How To: Attacking.

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I used to be an extreme protoss player, but I've sinced grown bored and moved to terrans. I understand this logic, I never group more than three, maybe 4 supply depots in one area. It never made much sense to me iether about a huge supply station in one spot.
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I too will be Bookmarking this read. I am new to this version of SC2 and I wanted to thank you for posting How to Attack. It has given me alot to think about. Brings me back to old days of Table top gaming a game called War Hammer 40k. we moved our forces positioned them and planned way ahead before attacking our enemy. In the Military it is Situation/ Mission/ Plan and Execute been a while sounds close though. See ya on Battlefield !!
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The only reason why people say such and such a race is op etc is because they aren't playing how their race is meant to be played.

Zerg wins via numbers

Protoss wins via power units (and protecting them, since they cost so much)

Terran wins via versatility.

for you Zergs who are trying to out-tech a toss or terran player, LEARN TO PLAY STARCRAFT before you come to cry on the forums. Zergs are meant to out mass, not out tech.

Protoss core units are zealots and stalks, but in the mid/late game, you should be using zealots as the meatshields to protect your immortals and collosi, (maybe HT's too) and leave it for the latter 3 to deal the real damage.

Terran is meant to win via versatility and coming up with new ideas with all the options in front of you.

True, zerg early game is very limited, and in this regard I do believe zerg are slightly UP: lings, banes, and roaches. Yes, its pure anti ground and leaves the zerg susceptible to air attack. But if you're bad enough to not scout the air rush coming, shame on you, you shoud be losing, and learning from it, not QQing on forums.
Yes, terran walling can prevent you from scouting, but take in mind that the fact they're throwing a fast wall would probably give you a fair enough warning. Hell, all you need to do is sacrifice an OL if you're really lacking in the scouting department to see what they're doing. And sacrificing an OL is only 100 mins; the cheapest scout of all 3 races: Protoss observers are more expensive, and scans cost terran players 270 minerals (mule).
Zergs complain about being crushed by the early 6minute push some terrans do (a handful of marines and marauders), and I'd like to ask: as zerg, how can you NOT beat that? I know zerg players who, at the 6:30 mark, (terran troops leave at 6, arrive at enemy base at 6:30 ish), will have a fast expo along with anything from 2-3 spines, 30+ lings to 8-10 roaches and any combination of those two units is also possible. (I haven't even factored in banes yet). That is much more than enough for dealing with any force the terran can muster up in 6 minutes.
To be honest, I think banelings are highly underused (is that a word?), and are very good for the early game; particularly when Terran and Protoss have lots, stalks, rines and rauds. But for whatever reason, I rarely see them thrown at me. In most games I've played vs zerg, when they went for lings combo'd with early banes into either roaches or a tier 2 unit, I've lost. The ling&bane early pressure works wonders, and forces the terran to turtle while you can tech and mass. Banes are excellent for keeping pressure on; just send a couple banelings to attack every 20 seconds or so, and I promise you'll have the terran player on their back foot.

Terran early game units are marines, marauders, and reapers. Sure, If used right, the MM ball will counter most ground forces the Zerg can have. But when playing as zerg, you don't win by having the better units, you win by having MORE units. One of my standard early pushes is at about 6:30(which is almost the earliest, asides from cheeses) when I have 6 rines and 4 rauds. I played with a zerg friend and by the time that push got to his front door, he had a fast expo, about 30 lings, 3 spines, and a queen. So can you still complain? :P
I retreated right when I saw that army, kiting all the way back to my base, and still lost all of my assault army, and barely held off the following mass speedling attack. After a short rebuild time and getting as fast tanks as I could, my zerg friend had another expo, a large mass of lings, roaches, and hydras, along with a backdoor drop into my mineral line. GG, WP.

So, the point of this long-a$s rant is this: no race is UP/OP, its about whether or not you know how to play the race the way its meant to be played.

With all micro(kite, blink, burrow micro, etc)/spells(psi storm, EMP, snipes, etc) aside, a general guideline is this:

Zerg, you out-mass your opponent.
Terran, you out-tech your opponent.
Protoss, you out-tech/overpower your opponent.
Edited by Tailz on 9/18/2010 1:55 AM PDT
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It's kind of funny. Notice how the only people who are getting mad or writing troll/noob comments are the Zerg. I don't get it.



