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02/06/2013 07:22 PMPosted by Genbutnaked
Mr.Rogers will win...


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You can still hate each other and want to kill each other but form a temporary alliance to kill a bigger threat.

You can have the Gnomes and Dwarves still fighting each other but their main forces are countering the Forsaken because they both recognize it's a bigger threat to them then each other.


The Enemy of my Enemy is my friend, I think the gnomes would agree that is a good idea but the dwarves are not that bright... and drunk.

Also the humans are directly connected with Ironforge so they couldn't lock themselves in they would have the same problem of the Night elves with the Worgen.


believe it or not, dwarves do happen to possess more brainpower then cavemen. So they are infact that bright.

Its a giant tunnel connecting stormwind to ironforge, explosives could easily collapse it.

Anyway, I stand by the draenei just leaving. So, in a way they'd be the true winners.


Not really they are stuck in the Nether and the Naaru dies and absorbs all their souls.



The forsaken would have access to many non-human corpses. it's clear that the Val'kyr can only raise human dead. They do not have the capability to raise other dead or they'd be doing it right now. I mean there's hundreds of dead orcs in Silverpine to experiment on. Hecular's experiments have yet to show any progress so it's not something to count upon him succeeding.

The dwarves would be able to burn the forsaken from a distance. The only way into their lands is by the tunnels. Which are easily turned into deathtraps. That mans the forsaken have to fight their way in through extremely strong fortified positions with massive casualties on their side. It's a losing game for them.

If they somehow managed to reach the gates of Ironforge, how do you think they could pump their poison through them? Those are very thick stone and metal gates. They withstood the full might of the original Horde.

As for them dropping plague in Stormwind, probably not. Stormwind has gryphon riders who would be able to intercept the bat riders.

honestly, you're giving every advantage to the forsaken and completely negating the advantages the other races have. IF the forsaken managed to fight and take out the dwarves, they'd be very weakened by the massive loss in population.


I feel like the gates would be gone after fighting with the gnomes...


With the numbers of the gnomes, if the dwarves sent their entire army down to gnomeragan, through sheer numbers they would trample the gnomes, even if they take losses. they can trade bodies on a 2 to 1 ratio with the gnomes and still win the fight.
Night elves have fought Demons and trolls, so has every other race they aren't that special.
02/06/2013 06:50 PMPosted by Draile
Also, second to the Forsaken, I'd give the edge to the Night Elves. They don't do poison and what not, but they are pragmatic and have a very old, war-based society that essentially birthed the culture that grew into Sylvanas's.


Night elves haven't fought that much. The had the War of the Ancients, then peace basically until the demons and scourge returned, and then had the same war that everyone else had.
I still uphold that the Forsaken will win.
So Ironforge and Stormwind are more powerful. Who cares? They'd be fighintg each other and the gnomes during the few weeks the Forsaken are wiping out Gilnaes (now with no aid) and the Blood Elves (already a small pop reliant on them). Hell, if Sylvie is smart she won't wipe out the BEs but force them to join her cause.

In any case, SW and IF will be much weaker.


The gnomes would be wiped out by the end of a week. Their population is miniscule.

SW has no effective way of attacking Ironforge. The tram is easily collapsed, that's a non-issue.

Neither SW nor Ironforge would take heavy losses.

I'd put my money on the Forsaken. They're the only "race" that is willing to do what is necessary to win a war with minimal casualties to themselves. They have no honor code, no sympathy, and an entire section of their population dedicated to making chemical weapons.

Sylvanas is also cunning. She would play the situation to her favour, making temporary alliances where necessary and launching surprise attacks when necessary.


You exaggerate Sylvanas' intelligence, and understate how much the other factions dislike the forsaken relative to each other.
I still uphold that the Forsaken will win.
So Ironforge and Stormwind are more powerful. Who cares? They'd be fighintg each other and the gnomes during the few weeks the Forsaken are wiping out Gilnaes (now with no aid) and the Blood Elves (already a small pop reliant on them). Hell, if Sylvie is smart she won't wipe out the BEs but force them to join her cause.

In any case, SW and IF will be much weaker.


