Sigh Blizzard, yet again Horde wins

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04/19/2012 11:45 AMPosted by Holyblacknes
How about instead of sparring with Varian, new alliance pandas go toe to toe with a real warrior who isn't a Mary Sue, Muradin.


You keep using this word, I don't think it means what you think it means.


Eh... close enough!

As for the OP, hey, guess what? The different factions are... different factions. I'm aware of things that make for a good argument about Horde favoritism-- this isn't one of them, IMO. People are really over-stating the case for this, when they see favoritism behind every tree and around every corner.
04/19/2012 11:36 AMPosted by Mookosh
AV... just AV.


AV is the most horde favored map out of all the BGs.
Alliance whiners make me embarrassed to be an Alliance member.

If for the Alliance whiners...ffs just go and roll a Horde and shut up.
Funny, I got a completely different impression from the starting areas.

Varian sees you as a valuable ally, and as an equal. He impresses upon you that the Alliance races look out for each other, and then spars with you personally.

Garrosh sees you as a tool. He talks about how the other Horde races "have plenty of uses" ("Look, this one's a shaman!" and "Even a blood elf can swing a sword."), and then throws you in the arena and watches you fight for your life against three towering monsters.

I definitely know who I'd rather side with.

Yeah, I don't get how someone can say "the Horde is great", when you have racism, segregation and a complete disregard for your well-being all in that short intro.

If the Horde is about being a tool in a sociopath's belt, excuse me, but I'll stick with the guy with dissociative identity disorder who can at least laugh at himself.
When a Pandaren enters the Alliance, you walk around with Varian as he talks to you about your new duties and who your enemies are, then afterwards you spar with Varian as a test to see what you can bring in combat. All you do is auto attack as he dodges/parries all of your moves until you get 1 hit in, then he falls down and admits he hadn't fought like that in years.

When a Pandaren enters the Horde it's basically the same with talking about new duties, but instead of sparring with Garrosh, you enter an arena and fight 3 giant bosses with 4 other pandarens by yourside.

Alliance gets a few seconds of sparring, Horde gets epic arena death match.
I'm sorry, but i don't see how this is Horde favoritism...at all. It's a distinguishing factor between the 2 factions. The Alliance would rather have a friendly sparring match, with no real risk of death or dismemberment to either party. This is simply the way of the Alliance (Not to mention I *think* Varian might have a qualm with gladiatorial fighting in Stormwind...). For the Horde, Death and dismemberment is a form of entertainment, so it's fitting that they'd pit the Pandaren against the most lethal foes they could "safely" get their hands on as Garrosh watches.
04/19/2012 11:52 AMPosted by Paetheas
AV is the most horde favored map out of all the BGs.

AHAHAHAH! Oh, wait, you're serious? Is this 2007 again?

I am Alliance because that is the faction I prefer for many reasons in game, but when I played through Cataclysm, I'm not saying Horde story is better, but they get way more fun quests to do than Alliance.

My example, the quest chain before entering Twilight Highlands.

Alliance you walk around (really fly around) with the prince as you defeat a few baddies.

Horde gets epic sky fleet entrance into Twilight Highlands and get into a fight with Deathwing and other drakes in an awesomely epic sky battle.

Do I understand both factions came to the highlands differently? Yes. But it's just plain obvious that Horde got the way better quest gameplay.

In twilight highlands, the horde get the fun before going there. The alliance on the other hand, get the fun when they're already there. I, unlike most people who argue about it, have played both sides, and with the horde, after you've captured the Dragonmaw port, it's very borring. With the alliance, the arrival is kinda borring, though not as much as I heared of, but once you're there you get to bring the wildhammers toguether and it's awesome. So in the end, it's about the same, only the alliance get the fun farther into the zone, rather than at the begining.
The Alliance side event seems to be more in character with the Alliance. It isn't Horde favoritism in any shape or form because it would be incredibly for the Alliance king who was a gladiator who loathed the time he spent in the pits to toss you into a ring with a bunch of other fresh meat for some silly bloodsport.
I personally thought the Alliance one was way cooler. Varian interacts with you on a personal level, he truly wants to see what you're made of and what you bring to the table. And when you get a successful jab in, hes elated about it and thinks its awesome. This is something a king that is connecting to his people would do, and I loved it.

