Why don't DKs use shields?

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I think there was a reason other than "blizz says so"
12/03/2012 07:09 PMPosted by Frozentime
"blizz says so"
They would be too similar to Warriors or Paladins, and you'd have to compete more for shields
The Lich King created the Death Knights to be an offensive rather than defensive force, and so shields were considered unnecessary.

As for why the Death Knights didn't learn to use shields after they broke free of the Lich King... between their heavy armor and their blood-based talents, they never really needed shields.
The Lich King said 'Shields are for wussies', and henceforth all true champions of the Lich King no longer used sheilds. Those that did were not true champions but rather cannon fodder and also wussies.
Shields are for protecting.

Death Knights don't protect, they destroy.
12/03/2012 08:02 PMPosted by Gibbons
The Lich King created the Death Knights to be an offensive rather than defensive force, and so shields were considered unnecessary.
Despite how there are shields that are essentially Death Knight based, as well as shields created by the Scourge? If Death Knights can't use these shields then what Scourge unit would use a high quality shield?
12/03/2012 08:02 PMPosted by Gibbons
The Lich King created the Death Knights to be an offensive rather than defensive force, and so shields were considered unnecessary.


Well this is nonsensical. Death Knights are Knights....end of story. Heck, the Argent Tournament dailies had you go up against Death Knight's with shields right outside Icecrown.

But you're close.

Death Knights are mage warriors, and blood mages.

They don't need shields because they can defend themselves with blood and frost magic. And when they can't, they can heal themselves with blood magic. At least, that was the idea(despite the fact that all specs were originally supposed to be tank specs, Unholy was never a good tanking spec and anything that made it work at all as one has been given to Blood).

I would also argue, for the fun of it, that Paladins don't need shields either, but they channel the Light into them because they're a symbol of defence. And that is a theme Paladins hold in high esteem. Swords and warhammers kill, but nothing is so holy as a shield to defend others.
Shields are for protecting.

Death Knights don't protect, they destroy.


They protect too.

Warlocks are the class that's all about destruction. They even have a spec for it.

Death Knights are similar, but it's not about destruction. It's about chaos.

And domination, and not belonging, and all sorts of other fun themes Blizzard thought it'd be a good idea to base a class around. But that's neither here nor there.
Blood DKs laugh at any attempt to put lasting damage on them and you want to give them -shields-?

Ok... Shuriken toss mitigates the problem quite a bit, but still!
From a lore point of view, player death knights are a completely disposable force, intended for the sole purpose of drawing out the forces of the Light's Hope Chapel. Arthas "trains" you (and you conveniently destroy New Avalon and the Scarlet Crusade / Scarlet Onslaught as you level up); but you're not really there to survive. You're there to kill Tirion Fordring, or at least make it possible for Arthas to kill him.
12/03/2012 09:52 PMPosted by Plagueworm
From a lore point of view, player death knights are a completely disposable force, intended for the sole purpose of drawing out the forces of the Light's Hope Chapel. Arthas "trains" you (and you conveniently destroy New Avalon and the Scarlet Crusade / Scarlet Onslaught as you level up); but you're not really there to survive. You're there to kill Tirion Fordring, or at least make it possible for Arthas to kill him.


This answer doesn't work either because there are Death Knights there that joined before the Lich King had his plan.

In a lame, not-so-subtle reference to Star Wars, Arthas comments in the starting area(when you hand in the Eye of Acherus quest) that he sense a presence he has not felt since...

Yeah.

The purpose of the Ebon Blade was the same purpose as all the Scourge: To rid the world of the living. The starting area was more about getting rid of the Scarlet Crusade, though Arthas says early on that Light's Hope is also a target. His plan didn't really form until he realized Tirion was in the area.

Perhaps if he hadn't sensed Tirion, he would have had another plan to take out Light's Hope. Who knows?
12/03/2012 10:15 PMPosted by Draile
This answer doesn't work either because there are Death Knights there that joined before the Lich King had his plan.


