Paladins are extremely overpowered.
Dat 1/1 wolf with the uber doom aura.
Too powerful. It's like they can stick a paladin token on every beast they summon.
Edited by Hamsta on 12/28/2013 10:30 PM PST
Ehh rush decks give paladin a run for their money easily, if you struggle against paladin try play some fast decks, if the paladin run a late oriented deck it can be hard to recover from the early pressure.
If you're having trouble beating Paladins in ranked play because they are too OP run a fast deck against them. Paladin needs a Consecration in hand by turn 4 and some type of a heal by turn 7 otherwise its too hard to recover.
Once you get into the 12 and lower you lose any card advantage and things seem to balance out a lot.
Paladins have strong options :
* they have the best board wipe, but it's a 2 card combo that costs six mana.
* They have good low cost minions
* They have good buffs/debuffs
They are poor at direct removal though (hammer does 3 damage for 4 mana) you have to fight the other minions with your minions or weapons. Your gonna have problems against anything that has more than 5-6 health. And against a Zergy player you are gonna need that consecration otherwise it's GG.
Edited by FMCorps on 1/2/2014 6:23 AM PST
Pls some of you suggest running small mininos and fast deck against paladin and some of you suggest that it seems paladins are OP only for the one who play small minions ... i don't see logic in there
Edited by Myrec on 1/2/2014 6:56 AM PST
They say to run fast decks...
Even with a good hand as warlocks, with low cost minions, in turn 4 your board will be empty.
I agree when they say that pallys are OP, they have heal, lots of buffs,divine shield,aoe dmg,a ridiculos weapon,really good disable with equality and pyro,secrets,direct damage and one the best legendarys.
And their hero power helps alot in the early game.
Nefing true silver,equality, and the heal from lay on hands would help
Edited by Icarus on 1/2/2014 11:07 AM PST
This class is actually more overpowered than mage, especially in arena. You paladin fanboys making fun of the OP will get your comeupins :D This class is extremely problematic because they have too many overpowered 4 drops. Consecrate and truesilvers straight up win losing games. Some may say consecrate is one of the worst AoE Spells, But they are terribly wrong. It comes way too early at 4 mana and if you consider the synergy with cards such as equality, Avenging wrath, or even the hero power to finish off damaged minions It becomes overpowered. Almost every class card is designed to 2 for 1 the opponent( aldor peacekeeper, argent protector, Hammer of wrath) and most cost extremely little. This class is broken
They say to run fast decks...
They have next to no taunting abilities other than through minion cards (though to be fair, it's not just Paladins). I guess that's mitigated with their healing and shielding abilities, but it doesn't really matter if you have a table full of well shielded minions if your opponent is just going to attack you directly.
Would also totally gimp the class many find the most balanced class since Paladin only really shines in healing which is a hit or miss. If using LoH can save a Paladins life vs a rush deck well then the rush deck clearly failed and the odds it should win SHOULD be very low since your on turn 8.
truesilver should be 5 mana and tirion should have 5/5 max
And why are these nerfs needed if I may ask? Paladin is not in a dominating position on the ladders at all and they are the class with healing as their thing. If you wanna nerf their healing, you might aswell nerf mages direct damage, warlocks remaining good class cards oh and dont forget warriors weapons, might aswell nerf that aswell.
It's not needed. The fact you even state the nerfs would make you "so happy" seems to question your objective point of these suggestions.
you know that is just a phrase to say.
and on topic:
truesilver is just plain stronger than all warrior weapons mostly arcanite reaper, heal is counted as half dmg so it's 5/2 for 4 mana...
and tirion is always 2 for 1 card (in opponent play wise and have silence or direct removal) only weakness of his is polymorph and hex
silence should make him a lot weaker, but 6/6 after silence is just too strong
he is as good as rag or ysera but he is only for paladins. why ? look at other class specific legendaries. they need you to use brain, not your opponent (like tirion does).
or make that sword less than SUPER arcanite reaper
and about heal nerf... ok dont nerf heal so make GoK 4/5 and LoH draw only 2 cards... ok ?
I will do math now:
7 mana and 1 card to do effect of 5/6 and 6 heal
2 mana and 1 card to 6 heal exist so you have 5 mana and 0 cards to cast 5/6
ok close to it is 5 mana and 1 card to get 5/5 stealth
so to sum it up you get one card better effect cca.
8 mana and 1 card to get 3 cards and 8 heal
2 mana and 1 card to 6 heal, 5 mana and 1 card to 3 cards (this have choose one option)
together 7 mana and 2 cards to 3 cards and 6 heal
so 1 more mana to get 2 heal ( priest hero power do less)
so still one more card cost not worth that "choose one"
if dmg is twice as expensive as heal then 8 heal = 4 dmg power
8 mana and 1 card to get 3 cards and 4 "dmg"
6 mana and 1 card to get 1 card and 5 dmg, 3 mana and 1 card to get 2 cards
7 mana and 1 card to get 4 cards, 1 mana and 1 card to 3 dmg (only to hero or overload)
equivalents are: (mana/cards/"dmg power")
7 mana and 2 cards to 3 cards and 6 heal --- -1/+1/-1
9 mana and 2 cards to 3 cards and 5 dmg --- +1/+1/+1
8 mana and 2 cards to 4 cards and 3 dmg --- 0/0/-1
i don't know about you but that card cost for one less mana and less effect is bad
and that more mana and more cards to one more power is bad too
and that equal cost for one less power effect is sad :( just sad :(
PS: ladder position is !@#$ when matchmaking will match everyone against same skilled opponents and if you will face lot of paladins you will try to play against them, but you could same against frost giant mage... play paladin now it's someone else like rogue aggro or warlock
Edited by Myrec on 1/3/2014 4:41 AM PST
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