02/27/2014 01:51 PMdon't know what you mean by "Break a budget" or really what you are talking about at all when talking about budget.
Posted by Infest
The effect of the card is limited by its mana cost, and any limitations/drawbacks. Flame Imp & Succubus are stronger for their cost, because of their detrimental Battle-cry effects, for example.
Take Ony, she has 2 parts to her. 1, she is an 8/8. That takes up part of the budget. 2, she spawns up to 6 1/1 Dragons. That takes up the rest (slight nod to Dragon Tribe on Ony herself, which I don't think affects the budget too much).
I was comparing UtH to the part that is spent on the whelps. By comparing War Golem to Ony, you can see that the whelps are ~2 mana worth of the budget (approximately, because War Golem is actually under budget, but that is a little more detailed).
So, 2 mana for 6, 1/1, non charge minions. vs 2 mana for a # of 1/1 charge minions based on the enemy board. UtH can have stronger minions (1/1 charge vs 1/1, even though both have a tribe) because it is limited by the opponents board in addition to your own.
My argument is that Charge of the Hounds, at 2 mana, is a very low cost card with some very amazing abilitys when used right. Ranging from, board clear, total board presence, insane card draw, buffing creatures like the hyena to an 8/5, and even more...All for 2 mana.
Again, you are discounting the other cards used to achieve that goal, so it isn't just 2 mana.
Your comparisons use legendary cards which are difficult to attain in Hearthstone. They are more rare than rare or epic cards and can only be used once in a deck. On top of that, they can not be used until late game because of the high mana cost.
You have that druid card that summons 3 2/2s with Charge as a non legendary comparison. It isn't perfect, since they are 2/2s, die at the end of the turn, and are a fixed number, but it is close as well. By themselves, it is 6 damage for 6 mana. UtH is 0-7 damage for 2 mana.
Also again, Onyxia's welps do not have charged, don't come out until turn 8+, and it is a legendary card which can only be used once if that player was so lucky to draw an Onyxia out of a pack or craft one for the price of 1600 dust.
Again, the point was to compare the cost of the effect. Consider this, how much would you budget an ability that summoned 6 1/1 minions, no charge? I wouldn't be surprised if it ended up around 2 mana. It might be 3, but then again, it is a fixed number of minions, rather than based on the board, which is a significant factor.
'm gonna be done posting here but just wanted to make my argument that UtH seems to be too low at 2 mana. Maybe 3 mana? Maybe not... I just know I'm not the only one who thinks UtH has powerful ability with only 2 mana cost.
And those same people are making the same mistake. It isn't that UtH is too good for 2 mana, it is the entire combo package is maybe
too good for 4+ mana (depending on the combo package).
Since most of the combos are easily handled (or compare well to other classes who can do similar combos) out side of Buzzard, he is probably the best place to start looking.
02/27/2014 01:51 PMThey are dragons and I don't really know of any dragon buffing cards for 1 mana.
Posted by Infest
Blizz has already stated they have every intention of fleshing out Tribe mechanics, including adding new tribes, as well as giving more tribe synergy to pre-existing ones.