14 dead in Colorado theatre

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07/20/2012 06:08 PMPosted by Rosenivy
I still hope we don't get any panicked security at theaters now. I used to love flying. Not so much anymore with all the pat downs I have to get. I'd rather not have so much stress over theaters now. Doesn't sound like a fun movie watching atmosphere. And it kind of makes us look bad to appear constantly paranoid. I know there's concern for safety but sometimes I feel we're excessive with it.


Still go into any Nightclub and they have far better security and you step out of line and you are kicked out. Go to a Vegas Hotel or casino they have mass security ever where. Oh you don't see it but it's there and one persons steps out of line and the security is there to put otu the fire.

So we are just fine with security in Vegas and Nightclubs but not in airports, movie thearter, or stadiums. I don't get it. There are people that go into Nightlcubs, stripclubs, they go to Vegas, etc and they don't have a problem with security there.

As for the gun thing. Forget about the guns for a minute and look at the guy. I will take school shoots the wrost one was not even a shooting it was a bombing. Bath School disaster 45 people dead 38 of which were children. Andrew Kehoe killed far more people in that act then those who died in Virginia Tech massacre.

It's kneejerk to say we need more gun control ever time there is a mass shooting. At the same time though this whole more security in places where 1000s and 1000s of people come together is not a bad thing. Yet for some reason we are ok with the security in places like Nightlcubs, stripclubs, and Vegas. But a MOVIE THEATER and are rights are being taken away. That's makes no sense.
Pray for the victims and their families, then go and and arm yourself.
an alarm should have gone off on the emergency door too.
07/20/2012 04:46 PMPosted by Rosenivy
fully automatic assault rifle


You just lost all credibility with anyone who knows guns. There's no such thing.

Also, self responsibility. Blaming the guns for this is no better than blaming games. Guns mean absolutely nothing without the will to use it.

07/20/2012 06:16 PMPosted by Rhaeva
Guns are easy to get and some people just dont care whos buying them. Im extremely paranoid and I think every crowded place I go is going to get shot up......I suppose this gives my paranoia some credit...... :(


Don't be put off by this. This is something that is very, very rare to the point where it happens globally a few dozen times a year at most. You never even hear about all but the most notable events. Most people will never know someone who directly experiences something like this, much less experience something like it themselves.

07/20/2012 07:05 PMPosted by Fuzzywuzzee
an alarm should have gone off on the emergency door too.


It may be a silent alarm to the front desk, and if this guy had it all planned it was probably too quick for them to react to it... if the bothered to react to it at all, thinking it was probably a false alarm or someone didn't like the movie and left.

07/20/2012 07:04 PMPosted by Fossum
Pray for the victims and their families, then go and and arm yourself.


This is not the right answer either. Putting even more bullets in the air with a few hundred panicked people running in every direction is going to more harm than good.

Guns are easy to get and some people just dont care whos buying them. Im extremely paranoid and I think every crowded place I go is going to get shot up......I suppose this gives my paranoia some credit...... :(


If you need to talk to someone about these types of feelings, there are a couple hotlines you can call any of the various hotlines available in your area. Sometimes, talking to someone when you are having a hard time coping with this type of thing can really help.

Here are some general resources:
http://www.crisischat.org/
http://www.carrotofhope.org/ptsd_crisis.html
There needs to be an alert to the main officer at the theater if an EMERGENCY door is opened. Followed by someone on duty to immediately check out the reason why the door is opened. Also, if the door is open for more than 30 seconds, the building alarm will go off.

In this scenario, the door was propped open for a very long time. The shooter changed into riot gear from the parking lot. That would take at the very least 5-10mins if he was rushing.

Having someone check out the door opening would allow them to accompany those who may be ill possibly throwing up, or are up to no good.
07/20/2012 07:51 PMPosted by Lêssín
Pray for the victims and their families, then go and and arm yourself.


Even if anybody in the theater had a weapon. This isn't a video game. I'm pretty sure people who have concealed weapons actually can't shoot for crap.

