If they really are using 24 alts and rotating in mains one at a time, what's the big deal? Am I exploiting because I ran it to get gear that didn't drop for me in normal? lol. They just have the means and willingness to actually put that much effort in, most people wouldn't do that, even though LFR takes ~15-20 minutes to clear 4/8 in LFR atm in a guild group.
12/02/2011 12:58 AMPosted by Avermra
Overrated and C'thun trash was the best raid exploit of all time!


Agreed, it was amazing


yay, someone else who remembers, lol.
12/02/2011 01:06 AMPosted by Whitworth
Hmmm beer.


I think you mean "Mmmmmmmm beeeeer."
12/02/2011 01:06 AMPosted by Naumu
How is what they're doing exploiting? If they really are using 24 alts and rotating in mains one at a time, what's the big deal? Am I exploiting because I ran it to get gear that didn't drop for me in normal? lol. They just have the means and willingness to actually put that much effort in, most people wouldn't do that, even though LFR takes ~15-20 minutes to clear 4/8 in LFR atm in a guild group.


This isn't what they are doing.
I'm not sure we are supposed to say what people think they are doing, since I don't think it's been fixed yet.

Not worth risking getting a forum ban IMO.... just go read the MMOChamp thread.

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