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new bunker wars = old bunker wars with more strategy and less lag mixed in. Its a crying shame people stopped playing bunker wars, basically JUST because the UI changed.
Bunker wars got epic, what's wrong with some people? Can't be without their pretty colors or something? srsly?????? its not that much worse in the case of what was lost, if anything...
side note: imo, marine arena is, has been, and likely will always be worse than bunker wars.
Edited by Setho on 10/4/2012 11:32 AM PDT
I never really had a chance to play this map as much as I would like. Still one of my favorites and I really want to play. Stupid ui... How is the popularity of a map determined when it gets buried 20 pages down and nobody can find it any more. I wonder what else got buried that I didn't even get try....and now cannot try because of empty lobbies. If blizzard wants to improve the arcade ui they need a full screen of thumbnails. Like 50 maps per Page would be nice. Or fans could have a bunker wars day like Saturday or sunday night. I need a fix and I'm sick of getting owned by scourge in NWs... Although a bane bust from a sneaky nieghbor will surely get me cursing as well :)
Edited by CaptMorgan on 10/18/2012 4:11 AM PDT
Okay, something just happened to this map. I wouldn't say it was "bad," per say, but it seems pretty pathetic to me.
Here's how I view how BWC went:
Back when this first got popular:
The people: "This game roxorz!"
Me: "This is def better than Marine arena. To bad this is page 3..."
After many changes:
The people: "WHAT THE [you can guess which word]!?!?!?!?!? WHERE'S MY BUNKER WARS!?!? THAT ONE ISN'T THIS CRAPPY!!!!!! VANISHED, WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU!?!?"
Me, when I first saw the change: "Woah, I hope this isn't permanent."
Vanished: "Uh, ya, it is the same game. If you don't think this is an upgrade, tough, because I gave you guys the ability to switch around what units you spawn mid-game, reduced lag, threw in things you can destroy at will to add a twist to the battle, and then some."
The people: "HELL NO! THIS ISN'T AN UPGRADE! GIVE BACK THE GAME WE KNOW!!!!!!!!"
Me, after realizing how the changes DID improve the game: "Wow, this really is an upgrade. Guys, forget the pictures and all that useless crap, we can do more stuff with this."
The people: "WAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH GIVE GAME BACK WAAAAAHHHHHHH!!"
Me: "Wow, just wow... Vanished, I sympathize."
A few months later:
(most of) The people: "Well, looks like the game died. :( Let's go play Marine Arena or Squadron."
Me: "Hey, where are you people going...? srsly? agh, now I'm stuck with crappy stuff wrongly stuck on front page because of the popularity system... Hopefully, another good one comes up, but good bye Bunker Wars, its been fun."
Me: (Logs into SC2 and goes to the arcade). "What the? Bunker is on up and coming?" (looks at reviews)
People's recent reviews: "YAY, IT BACK, YAAAAAAAAAAAY :D"
Me: "What the? How far back did it go?" (plays a game (was second last to die. I used spectres and nukes (forgot to also pick tanks))) "oh THAT far back? I feel like an old friend has been mutilated. :( I hope this doesn't become popular again, because it really was better when I last played it... These people should be ashamed for being so attached to something that had room for improvement."
The game didn't get worse when it changed from classic to new, people just cried harder for the old stuff to get even older, and perhaps even crappier and more boring due to age never meaning quality, and always meaning that it was ultimately doomed to be completely abandoned one day, even if that day is well after the original fans all die or something.
I CAN accept that Bunker Wars: Choices is "back (as if it ever left...)," but it just doesn't feel like Bunker Wars for going back...
btw, Prototype TD is almost on the same boat as this game, since both are better than front page games, and don't get played as much, but the lack of a feeling of new in Bunker Wars as it is now will probably finish it off imo...
In conclusion, I basically think social pressure crapped things up once again...
PS: I read a thread about what a player loved about Bunker Wars. What was he saying? That none of the things he mentioned were present anymore? All of those things have NEVER left the game! How the hell did it feel otherwise for so many people?
PSS: I have no idea what Vanished is doing atm.
Edited by Setho on 12/9/2012 11:58 PM PST
Bunker Wars has the least lazy terrain out of all the maps that exist. If your idea of lazy includes procedural generation of something that normally is placed on the map to be the same every time, I would consider you very interesting or maybe mentally challenged.
Also, Setho, what I am probably going to do is give the newest version (the one people didn't like) a choice menu with pictures and add all the old perks to it. (People like pretty pictures.)
Edited by Vanished on 12/10/2012 3:45 AM PST
I'm not saying I dont enjoy the map, I am just saying the terrain could be better :P, While I understand you use randomly generated Deformers to put... ehhhh, spike? in places.. i guess, that add little to gameplay, and usually unbalance the map. :P.
I am just saying, there is much more that could be done with the Base terrain :P. if you are ever interested in Revamping your basic terrain, I am Taintedwisp at Sc2Mapster.com and Ill gladly help out a map i like.
Of course I think every map on the first 2 pages at least, have horrid terrain. :P
Edited by IShadowWolf on 12/10/2012 8:15 AM PST
This is more of a request and i am pretty sure that Vanished will likely turn me down/ignore me/criticize me for it but i am just putting it out there. I liked the afterlife feature back in the old bunker wars. It gave us something to do after we died other than just merely spectate. So i was wondering if you, Vanished, could put it back in? I am sure that me and a LOT of your players will appreciate it.
P.S. Vanished, THANK YOU FOR NERFING LEVEL UP! I was sick and tired of being repeatedly killed by op karasses that got to max level with 1 storm. Although i did abuse that XD.
Edited by Lumamaster on 2/4/2013 4:05 PM PST
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