Yes, and there are scourge such as vrykul and giants that carry shields. But players don't. You know, the ones that were created to be an expendable force for the sole purpose of destroying Light's Hope Chapel and killing Tirion.

From the quest, "The Light of Dawn":

Highlord Tirion Fordring says: Your master knows what lies beneath the chapel. It is why he dares not show his face! He's sent you and your death knights to meet their doom, Darion.

The Lich King says: You were right, Fordring. I did send them in to die. Their lives are meaningless, but yours...
I'm not sure what your point is. You're quoting the obvious points in the narrative while I'm talking about the less obvious points. To reiterate:

-The Ebon Blade existed before the events of the starting area, as some of the Death Knights there were actually some of Arthas's original recruits(like Thassarin).

-Arthas didn't plan to sacrifice his Death Knights until he realized Tirion was in the Plaguelands, which he didn't realize until the Eye of Acherus quest.

So claiming it was his method of training is nonsensical. Why would he train Death Knights not to survive before he even had a plan to get Tirion? Heck, for all he knew before the starting area, Tirion could have died in the third war.

Furthermore, why train them not to be defensive, or to give them a slight edge? He gave them equipment and means, after all. Arthas certainly wouldn't have minded it if the Knights of Acherus were successful, and he got Tirion.

And then there's the last point...Death Knights weren't trained to use a sword right when they were raised. Some of them could have been, but there's nothing saying the others weren't already knights(or warriors) in their own right with extensive knowledge(and preference) for shields when they were "recruited".

It just boils down to the fact that 2-handed is the style they use. It can be offensive or defensive, just not as defensive as a shield...which is augmented by their style of magic anyways.

Blood magic tends to work by them hitting the enemy anyways...how would a shield help with that?
Maybe because, lore wise, death knights and scourge are so easy to raise? Why have them take a shield and last a bit longer when you can have them go all offense and wreak havoc? They'd die more quickly than with a shield to defend themselves with, but they'd do more damage and be replaced easily enough.

They aren't really meant to feel pain at all, so more armor would be pointless. Plate armor makes sense because, undead or not, if their limbs get chopped off in one swing they wouldn't be able to attack. A shield would simply slow them down.
12/03/2012 10:34 PMPosted by Draile
Arthas didn't plan to sacrifice his Death Knights until he realized Tirion was in the Plaguelands, which he didn't realize until the Eye of Acherus quest.


Arthas was planning to lure out and kill Tirion from the very beginning. That wasn't who he sensed.

"They prepare for battle - as expected - but there is something else. I sense an old enemy. An enemy that I destroyed long ago...

It matters not. We will send the full might of the Scourge against them before they have a chance to evacuate their homes and put in place their defenses."


He was talking about Mal'Ganis, who was down there in the guise of Barean Westwind.
why dont they use sheilds? because swords, plagues, undead, and magic are better at hurting people than sheilds. they are offencive weapons who just happen to be really hard to kill by their nature. assault is their purpose.
12/03/2012 10:34 PMPosted by Draile
I'm not sure what your point is.

Clearly.
12/03/2012 07:15 PMPosted by Zerde
"blizz says so"


Basically. The Runeblade (even though we have rune axes, maces and warhammers in the hands of players) is the iconic Death Knight weapon. When a Death Knight is created, he's given a runesword to seal the pact, or whatever. It's the focus he channels his power through. A 'Rune Shield' wouldn't fit with their image.
DKs do use shields, just magic ones not those pesky heaps of Steel and wood, this enables them to utilize both their hands to maximize their offense.

Deathknights can magically freeze their flesh giving them additional toughness, they resist damage when channeling their armies, can shell themselves against spells, repair tissue damage with an offensive strike that sometimes wards them against additional damage, deflect attacks with a ring of whirling bones, deflect attacks with a conjured floating magic weapon, etc.

Same effects as a shield, but using superior magic.

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