That's still assumsing SW and IF can reach each other. With the Tram out of commission (that would be done by both sides ASAP), it's an overland march through at least three zones from Redridge just to reach Dun Morogh. In loch Modan, they have to fight their way through small easily defended tunnels. Tunnels that are way too small to take siege equipment through. So it would be foot soldiers and cavalry only. The dwarves are far more likely to have consolidated their position in the middle of the EK by controlling the 5-6 zones there, giving them a lot of land and highly defensible territory.
Honestly after defeating the gnomes the dwarves would shuttle themselves in.
02/06/2013 05:47 PMPosted by Haely
The blood elves are a nearly extinct race - their total population is only around 7% of what they had a decade ago. They can barely maintain their own kingdom, much less conquer another.


That's not fair to use population as a deciding factor to how fast they would be conquered.

Population gives an advantage but that doesn't mean you should forget the advances in Magic that Blood/High Elves have over other races. Or the fact they have the freaking Sunwell, a fountain of near limitless power.

I'm not trying to say they would win, but don't just discount them because they have an extremely small population.

Same with Gnomes in saying they could be wiped out in minutes. That's bull crap and you know it. Gnomes have amazing technology and a very high intelligence. The Technology the Alliance has is because of the Gnomes, sure Dwarves had some input but a large majority of the technology was contributed by Gnomes and who knows what else they have stuck up their sleeve.


The gnomes haven't built much if any weaponry before they decided to ad the alliance, this has been stated. Most of their population is a civilian force within ironforge, who could be slaughtered within a day. The rest, have almost no numbers. They could do some damage with their weapons, but they would be slaughtered. hell, if a steam tank/mortar contain is set up, with a shield wall in front of it, most of the gnomes could be killed before the dwarves even attacked.
02/06/2013 07:34 PMPosted by Earthbreaka
Night elves haven't fought that much. The had the War of the Ancients, then peace basically until the demons and scourge returned, and then had the same war that everyone else had.


Not true. After the war you mentioned, there was the War of the Shifting Sands, the War of the Satyr, and possibly more we don't know of.

And don't discount one important fact: The Night Elf race in WCIII was designed to be split between Sentinel Forces and Druid forces. In WoW, all the Druids went neutral.

So in quests, we've mostly just seen half the Night Elven forces fighting...and in many cases, doing well.
Forsaken win.

Kalimdor would leave the Eastern Kingdoms alone for the most part and vice versa as they'd be too busy fighting on their own continent. The Forsaken already control the vast majority of the EK's north and with neutral parties gone they would easily sweep East and then north to the Blood Elves. The BE already have a relatively small population and they were relyin on the Forsaken for aid. They'd be crushed.

With this the Forsaken would have an even larger army with more resources and would sweep south. Gilnaes would fall very quickly with no aid from the Alliance and the Dwarves and Humans down south would be in conflict still, allowing the Forsaken to easily overtake the two.

With the EK united in undeath it'd be very easy to take over the remaining outposts in Northrend and then invade Kalimdor from there. Seeing as Kalimdor would be the greatest battlefield it would just come down to waiting until all factions in the North are severely weakened to attack. With the North gone the South would fall just as easily as the Forsaken a would be massive at this point.

Pandaria would be exceedingly difficult to control due to the Sha. A mass invasion there by the Forsaken would most likely end in an immense Sha eruption that destroys the land, mqking it a wasteland.


They can't raise blood elves, so attacking blood elves would just reduce their numbers.

The dwarves and humans would not be in contact, the humans have no easy access to the dwarves besides the tram which would've been collapsed. The human aren't so stupid that they would waste all their men and resources attacking the turtling dwarves. And the dwarves wouldn't leave their easily defensible lands. The Forsaken would run into a brick wall. Perhaps they could use the plague to flush out tunnels, although the dwarves could just bomb the forsaken soldiers from the skies.
Night elves haven't fought that much. The had the War of the Ancients, then peace basically until the demons and scourge returned, and then had the same war that everyone else had.


Not true. After the war you mentioned, there was the War of the Shifting Sands, the War of the Satyr, and possibly more we don't know of.

And don't discount one important fact: The Night Elf race in WCIII was designed to be split between Sentinel Forces and Druid forces. In WoW, all the Druids went neutral.

So in quests, we've mostly just seen half the Night Elven forces fighting...and in many cases, doing well.


The Night elves also let a bunch of brute parade in their forest and can't even remove them.
Forsaken win.

Kalimdor would leave the Eastern Kingdoms alone for the most part and vice versa as they'd be too busy fighting on their own continent. The Forsaken already control the vast majority of the EK's north and with neutral parties gone they would easily sweep East and then north to the Blood Elves. The BE already have a relatively small population and they were relyin on the Forsaken for aid. They'd be crushed.