Even if they could. Imagine trying to shoot somebody. In the dark. With loud noises and panicking people getting in your way. While they have body armor and a face mask. Sure you could hit them in their leg then pray you nicked a artery. But that's not easy.

There was tear gas involved too. Concealed weapons would've been bollocks in this situation.

And even if you had a weapon. I'm pretty sure to the killer that gun gives you a "I'm a target please shoot me next!" on you. And he brought something that could over do a dinky pistol. You can't be a hero with a pistol thinking that is going to stop a maniac who is armed to the teeth and prepared. If you were to move against him, chances are you'd be gunned down just as fast as the people who tried to run out of the theater. Don't give me that "arm yourself" crap.

I'm pretty sure people who have concealed weapons actually can't shoot for crap.



And I'm pretty sure they can. I see it every week. I spend a fair amount of time each month keeping my own skills up just for this reason.

And your boy wasn't prepared. As soon as he was confronted with an armed response, he folded.
07/20/2012 09:02 PMPosted by Rashadril
And your boy wasn't prepared. As soon as he was confronted with an armed response, he folded.


Yeah after he got the carnage he wanted. Now he'll be remembered more then the people he killed. And tax payers will keep him locked up rather then just throw him into a pile of prisoners.

Apologies I'm just angry. I saw some people joking and trolling about the situation and I'm just angry. I'm not trying to attack anybody but it happens.

On the people able to shoot thing. I only said that because anytime on tv. If someone is talking about more guns for the public. They are either obviously a red neck. Or they have a clip of them shooting immobile practice targets. Doesn't seem like it would come in handy for a moving target. Even if you were trained. It's still a dark room. Loud noises. Someone in protective armor for most of the vital areas. I can only think of the groin or legs as a shoot point. And you have people panicking trying to move and get away from the bullets. I just can't see getting a good shot as something easy like so many people claim.
Pray for the victims and their families, then go and and arm yourself.


Even if anybody in the theater had a weapon. This isn't a video game. I'm pretty sure people who have concealed weapons actually can't shoot for crap.

Even if they could. Imagine trying to shoot somebody. In the dark. With loud noises and panicking people getting in your way. While they have body armor and a face mask. Sure you could hit them in their leg then pray you nicked a artery. But that's not easy.

There was tear gas involved too. Concealed weapons would've been bollocks in this situation.

And even if you had a weapon. I'm pretty sure to the killer that gun gives you a "I'm a target please shoot me next!" on you. And he brought something that could over do a dinky pistol. You can't be a hero with a pistol thinking that is going to stop a maniac who is armed to the teeth and prepared. If you were to move against him, chances are you'd be gunned down just as fast as the people who tried to run out of the theater. Don't give me that "arm yourself" crap.


1. You quoted the wrong person for that. I quoted them. Get it right next time.

2. "People with concealed carry can't shoot for crap" is a silly thought. For the record, with my handgun I've got a 3 inch spread at 50 yards. Hardly professional shooter range, but plenty to get a bullet into my target when you consider most actual situations you'd run into take place at far shorter ranges. Also, if you're trained to shoot, you can do it in suboptimal conditions just fine.

3. Part of being armed is knowing when you're in over your head and cannot handle the situation. This would be one of those.

4. It's pretty easy to tell when someone is wearing body armor. And yeah, you shoot for places that are not armored. That's how it works. To put it simply, if you ignored #3 (not a good idea), shoot him in the back of the head while he's turned shooting someone else.

5. I already said everything you said in this post already, and I did it in fewer words and didn't look like a douche doing it. Here, let me get the right quote for you this time...
This is not the right answer either. Putting even more bullets in the air with a few hundred panicked people running in every direction is going to more harm than good.


6. In a situation like this, stay low and do not do anything that may draw attention to yourself. This includes moving. Yes, it sounds counter-intuitive to say "don't move" when there's a ton of bullets in the air, but it really is the best option - he's just going to shoot you if you try to run for it. And he did.

