Admiral Rogers was correct

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C'mon, now. I may be Horde but I don't necessarily want all the Alliance to die.

I just want your stuff.
09/27/2012 05:40 PMPosted by Magdaleine
I don't think so. With the orcs and forsaken eliminated, I think the blood elves would be willing to negotiate peace.


While I disagree with his "fix", as it is not cultural for Tauren, Blood Elves, or Trolls to fight until they are no more, it certainly holds true for orcs and Forsaken.

Now, the thing about elves. I used to feel that way until Tides of War. Now, idk. I feel they're as monstrous as any other and the Alliance should wipe them out.


Not really.


Lady Liadrin says: My brothers and sisters, words cannot describe what I felt upon seeing the Sunwell rekindled.

Lady Liadrin says: In that moment, the Light revealed to me the truth of the terrible things I had done.

Lady Liadrin says: Our people had walked a dark path and mine was among the darkest of them all.

Lady Liadrin says: But the Light showed me that I was not lost. It helped me to find the strength to survive in spite of all that had happened and all the evil I had wrought.

Lady Liadrin says: It is a strength that we sin'dorei all share. It is a strength we will need to free ourselves of the addiction ravaging our people.

Lady Liadrin says: It will be the most difficult battle we have ever faced, but our resolve and the power of the Sunwell will sustain us until we have been restored to our greatness.

Blood Elf Pilgrim says: Well said, my lady. We sin'dorei will be free and we shall be great again!


There's a clash going on in Sin'dorei society, as somewhat noted in their new intro. Some Blood Elves choose to embrace the new positive changes with the Sunwell's Light, and so forth (Lady Liadrin being a prime example), whereas some still cling to the old ways, to the arcane. Lor'themar has been strangely silent when it came to Garrosh. In Tides of War, he merely tolerated him yet made it clear the Sin'dorei were simply loyal to the Horde, but not the cause. He also corrected Garrosh telling him he is merely it's leader, and not the Horde.

What truly lingers in Lor'themar's mind remains a mystery. Back in the Second War, he obliterated countless orcs, so many he was drenched in their blood. He and Turalyon considered each other as equals, and that's a pretty major claim for him to make with Turalyon. It's unknown what's his actual thoughts about Garrosh in general, and why he and Vereesa have some bad blood between them. Speaking of Vereesa...

Cataclysm showed more signs with these changes in Sin'dorei society, from Halduron, Vol'jin and Vereesa working together at Zul'aman. It was a direct Blood Elf + High Elf act for that scenario, and who knows what effects this will have later down the line.

At the end of the day, all races, humans included, have their good and bad sides. Blood Elves are no exception.
Hence the reason...

At the end of the day, all races, humans included, have their good and bad sides. Blood Elves are no exception.


Remember, despite some Blood Elves were used by Garrosh for the orchestrated plan involving the mana bomb, not all Blood Elves agreed with such a method. In fact, the Blood Knight sent by Halduron, ended up siding with Baine and Vol'jin, speaking against Garrosh's decision to attack Theramore. What happened? She was killed for "treason". Heck, Garrosh even backhanded her when she questioned him.

http://www.wowpedia.org/Kelantir_Bloodblade
09/27/2012 07:07 PMPosted by Kalissia
At the end of the day, all races, humans included, have their good and bad sides. Blood Elves are no exception.
And the Blood Elves have the great majority "bad side".
http://www.wowpedia.org/Scarlet_Crusade
http://www.wowpedia.org/Arthas
http://www.wowpedia.org/Archbishop_Benedictus
http://www.wowpedia.org/Jandice_Barov
http://www.wowpedia.org/Darkmaster_Gandling
http://www.wowpedia.org/Kel%27thuzad

etc etc.

No, all races are at fault.
Gotta look at how they would have done things back in the day. You capture a general or something for ransom...kill everyone else. There was no Geneva Convention or carebear mentality. There was kill or be killed, no prisoners.


Define 'the day', because this isn't actually entirely accurate for, oh, very large swathes of history.

EDIT:
Damn it, you got me looking into it through my uni's library. Some interesting articles and books are coming up.
09/27/2012 08:24 PMPosted by Kalissia
http://www.wowpedia.org/Scarlet_Crusade
Were completely justified in doing what they did to the Horde.

09/27/2012 08:24 PMPosted by Kalissia
http://www.wowpedia.org/Arthas
Was corrupted by an Orc, Strathlome needed to be purged.

09/27/2012 08:24 PMPosted by Kalissia
http://www.wowpedia.org/Archbishop_Benedictus
I'll give you this one.

09/27/2012 08:24 PMPosted by Kalissia
http://www.wowpedia.org/Jandice_Barov
Undead, not under her own control.

