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StarCraft Art of War - Barracks

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This week, we’re analyzing:

Terran barracks. How has the adjusted build time on this structure influenced how you play terran, and how you play against them?


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Edited by Daxxarri on 9/29/2011 7:38 PM PDT
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How I play against them?
Nope still rush +1 Armor and go heavy heavy gateway.

For some odd odd reasons however I have seen a lot of T do more early game bio pushes which I love as it's a simple as FF my ramp and then finishing up +1 Armor and then cleaning up afterwords.
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First. I honestly think it doesn't affect the metagame by a huge margin except for timing pushes and build orders that relies on specific timings to execute.

Well damn... I got beaten by an excellent timing push executed by the above poster. I need to improve my timing pushes regarding Firsts.
Edited by sceadulord on 9/29/2011 7:42 PM PDT
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I may just be silver, but I haven't noticed any difference at my level. Just 5 seconds later. I suppose a 3 rax lands a bit later.
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I see where this is going, cant wait for infestor one...
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Hardly notice it watching Protoss and Zerg get whacked in GSL. This nerf didn't feel like it attacked the problem head on. It was a good try though.
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No offense, but is this a serious question? How did a 5 in game second (2 irl second) extension change the game?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=269178

Before patch
10/11 - Supply Depot (1)
12/19 - Barracks (1)
13/19 - Refinery (1)
15/19 - Marine (1)
15/19 - Orbital Command Upgrade
16/19 - Supply Depot (2)

After patch

12 barracks
13 refinery
16 scv
17 marine
17 orbital command
17 supply

TLDR:
You make one more scv before making an orbital command.
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As someone who customs with a lot of terrans, i haven't noticed a big difference from this. It doesn't necessarily seem as though it's changed the protoss side of things more so it's changed the terran side of things in very minor fashion. It's still a slight nerf to timing attacks and early rack pressure, but it doesn't really impact it too much, and it doesn't really do that much to slow down the 1-1-1 either. The main thing i hear is the choice between one more scv or not doing anything until racks finished to get same supply OC.

While this next part is theorycrafting, so ignore it, it seems like the time nerf would have worked better on the tech structures like factory or starport then the basic barracks.
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Literally changed nothing. It's just annoying that I have to wait 5 more seconds for it to finish.
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Haven't noticed a difference.
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Haven't noticed a major difference in my play. However, I'm sure it affects the prolevel scene more.



No offense, but is this a serious question? How did a 5 in game second (2 irl second) extension change the game?


A 5 second delay on your barracks means your next MULE is produced 5 seconds later. If you postpone the OC for another SCV (16 OC), then your first MULE is 17 seconds later than it usually is. An influx of 270 minerals 5 or 17 seconds later into a Terran's build order screws things up. Over time, this will amount to bigger and bigger amounts, it's just that lower league Terrans don't notice it because we don't pay attention to timings that work by the second.
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I have found that my build timings are off, but not too bad. I find that holding out against a 4 gate is harder, since its taking longer to get my unit production buildings up and a bunker too. That part hurts a bit, but it isnt terrible.

Ultimately I don't think it is gamebreaking, but I really don't see how it is needed either. Slowing down Terran early game seems to be ensuring toss/zerg earl expo strategies work, but the metagame may show us ways around that so its FAR too early to soap box (which isn't allowed anyway :P )

Kind of amused by he blueflame nerf. Haven't seen a hellion since. Its sad, especially since they are still good harass and are still useful to have around. Suppose that will change too. Who knows.

Side Note: still loving the infestor change. OMG is it nice to not just die when infestor numbers hit 6-8 or more.
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Instead of 15 OC.

Do 16 OC with a Marine in production earlier than before. That's what I read on TL and it's worked pretty well so far for me.
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09/29/2011 07:56 PMPosted by Panzer
Literally changed nothing. It's just annoying that I have to wait 5 more seconds for it to finish.
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Have not noticed any difference what so ever when facing terran.

Zilch, nada, zip.
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