And your boy wasn't prepared. As soon as he was confronted with an armed response, he folded.


Yeah after he got the carnage he wanted. Now he'll be remembered more then the people he killed. And tax payers will keep him locked up rather then just throw him into a pile of prisoners.

Apologies I'm just angry. I saw some people joking and trolling about the situation and I'm just angry. I'm not trying to attack anybody but it happens.


You're missing the point. He became nonaggressive as soon as he was confronted with an armed response. It's likely he would have done the same if he was confronted with an armed response while in the act. Of course, we can never know for sure, but.... if he didn't have a sense of self preservation, the shootout would have continued with the police. It's possible he was just out of ammo, but we can't know that yet and this is not as likely, as ammo is cheap and easy to get in large quantities.

A good shot would not be easy, no, but no one said that anyways. However, it would be possible.
1. You quoted the wrong person for that. I quoted them. Get it right next time.


Does it really matter? You quoted something by me that I didn't say. Bringing it up has no purpose. I was responding to the words rather then the person.

As for the douche thing. I'm angry. Not at anybody here. I'm just sick of people talking about "oh we need MORE guns" I can only agree for small crimes. I just can't see it working in a case like this.

People talk like they could've saved everybody. I disagree given how humans typically act. You could be a great shot but you're not in the dark among panicked people. Dead bodies.

I can disagree with someone without calling them a douche
Have you ever been in a situation where you've had to fire a gun at another human? I have.

If you have not, you really have no room to talk on the subject because you just flat out do not understand what a situation like that is like, and I'm sick of armchair strategists thinking they're experts.
So arguing about supposedly pointless aspects of it means we somehow don't care about the people involved? That's a nice leap of logic there, and a relatively nice ad hominm. If you're going to attack us, at least be straightforward about it.
Reality called, it wants you to know your ideal world doesn't exist.

And this is readily demonstrated by the fact that this happened at all.
07/20/2012 08:22 PMPosted by Rosenivy
Pray for the victims and their families, then go and and arm yourself.


Even if anybody in the theater had a weapon. This isn't a video game. I'm pretty sure people who have concealed weapons actually can't shoot for crap.

Even if they could. Imagine trying to shoot somebody. In the dark. With loud noises and panicking people getting in your way. While they have body armor and a face mask. Sure you could hit them in their leg then pray you nicked a artery. But that's not easy.

There was tear gas involved too. Concealed weapons would've been bollocks in this situation.

And even if you had a weapon. I'm pretty sure to the killer that gun gives you a "I'm a target please shoot me next!" on you. And he brought something that could over do a dinky pistol. You can't be a hero with a pistol thinking that is going to stop a maniac who is armed to the teeth and prepared. If you were to move against him, chances are you'd be gunned down just as fast as the people who tried to run out of the theater. Don't give me that "arm yourself" crap.


Please don't spread misinformation and conjecture about concealed carry holders.
07/20/2012 09:35 PMPosted by Joanna
Please don't spread misinformation and conjecture about concealed carry holders.


Yeah I do have to apologize for that comment. I am very sorry. I'm just angry. I nearly lost a friend to all this. And I saw trolls doing their thing on general forums. I am very sincerely sorry about that comment.

It's just where I live. Anytime I hear anything about guns it's from the red necks that live here. I know not all gun holders are like that. But that image is rather stuck in my head from having to listen to these people. So it was generalization on my part. And again I do feel bad for that comment.

Just frustrating to also know a friend could really use some company. And I'm off stuck in another state.
You live in Colorado?
07/20/2012 09:40 PMPosted by Joanna
You live in Colorado?


Arizona. I have friends who live in Colorado though. A friend of mine almost went to that midnight screening. So me and a couple of other friends all got panicked phone calls in the night.

I know I technically have no right to complain since I didn't lose a loved one or a child. But again I'm just frustrated people find this situation funny. I can't do anything to go help comfort her.

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