The horde intro I felt showed the true disconnect Garrosh is forming with the horde.


I agree with you completely.

One of the main problems with Wrynn is he has not connected with the alliance (humans) at all. We had a quest line to uncover a conspiracy and search for him that never panned out. Instead of us saving him (like we did with Thrall in CoT), he saves himself and "appeared" in Stormwind as a mighty warrior at WotLK. I had no clue who he was, how he got there, or if he was worthy of being a king. He was just....there.

We then see him in the Wrathgate quest and fight alongside him, except HE is doing all the fighting and we are watching him. He essentially babysits us until it is over, because that's a quest that cannot fail. The difference being in any of the Thrall escorts, if you don't protect Thrall he dies. This is an important note because it's an example of a leader who needs his people. Until now, Wrynn has been able to do everything by himself and does not really recognize us for the heroes we have become.

So I think having him personally interact with the Pandarens and being "caught off guard" is a small step toward a better relationship to a king we are disconnected with. Showing him with some sort of weakness is a good thing, because that makes our character feel somewhat needed. If Wrynn is going to be instrumental in future content, I think he needs more quality interaction with players and shows a true need for his people instead of a "watch me do it all on my own" mentality.
04/19/2012 11:56 AMPosted by Springrunner
AHAHAHAH! Oh, wait, you're serious? Is this 2007 again?
I honestly couldn't tell you because I've never seen a good AV match at all. Now Gilneas.....I swear it feels favored to the Horde but I never honestly complained about it.
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Horde gets epic sky fleet entrance into Twilight Highlands and get into a fight with Deathwing and other drakes in an awesomely epic sky battle.

Do I understand both factions came to the highlands differently? Yes. But it's just plain obvious that Horde got the way better quest gameplay.


You know what you do on that quest, right? As Horde? You stand there and then jump off the ship with one of the parachutes like a god damn coward. No gameplay there, just a non-cinematic cinematic.

You also forget that we got into that situation because our leader is a pighead and sent all his defenses off to attack the Alliance navy. So we also get to sit there and facepalm at our completely lunkheaded leader and then get to do nothing about fixing the problem he caused. Yup, we totally won that questline!

And, again, at your OP - I've done those quests personally, both lines. I hated the Horde line. Garrosh doesn't have the personal interest in you to fight with you, he throws you into a pit of certain death to see if you're worthy enough to face his stupid brutes (which, by the way, is only you and Ji if no other player walks in there with you.) You also seem to skip the part where he tells you to go somewhere, then flies away - last time I checked, Varian walked with you the whole time.

It's not the the Horde wins, it's that it's different. Varian respects you as an individual and wants to see what you, as a representation of the Pandaren, can do. Garrosh, on the other hand, sees you as another cog to place into the machine and wants to see if you're good enough to fit. How is being utilized as a no-name piece of Alliance grinder fodder winning?
Wasting your breath, blizzard has always been about the horde, there is nothing that will change.
Or better yet to see with your own eyes go to BH peninsula, go to the horde side of the camp to the bridge to BH, see how CLOSE those guards are to the road, how many alliance have you seen make it down that road without gettng killed, now look at the alliance guards and HOW FAR BACK off the road they are and horde just goes down the road with out any arggo.

There are WAY to many places and instances where it favors hordes, this subject has been talked about but as ALWAYS nothing changes with blizzard, they are going to do what they are going to do and everything is HORDE.


this wont change till a certain person that works in blizzard gets fired/replaced. hint: this person was forced to wear an alliance shirt at blizzcon 2011 on an attempt to hide his faction bias.
Oh god, no don't fire Metzen or replace him. We have no proof that he was *forced* other then you saying that to support your own argument. Metzen is good lore dev, yes he has a soft spot for the Horde but he is entitled to his opinion.
I personally prefer the Alliance's version, but I guess that's no surprise. See, when I had my toon and "joined the horde", the place varian is in now, that was pretty much what the horde was in. Now with Garrosh in charge, this is what it's come to.

