Ragnaros The Firelord

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Hello all,

Not been playing Shaman (or Hearthstone for that matter) for very long, but I got my first legendary, Ragnaros!

However I don't think he'll fit into my Shaman deck very well, I usually buff up a large creature with rockbiter/widfury/bloodlust and hit hard to win the game.

Since Rag can't attack is he useful in Shaman decks? If so then please educate me as I would love to use him in my favourite deck!

Thanks.
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Ragnaros is considered one of the 3 best legendarys in the game.

The reason for this is that he is an 8/8 that affects the board as soon as you end your turn, someone is gonna die.
The other part of him is that if you silence him he now becomes a 8/8 creature that can attack. The only thing that works is to remove him from the game (kill it, hex it, polymorph it etc.)

The other 2 legendarys are Ysera, that also has an effect that works before it can be killed, and Sylvanas, which is one of the few cards that can get you back into a game if you are far behind.
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You could build your deck around him slightly. If you have any ironbeak owls in your deck or an earthshock, you can silence Ragnaros on the second turn he's out.

This means that as soon as you place Ragnaros, he deals 8 damage to either the enemy hero or one of their minions, then the second turn, you can silence him, buff him up with windfury and rockbiter and then do 22 damage.

He's not that hard to keep alive either, with 8 health he's pretty tanky, unless you're against a priest or something.
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Thanks for the quick responses guys!

I have already played a couple of games where I managed to get him out with divesting effects! (For my enemies)

I really enjoy using this card and I'll tweak my deck a little in order to get the most out of him like you said GreedyJuju.

Thanks for the advice.
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Ya he is worth it. Cards with immediate impact (like rag) are always a good bet.
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The Ragnaros the Firelord card is just one of Hearthstone's commercialist methods to convince people to spend money on the game. It is an unfair card that abruptly changes the flow of the game in favor of the player who plays it. The probability of winning this card without purchasing many, many packs is almost nil and one would almost certainly have to dedicate much time to win it without buying packs, if it is even possible to get it as an arena reward. It is sooo nice to defeat a player who uses this card - I usually polymorph it into a frog...
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03/27/2014 04:29 PMPosted by Ruderalis
The Ragnaros the Firelord card is just one of Hearthstone's commercialist methods to convince people to spend money on the game. It is an unfair card that abruptly changes the flow of the game in favor of the player who plays it. The probability of winning this card without purchasing many, many packs is almost nil and one would almost certainly have to dedicate much time to win it without buying packs, if it is even possible to get it as an arena reward. It is sooo nice to defeat a player who uses this card - I usually polymorph it into a frog...


Wait. Are you trying to tell me, that after putting all this work into creating a game, working out the bugs, taking effort to balance the game and creating the casual, ranked and arena environments, that after all is said and done, Blizzard is just another company trying to make a buck?

My worldview has been smashed.

I need to go rethink my life.
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03/27/2014 04:29 PMPosted by Ruderalis
The probability of winning this card without purchasing many, many packs is almost nil and one would almost certainly have to dedicate much time to win it without buying packs, if it is even possible to get it as an arena reward.


This part is true. The odds of getting him from a pack are something like 1/800. And he is expensive to craft. Of course even spending money won't guarantee getting him.

The Ragnaros the Firelord card is just one of Hearthstone's commercialist methods to convince people to spend money on the game. It is an unfair card that abruptly changes the flow of the game in favor of the player who plays it.


It is sooo nice to defeat a player who uses this card - I usually polymorph it into a frog...


Polymorph produces a sheep. Hex makes a frog. So in addition to being overblown this part of your rant is inaccurate. Anyway Rag can be great, but he generally won't turn around a losing effort. Most of the time he hits what you don't want, unless he has support minions to "aim" his shots in which case he may not have been needed anyway.
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So far this has been my experience with Ragnaros:

*opponent* BY FIRE BE PURGED!
*me* Faceless Manipulator + I got the beast in my sight *boom*
*opponent concedes*

Based on that, I'd say it's pretty good in Shaman deck :)
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I love Rag in my shaman deck, I have a gold ysera but I don't use it.. Id rather Rag.
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Ragnar is probably OP.

Im not saying it would not use it if i had one...

The longer ragnar stays out the more devastation it causes. People say fire elemental is op compared to ragnar its a baby with a squirt gun. Ragnar has a fire hose and will knock you down. Its only a matter of time before rag hits the player and after even 1 shot thats generally enough to spell disaster soon after. If you cant kill rag in 1-3 turns its probably game over. Why? They will some how some way wipe most of your board with anything they have even if it means bad trades and let rag blast you down with his firery fire hose and you just cant get back up. This card can win games.