09/27/2012 08:24 PMPosted by Kalissia
http://www.wowpedia.org/Darkmaster_Gandling


09/27/2012 08:24 PMPosted by Kalissia
http://www.wowpedia.org/Kel%27thuzad
I'm not sure if Gandling was corrupted or undead, so I'll let you have him. And Kel'thuzad's another example of why the Shadow's bad, but alright.
We should totally RP sometime, on a side note :P
Admiral Rogers is the best.
http://www.wowpedia.org/Scarlet_Crusade
http://www.wowpedia.org/Arthas
http://www.wowpedia.org/Archbishop_Benedictus
http://www.wowpedia.org/Jandice_Barov
http://www.wowpedia.org/Darkmaster_Gandling
http://www.wowpedia.org/Kel%27thuzad

etc etc.

No, all races are at fault.


Kael'thas.

Ner'zhul, Guldan.

The Gurubashi Tribe.

The Amani Tribe.

The Zandalari (in Cataclysm).

Emperor Thaurissan.

there's more bad guys than just humans.
I do like Admiral Rogers, she's an Alliance leader I can really get behind.
http://www.wowpedia.org/Scarlet_Crusade
http://www.wowpedia.org/Arthas
http://www.wowpedia.org/Archbishop_Benedictus
http://www.wowpedia.org/Jandice_Barov
http://www.wowpedia.org/Darkmaster_Gandling
http://www.wowpedia.org/Kel%27thuzad

etc etc.

No, all races are at fault.


Kael'thas.

Ner'zhul, Guldan.

The Gurubashi Tribe.

The Amani Tribe.

The Zandalari (in Cataclysm).

Emperor Thaurissan.

there's more bad guys than just humans.


Yep. This is what I was trying to get at.
Interesting and relevant. The concept of treating all prisoners humanely was present in the Tractatus de Bello, de Represaliis et te Duello (c. 1360). Of course it wasn't general practice at the time, and it still isn't to this day, but the idea itself certainly had a place in the later middle ages, as well as having had different expressions in the ancient periods (in which a man was worth more alive, as a slave or peace-bond, than dead. Humane, probably not. Mass slaughter? Not if you could manage to guard and transport your captives.)
I hate Rell Nightwind. Kruze's post was spot on. I love Admiral Taylor and Admiral Rogers. It's because DAELIN WAS RIGHT all along and he inspired a generation of badarse alliance admirals. Honestly, I can't think of one alliance admiral I don't like.

http://tinyurl.com/DaelinWasRight

~WTB sexy picture of Admiral Rogers so I can write ROGERS WAS RIGHT all over it~

Culturally it was the right decision.

Humans took orcs prisoner once. 30 years later they're still paying for that.

You have to kill them all. Armed or not, orcs are just going to try to kill you until either you or they are dead.


QFT

Not sure if we have to kill all the blood elves though. Just all their nobles, blood knights, magisters, leadership hierarchy and anyone who had a hand in active betrayal and evil. Annex what's left over and make Admiral Taylor the Viceroy of Quel'thalas. The man is everything awesome that Kael'thas wasn't.
I'm hitting "Like" as hard as I can on the OP, but nothing's happening.
Sky Admiral Rogers is the best Alliance character in Pandaria, and the only alliance leader thus far who is willing to do what is necessary to actually win the battle. The Alliance needs more people like her if they want to win the war.
09/28/2012 01:00 AMPosted by Regnatia
I'm hitting "Like" as hard as I can on the OP, but nothing's happening.


I forgot to like it, thanks for reminding me. Everyone should like the OP's post.
09/27/2012 07:07 PMPosted by Kalissia
Some Blood Elves choose to embrace the new positive changes with the Sunwell's Light, and so forth (Lady Liadrin being a prime example)


Liadrin is a traitor who should be strung up from the city gates.
09/28/2012 12:27 AMPosted by Everen
Interesting and relevant. The concept of treating all prisoners humanely was present in the Tractatus de Bello, de Represaliis et te Duello (c. 1360). Of course it wasn't general practice at the time, and it still isn't to this day, but the idea itself certainly had a place in the later middle ages, as well as having had different expressions in the ancient periods (in which a man was worth more alive, as a slave or peace-bond, than dead. Humane, probably not. Mass slaughter? Not if you could manage to guard and transport your captives.)

I think the concept is even older than that. A high ranking prisoner was always worth more alive than dead. You could ransom him off. The rank and file grunt though...

It all boils down to orcs being orcs. With the tauren we could easily negotiate. They'd just go back to live peacefully in their lands. The trolls, pretty much the same thing. The goblins, hire them and trade. The belves, well, they just need a good spanking. And I mean a really good, real spanking. All of them. And then you get stuck with the zombies and big greenskins.

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