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Since Radeon HD 8000 series use same base GCN architecture (except it has been tweaked), it's likely any further drivers from AMD down the road for quite some time, will benefit both HD 7000 and HD 8000 series.
Do you think the 8000 series delays are true?
Probably. TSMC is quite terrible in terms of capacity, and -both- nVidia and AMD isn't getting their shot because TSMC wants to serve bigger customers (Qualcomm / Apple) first.
I love your guide and wanted to thank you for the in-depth coverage it provides. However, I was wondering if you would ever consider adding a section for cases? There are hundreds of different cases to choose from and they range in price from about $25 dollars to several hundred dollars. It would be nice to have your thoughts on them.

Anyway, that's a small issue. (If you even want to consider it an issue) I referenced your guide several times while I was choosing parts for my pc tonight. I love how you broke everything down and made it easy to understand. Keep up the good work.
i've not played crysis 3, but my 7950 is OC'd faster than a stock 7970 and i haven't had any game i play other than wow drop below 60 FPS with everything maxxed out. my CPU is an AMD Phenom II X4 965 black though, and wow's pretty cpu intensive, so when i get my new cpu it should be all good.
Hey Kal,

I was wondering if you can give me a quick hand. I am building a second computer for my wife to use so we can start playing together once and a while. I built a 2500K/6870 machine last year and it is doing great, so I want to get her something that can mostly perform at the same levels. I have read the guide and I am a sitting on the fence on which one I should build for her. A push in the right direction would be awesome. Here is what I am looking to do:

1) No OC. It is a part time computer that doesn't really need to be lightning fast.
2) She would like to see most/all of the pretty colors. Doesn't have to blow her out of the water, just not lag in cities and 10 mans.
3) Fairly inexpensive. I love her, but my bonus is for me.
4) It will only be for WoW and whatever silly games she plays on Facebook. I don't ask.
5) Don't need an SSD.

I have put together this on Newegg:
*ASRock B75M-DGS LGA 1155 Intel B75 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard
*SAPPHIRE 100355-1GOCL Radeon HD 7850 1GB
*Intel Core i5-3470
*G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600
*COOLER MASTER HAF 912
*PC Power and Cooling Silencer MK III 500W Modular 80PLUS Bronze
*Western Digital WD Blue WD5000AAKX 500GB

Do you think this looks good, or would your recommend one of the builds in the guide? Any insight would be great. Thanks a ton.
Just looking for some advice and must thank you Kal for these threads!
Okay, I had a former friend build my current computer in 2009. At the time it was running 1rst Gen i-7-920 w/HD 5870 1GB. It ran fine, but after a few years of dealing with BSODs and a couple of full reinstalls of Win7 I have finally reached my wits' end. I am upgrading and keeping my current case(Thermaltalke v5) 2 23" monitors..probably upgrade in future, sound card, one HDD(3TB..OMG unlocked with new motherboard xD) and peripherals.

I had a better friend(yeah...we all have those lol) recommend me some upgrades. He's an AMD/NVIDA guy. He wrote me back when I showed him a Radeon card in caps "DO NOT BUY". lol

He's got me with:

GIGABYTE GA-990FXA-UD3 AM3+ AMD 990FX SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard

AMD FX-8350 Vishera 4.0GHz (4.2GHz Turbo) Socket AM3+ 125W Eight-Core Desktop Processor FD8350FRHKBOX

CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 (PC3 15000) Desktop Memory Model CMZ8GX3M2A1866C9B

EVGA 03G-P4-2665-KR GeForce GTX 660 SC Signature 2 3GB 192-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card

I am adding a Samsung SSD for speed. Overall will these upgrades work out? I don't know if I'll ever try Crysis or anything too high end, but I'd rather know it won't need upgrading too much in a two or even three years.

Liking the 4.0GHz processor with OCing. I work in office retail and we sell desktops and laptops with processors from HP, Toshiba, Acer, etc that make me cry. 1.4 shouldn't be allowed any more and the stupid people that we end up ripping off. ><
Hi! My friend really needs help buying a desktop for wow and her 3d animation class and she needs it ASAP.
She was thinking about getting: http://www.wowhead.com/maps?data=2100:505900
Thoughts?
@Xorrach - that build should be more than enough, though you can get a 1tb for a bit more but that is entirely up to you.

@Karve - downgrade to a 8320, same chip just slightly lower clock speed for less.

Also Nvidia/AMD both are good, both have their ups and downs (check out the Tech forum to see a Nvidia problem if you get people telling you AMD is garbage). Going with AMD (radeon cards) are generally cheaper for $/performance. I recommend a 7850 if WoW / Blizzard games are your aim.

Samsung 830 or 840 pro are the recommended samsung brand. Normal 840 has a short life span.

@Barbz well wowhead link lol...Mistake perhaps?
@Xorrach - that build should be more than enough, though you can get a 1tb for a bit more but that is entirely up to you.