Also its great to use sunfury/argus or any buffs to give it taunt. No one wants to run 2-4 minions into rag to kill it while it still blasting them regardless. Like many huge minions if not immediately dealt with in 1-2 turns its probably had enough effect to cause a win.
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Holy !@#$, you lucky son of a %^-*!! My first legendary was a Cenarius--worthless without enormous investment otherwise. My second was Nat Pagle--the day after they nerfed it into the ground. My third was Jaraxxus, who is again worthless without enormous prior investment. And you get a Rag while you can still call yourself new??? OK, here's the scoop: do NOT disenchant it. It is the best legendary in the game, hands down. DO build a control Shaman deck. That means Feral Spirit, Earth Elemental, Doomhammer... the works. DO play it ONLY once you have seen your opponent use their removal on your Earth Elementals. If you do this, you will win upwards 75% of your games, guaranteed by me, the DanMan. Then high-five yourself, because you just got what most F2P Hearthstone players would sell their own mothers for. You sunuva@#$%^..... I WANT THAT CARD!!!!

No but seriously though, congratulations! Welcome to Hearthstone! With Rag by your side and Shaman as your class, you have a promising career here! Good luck!
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As a shaman the odds of you actually finding a use for him past turn 8 is fairly slim. You will either control the board and your opponent is dead or almost dead. Or you are going to lose. The only high cost creatures worth the mana are the ones that can come out before turn 8. While Ragnoros has a great ability. It is both inefficient and does not have the synergy I like in a shammie deck.

I would personally use him as a trade-in for lets say Leeroy :-)

If you are a new player. Dont use him for trade. He is very useful in other class decks.
Edited by xpowderx on 3/31/2014 10:18 AM PDT
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Ive played shaman vs my friend with shaman. He runs ragnaros and cairne vs me with no legends. I still be them 1/2 the time. Hex and silence still get the job done most games. For me my games run 7-15 turns. That is about 1/2 chance to get 1 of those which I can handle 1 for sure most of the time as their only big minions besides fire elemental. I blast down fire elemental with lava (dont know how fire kills fire what ever) and save hex for those 2.

Ive beaten many decks that pulled out 3+ legends with none in mine. Legends dont win game but they sure can help.

xpowderx
As you said my friend has ragnaros an cairne in their shaman and it does not save them most of the time. Only with lucky shots does it win. The last game it won when I had 1 earth elemental and 1 totem. The rag shot my earth elemental and a i hexed rag but the damage was done and a few turns later I lost. If my elemental had not been shot down id hex his rag and pound his face flipping that situation so they would have been the one to lose in a few turns.

If i had to choose an other high mp legend instead of ragnaros id pick cairne (hard to kill) or hogger (taunt token generator).
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I'm still trying to beat Rag on solo adven. Its pretty fun :D
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Rag is a must have, IMO. Love him.
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Ragnaros is a great card. He can definitely for into any deck. Whether he'll change its win percentage depends on the deck, but it is always fun to drop him when you can.

There are a few "if this is not answered efficiently, you win" cards. He is one. Ysera is another, but she is much slower. The Russian from the 1st week of BRM will be like that.

To Dan Man: I know what you felt. Opened Nat Pagle the day after you could not redeem him for full dust. Same with Leeroy Jenkins. Crafted Cairne the day before they announced all the GvG shredders that essentially replace him. That last one was dumb on my part.
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Imnsho Cairne is still good. He's sturdier and he's more reliable than Sky Golems. And I never, ever heard anyone complaining that he couldn't kill Taz'dingo.....

Also, take a look at the date on this thread. This is BRM, guys, not Icecrown Citadel.
Edited by WanYao on 4/9/2015 7:34 PM PDT
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04/09/2015 07:32 PMPosted by WanYao
Imnsho Cairne is still good. He's sturdier and he's more reliable than Sky Golems. And I never, ever heard anyone complaining that he couldn't kill Taz'dingo.....

Also, take a look at the date on this thread. This is BRM, guys, not Icecrown Citadel.

Cairne is a better card if you have the dust for him.

Sky Golem is cheaper to craft and does more or less the same thing.

I never bothered with him for this reason, since I opened 2.
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04/09/2015 07:32 PMPosted by WanYao


Also, take a look at the date on this thread. This is BRM, guys, not Icecrown Citadel.


D'oh!

I guess all my years at necromancy school haven't gone to waste.
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