Thanks for sharing that. I figured it only got worse the higher you climbed and this confirms it. Oh well.

My only issue with Srey's assessment is that I think he is wrong about the playerbase. I think it's rather silly to assume the playerbase is large enough to support good matchmaking but they just don't want to queue up. It is cyclical. If there were enough players, the matchmaking wouldn't be doing what it's doing, and players wouldn't be discouraged to queue up.

The pro scene and even the upper-most competitive portions of hero league are just such a minuscule part of the population that even if all of them were queueing it wouldn't improve the system enough to prevent the issues Srey brings up.

Other than that, I found his assessment to be spot on and pretty consistent with what I've experienced even at the bottom end of Master MMR.

Good read.

Basically points that have been discussed for a long time now. But nothing really changed so far. It's just frustrating. The game itself seems to be in a solid spot, but the matchmaking is so ludicrous.

It's so sad and frustrating, I can't even believe the system still exists the way it is right now.

I cried everytime ;_;

Specially the low level player on your team. Just because I'm a 3k1 MMR doesn't mean I can have a lv 4 Muradin and lv 32 Hammer as a "balance" against 5 man lv 40. It brought frustrated to both I and Muradin

And all that I can say is "Well, let's call it a day ._."

Personally the only way they can fix the MM(other than abolishing the damn 360 YOLO Q which will make the game wait longer by 2-3x) is either give more players impact(which I highly doubt will come soon) so that even with the huge gap in mmr between you and ur teammates you can carry them like in dota/lol(again highly doubt this will happen) and the other is make the MM find games with people only 100-200 mmr difference between yours(which will make the waiting time HUGE(when I avoid the 360 yolo Q and it took me like 10-20 min average waiting time for each game) )

Personally I don't care about rank but hearing u getting 20 points per win then losing 150 per win sounds so stupid and I wonder why this is even happening when your average mmr should be close so you should gain almost the same amount of points you lose

Also that cherry picked game is so messed up in terms of mmr

https://i.imgur.com/TZlxf9B.jpg

10/14/2015 06:30 AMPosted by negixnodoka

Personally I don't care about rank but hearing u getting 20 points per win then losing 150 per win sounds so stupid

+1

I haven't had a quick match where even half the team was player level 40 in forever.

I haven't had a HL game where half the players aren't in placements in forever.

These are less than 6 minute queues too.

The other day I had a 800 MMR Leoric on my team against enemy 3200 MMR Kael'Thas. Their team had almost 1k average MMR higher than my team. It was glorious...

People keep saying "MMR" yet only Blizzard can see it.

10/14/2015 07:09 AMPosted by Lotrick

People keep saying "MMR" yet only Blizzard can see it.

It's OK. If you can't comprehend just move along. You will not be allowed to derail the topic at hand with your inability to overcome the thought of MMR

^ Truth.

10/14/2015 07:07 AMPosted by ABSOLUTION

I haven't had a quick match where even half the team was player level 40 in forever.

Hmm. I haven't seen anyone under level 40 in a single QM game I've played since they put portraits up. I did see one level 37 on an enemy team and we had a 38 in a HL game but other than that it has all been lvl 40.

I think the entire system is just weird since everyone seems to be having extremely different experiences.

10/14/2015 07:12 AMPosted by ABSOLUTION

If you can't comprehend

Neither can you.

Also, it is funny how some people question the MM system while "supporting" it with a !@#$ty non-objective irrelevant site's info (some people upload all their games, some don't upload at all and some upload wins only). Don't they realize that this very inconsistency is the proof that one can't trust the site?

Blizzard can into Matchmaking, you can count on that.

Same thing over n over, this time from high mmr player. This threads won't stop till it's fixed, ppl just get angry and frustrated bout this system. Nice read tho (:
Bans, MM improvment, Seasson 1 + MMR reset (keeping mmr from beta from X patches before? Like, rlly?), some higher HL req, Grandmaster rank, improved QM MM (more balanced comps) and we will be fine.

Btw, I w8 for NotPrepared to come and do his dumb trolling how HL is non-competitive and MM is ok coz it's for casuals.

this time from high mmr player.

Highest in the country in QM and HL. :-)

10/14/2015 07:37 AMPosted by Khrone

this time from high mmr player.

Highest in the country in QM and HL. :-)

maybe say region so as not to offend Canadians and all 18 people that play this game from Mexico.

10/14/2015 06:15 AMPosted by Animus

The pro scene and even the upper-most competitive portions of hero league are just such a minuscule part of the population that even if all of them were queueing it wouldn't improve the system enough to prevent the issues Srey brings up.

I think he acknowledges that he would have to wait more to get better matches, and he would be OK with that.
If he is OK with that for himself, then I'm OK with that.

Most of the playerbase wouldn't need it, but if there was an option for unlimited queue then maybe this would contribute in solving some of his MM issues (at least he would get 1 good game every 20 minutes).

On a side note, as you pointed out, when you are on the margins, your experience will vary a lot from the main crowd.
Which makes it almost irrelevant for 90% of the player base and (let's face it) a lower priority issue in terms of numbers.
(Note: very few people should be using HIS experience of the MM to argue their own matchmaking is bad - he is experiencing something completely different than most)

On the flipside, it's good to have talented people/community that can motivate poeple/advertise the game for you, for free, with great competition/great games so they shouldn't be neglected because of "proportional representation".

10/14/2015 07:35 AMPosted by Animus

Posted on Reddit. Great conversation follows. Posted on Bnet forums. Some moron is already getting into an argument about hotslogs on page 1. Lotrick just go away, you stupid, stupid person.

Followed by another needless post bringing attention to the first needless post.