With this the Forsaken would have an even larger army with more resources and would sweep south. Gilnaes would fall very quickly with no aid from the Alliance and the Dwarves and Humans down south would be in conflict still, allowing the Forsaken to easily overtake the two.

With the EK united in undeath it'd be very easy to take over the remaining outposts in Northrend and then invade Kalimdor from there. Seeing as Kalimdor would be the greatest battlefield it would just come down to waiting until all factions in the North are severely weakened to attack. With the North gone the South would fall just as easily as the Forsaken a would be massive at this point.

Pandaria would be exceedingly difficult to control due to the Sha. A mass invasion there by the Forsaken would most likely end in an immense Sha eruption that destroys the land, mqking it a wasteland.


They can't raise blood elves, so attacking blood elves would just reduce their numbers.

The dwarves and humans would not be in contact, the humans have no easy access to the dwarves besides the tram which would've been collapsed. The human aren't so stupid that they would waste all their men and resources attacking the turtling dwarves. And the dwarves wouldn't leave their easily defensible lands. The Forsaken would run into a brick wall. Perhaps they could use the plague to flush out tunnels, although the dwarves could just bomb the forsaken soldiers from the skies.


You also have to count in the fact that if the Forsaken did beat the blood elves they would have the power of the Sunwell and the port of Gilneas, and also if it did become a turtle war the forsaken could just plague the "green" areas since they do not have to eat and wait till their enemy starves to death. Most of the time the plague is spread via Bat rider or Catapult.
02/06/2013 07:42 PMPosted by Draile
Night elves haven't fought that much. The had the War of the Ancients, then peace basically until the demons and scourge returned, and then had the same war that everyone else had.


Not true. After the war you mentioned, there was the War of the Shifting Sands, the War of the Satyr, and possibly more we don't know of.

And don't discount one important fact: The Night Elf race in WCIII was designed to be split between Sentinel Forces and Druid forces. In WoW, all the Druids went neutral.

So in quests, we've mostly just seen half the Night Elven forces fighting...and in many cases, doing well.


If the night elves get the druids back, then the humans get the argents back. and the Earthen ring shaman go back to the orcs, tauren, and draenei.



That's still assumsing SW and IF can reach each other. With the Tram out of commission (that would be done by both sides ASAP), it's an overland march through at least three zones from Redridge just to reach Dun Morogh. In loch Modan, they have to fight their way through small easily defended tunnels. Tunnels that are way too small to take siege equipment through. So it would be foot soldiers and cavalry only. The dwarves are far more likely to have consolidated their position in the middle of the EK by controlling the 5-6 zones there, giving them a lot of land and highly defensible territory.

True enough, but I don't think you give enough credit to the gnomes. Small pop to be sure, but only two ways in that are both ridiculously easy to defend as well as Hugh feh weaponry. A gryphon won't stand a chance against an airplane or helicopter. Plus they have both missiles, strike teams, and a satellite. They'd give the dwarves hell.


The dwarves have aircraft as well. Most of the tech that the gnomes have developed, they've already given out to the alliance military. Once again, the dwarves would win through sheer numbers, having more aircraft then the gnomes.
The top races to me atm seem to be Dwarves, Night Elves and the Forsaken.

We haven't even talked about the Pandas...
02/06/2013 07:29 PMPosted by Darmonic
Night elves have fought Demons and trolls, so has every other race they aren't that special.


They've survived for over 15,000 years doing it too. Which is something no other nation or race can say.

02/06/2013 07:34 PMPosted by Earthbreaka
Also, second to the Forsaken, I'd give the edge to the Night Elves. They don't do poison and what not, but they are pragmatic and have a very old, war-based society that essentially birthed the culture that grew into Sylvanas's.


Night elves haven't fought that much. The had the War of the Ancients, then peace basically until the demons and scourge returned, and then had the same war that everyone else had.


There were numerous wars the Night elves fought in. The War of the Shifting Sands, the War of the Satyrs and other unnamed but mentioned conflicts. It wasn't 1,000 years of nothing but peace.
The top races to me atm seem to be Dwarves, Night Elves and the Forsaken.

We haven't even talked about the Pandas...


most pandas are either neutral or small clusters scattered in other races cities.

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