I HATE what my faction has become, and if the game gave you the chance to turn traitor, I would have when the trolls left Org to begin with. Then again, given the story of this expansion, that may be exactly what the developers are trying to stir in me. It's a neat idea, but man, it SUCKS to play through.

Garrosh has gone from someone who had some character with him. He was an !@# and a hothead, but he at least had honor. Every passing chapter of this story since his introduction has made him worse and worse in terms of this. He more makes fun of the other races now under "his" horde, even while admitting they make fine allies. "Look at this tauren, he's a SHAMAN! And look, a blood elf, even they could hold swords!" The undertones of those two lines are pathetic for a leader.

Alliance gets a nice loooooooooooooong walk to the throne room, with varying races talking about their arrival all the way. Horde is more "meh". If i had to choose between a big "fight" you can't possibly lose, or more character before you even meet your leader, I'd choose the latter every time. When I picked the horde, it would have been the latter. Now that it's the former without any sayso for me, it sucks, flat out.


I feel the exact same way sista!!! :(
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Horde gets epic sky fleet entrance into Twilight Highlands and get into a fight with Deathwing and other drakes in an awesomely epic sky battle.

Do I understand both factions came to the highlands differently? Yes. But it's just plain obvious that Horde got the way better quest gameplay.


You know what you do on that quest, right? As Horde? You stand there and then jump off the ship with one of the parachutes like a god damn coward. No gameplay there, just a non-cinematic cinematic.

You also forget that we got into that situation because our leader is a pighead and sent all his defenses off to attack the Alliance navy. So we also get to sit there and facepalm at our completely lunkheaded leader and then get to do nothing about fixing the problem he caused. Yup, we totally won that questline!

And, again, at your OP - I've done those quests personally, both lines. I hated the Horde line. Garrosh doesn't have the personal interest in you to fight with you, he throws you into a pit of certain death to see if you're worthy enough to face his stupid brutes (which, by the way, is only you and Ji if no other player walks in there with you.) You also seem to skip the part where he tells you to go somewhere, then flies away - last time I checked, Varian walked with you the whole time.

It's not the the Horde wins, it's that it's different. Varian respects you as an individual and wants to see what you, as a representation of the Pandaren, can do. Garrosh, on the other hand, sees you as another cog to place into the machine and wants to see if you're good enough to fit. How is being utilized as a no-name piece of Alliance grinder fodder winning?
I agree the alliance version you get shot out of a frickin cannon by a dorf lol I loved that, It doesnt get much better then that. Well maybe if blizzard threw in some Female orcs and female trolls in bikinis, then that would be the best
It's only natural.

Alliance got Wrath.

Horde got Cata.

MoP seems largely neutral so far.
Judging by your posts, you really seem like you should be playing Horde...and it doesn't sound like you've really done the Horde portion of Twilight Highlands...There's no *real* battle with Deathwing, he flies past the zeppelin fleet, leaving his Twilight Drake Lackeys behind, said lackeys attach themselves to the ships...Garrosh yells "GET...OFF...MY...SHIP!" before cleaving a Drake and spiraling towards the ocean....we have a few quests of hoping he *actually* died, he then appears, has a bro moment with Zaela, and bam, alliance with Dragonmaw formed.

Alliance, I will admit, has a less exciting intro, in so far as it's just escorting Anduin around Stormwind with the occasional cultist or 24 reference, followed by a dilithium powered plane ride. But the actual quests uniting the Wildhammers, actually forming the alliance was really cool, in my honest opinion.
04/19/2012 12:02 PMPosted by Doromil
but once you're there you get to bring the wildhammers toguether and it's awesome.


hmm, epic sky battle with deathwing, or attend a wedding....

i think the sky battle is more fun

Epic sky battle where you don't do anything. You just stand there and watch your fleed be shredded.

I think you should go horde. Seriously.
04/19/2012 12:01 PMPosted by Aeluron
I honestly couldn't tell you because I've never seen a good AV match at all. Now Gilneas.....I swear it feels favored to the Horde but I never honestly complained about it.

Seriously? I think it's the opposed. Gilneas slightly favors the alliance cause they don't have to swim if they don't have a DK with path of frost to get to WW. Likewise, in AB, the alliance take a little more to get to BS if they don't have a DK, but since there's 5 bases, it's less of a deal.

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