@Karve - downgrade to a 8320, same chip just slightly lower clock speed for less.

Also Nvidia/AMD both are good, both have their ups and downs (check out the Tech forum to see a Nvidia problem if you get people telling you AMD is garbage). Going with AMD (radeon cards) are generally cheaper for $/performance. I recommend a 7850 if WoW / Blizzard games are your aim.

Samsung 830 or 840 pro are the recommended samsung brand. Normal 840 has a short life span.

@Barbz well wowhead link lol...Mistake perhaps?

8350s are generally binned a lot better than 8320s and have more overclocking headroom.
Oh yes sorry >.<
Meant to put http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/system/Mega_Special_III/
of course the 8350 is better, last time I checked on the 8350 the price wasn't justified for the performance increase. But if price dropped then by all means go for it.

@Barbz: what programs will she be using? If she is willing to spend a couple hours assembling her own computer it will be cheaper and probably be ready sooner than ordering a desktop from cyberpower.

Something like this... unless it should be fine for now. If she is going to stay with her major (assuming again... that she will go into 3d modeling/designs and whatnot) she can upgrade later.
http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/saved/1EV25D

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/BSoh
@Aquorius
She wants it prebuilt for now, and she said she would mostly be using Maya and Photoshop. She also wants to play wow with 40ish fps and on high/ultra settings.
Thank you for your respond.
If she is serious user of Maya / Photoshop, consider AMD FX 8320 or Intel i7 series CPU, coupled with AMD Radeon graphics card.

I know she said "pre-built", but if you are capable of building it, you can build it for her. :o
** Build 2: Best build for good gaming without spending big $

CPU: AMD FX-6300
CPU Cooler: CoolerMaster Hyper 212+, or EVO, or above if wanted
Motherboard: Any 970 / 990FX motherboard, recommending great OC board
RAM: Any 2 x 4GB RAM while keeping my notes (DDR3-1600)
Graphics: Radeon HD 7850 2GB
Power Supply: ~500W rated 80 Plus Bronze certified power supply
SSD: Optional, recommending 120/128GB budget SSDs
Hard Drive: Cheap 1TB drive
DVD Drive: Cheap DVD burner
Case: CoolerMaster Storm Enforcer or similar mid-tower case with at least 2 fans

Example Build: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/uC83

Estimated cost: ~$700
+SSD cost if you choose to add an SSD.
Estimated FPS in WoW: ~50+


I like the idea of this kind of computer but do you have a recommendation for something that's Intel based?

I've never really had AMD and my friend at work who is good with computers says I should go wtih Intel.

I usually only play WoW, browse the internet, watch some movies and listen to music so nothing special. I like to run with everything on High so I can get a good feel for the enviroment, except Shadow and Liquids.
Hoping to get some feedback on this build I've put together. I've been parting it out so some of the components I already have. Thinking about finishing since I just got my return back.

I put this together with a few friends and the help of this thread, but what I'm really worried about is real estate inside the case, especially with the cooler.

I am considering overclocking, but my goal is to make a nice, air cooled system.

Components

    PURCHASED
    Case: COOLER MASTER Storm Scout SGC-2000-KKN1-GP
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119196

    PURCHASED
    CPU Cooler: XIGMATEK LOKI SD963 92mm HYPRO Bearing
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835233081

    PURCHASED
    Harddrive: Seagate Barracuda ST1000DM003 1TB 7200 RPM PURCHASED
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148840

    Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 LGA 1155 Intel Z77
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157293

    CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116504

    GPU: XFX Double D FX-787A-CDFC Radeon HD 7870 GHz Edition 2GB 256-bit GDDR5
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150605

    PSU: CORSAIR HX Series HX750 750W ATX12V
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139010

    RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231314

    BD-ROM Drive
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135252


That's what I'm looking at right now. Planning on this being an entertainment/gaming rig, so I want to be able to run Blu-ray movies from an existing library. I'd want to find a better drive for the Blu-ray, but it's a minor issue compared to my worry about making sure the major components fit.
If you prefer to not have an AMD Cpu go wtih an i5 3xxx + b75 motherboard.

@Steffon - No reason to get a 750 PSU unless you plan on doing xfire/sli.
Depending on what games you want to play... I hear if you make the jump to a 7950 you get Crysis 3 and Bioshock if you are interested in FPS games. Otherwise everything else looks fine.
Almost at the end!

Due to the revelation of latest review from Tom's, I will reinforce that you should never buy an Intel system unless if you are buying or WILL upgrade for 100% sure, to i3 or above at least.
02/12/2013 07:02 PMPosted by Chelsí
Can you specify what you mean kalg?


With today's multithreaded games, non-quad core CPUs (including Intel Pentiums) have a significant FPS hit.

So, you have to go quad or bust... or keep playing older games with poor multithreading support.

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