A: Why, as a zerg player, are you reading a thread on How To: Terran

B: People, especially Terran players, came here to read up on this stuff in case they don't know how, or don't understand how to do most of the stuff he's talking about. Hence it's called "How To" and not "Flame War Here; Please Join!"



IMHO, most Zerg use "Imba" and "OP" as a secret language, which translates to "I suck, I have no skill, but rather than blaming my loss on said lack of skill, I will instead blame it on the game." Don't hate the player, hate the game. A good Zerg philosophy I guess.



There are plenty of Zerg pro players out their, famous or not that can handle Terran just fine. Sure, it's harder, and yes, it does require more micro/macro, but to say Terran is an "easy race" that simply "clicks A with full force" is complete and utter stupidity. Sorry we can not have 3 main bases that creates 21+ units at the same time with the click of a button with only one building to make these units available. And If anyone starts crying about Queen Injection Micro I sware I'll burn their house down. >=( Not really, but yeah.



People come here to read and learn, not listen to whining Zerg players come in here and flame Terran because they are "too OP." If you want to do your race a favor, try this; Go to your own forum and post a How To: Zerg, ( which, according to most zerg players would essentially be one line saying Terran vs Zerg = GG. ) or, STFU. Either way works. Kthxbye.





I read terran forums to know their strategies... it's pretty simple really. In any event, the zerg trollers make me ashamed. I will play zerg, and simultaneously be a good sport. hopefully more of my zerg brethren out there are doing the same. Nice guide by the way.


Respect to you, Zerg player. I hope you can set a good example to the other Zergs out there. =)
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It's kind of funny. Notice how the only people who are getting mad or writing troll/noob comments are the Zerg. I don't get it.



A: Why, as a zerg player, are you reading a thread on How To: Terran

B: People, especially Terran players, came here to read up on this stuff in case they don't know how, or don't understand how to do most of the stuff he's talking about. Hence it's called "How To" and not "Flame War Here; Please Join!"



IMHO, most Zerg use "Imba" and "OP" as a secret language, which translates to "I suck, I have no skill, but rather than blaming my loss on said lack of skill, I will instead blame it on the game." Don't hate the player, hate the game. A good Zerg philosophy I guess.



There are plenty of Zerg pro players out their, famous or not that can handle Terran just fine. Sure, it's harder, and yes, it does require more micro/macro, but to say Terran is an "easy race" that simply "clicks A with full force" is complete and utter stupidity. Sorry we can not have 3 main bases that creates 21+ units at the same time with the click of a button with only one building to make these units available. And If anyone starts crying about Queen Injection Micro I sware I'll burn their house down. >=( Not really, but yeah.



People come here to read and learn, not listen to whining Zerg players come in here and flame Terran because they are "too OP." If you want to do your race a favor, try this; Go to your own forum and post a How To: Zerg, ( which, according to most zerg players would essentially be one line saying Terran vs Zerg = GG. ) or, STFU. Either way works. Kthxbye.





I read terran forums to know their strategies... it's pretty simple really. In any event, the zerg trollers make me ashamed. I will play zerg, and simultaneously be a good sport. hopefully more of my zerg brethren out there are doing the same. Nice guide by the way.


Respect to you, Zerg player. I hope you can set a good example to the other Zergs out there. =)
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sorry, accidentally double clicked the "Submit" button.
apologies for the spam.
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Bump ... because it's a great post
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I come for the strategies.

I stay for the angry troll lawls.

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Marking for later review.
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My apologies - just a quick question, as I seem to remember hearing some of these EXACT same quotes before. Are you Day9? Or do you post what he says on a regular basis? Either way, props to ya.
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yo guys just ignore those trolls and lets continue discussing terran strats. you dont have to defend from those trolls. just dont reply to them.

being a terran specialist myself, i love to improve more on my game. GJ OP for making this thread. could you also kindly elaborate on these couple of strats in my mind? are these already covered in your earlier threads? or should these be also part of how to attack?

1. slow push
2. containment
3. suicidal - basically. you just sacrifice an army to destroy key structures or an expansion
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day9 said all this
sorry
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Tallz, as a zerg player, just stfu. you can talk to me about how i play sc2 when your 'most played' race is zerg.

Now I'm not diamond, although in my hey-day first 2 month sc2 binge i was diamond 10 in 4 v 4 (i like teamwork). I've been playing a lot of 1 v 1 lately, and will be moving up to diamond shortly, and I want to tell you terrans two things.

1) We zerg are mostly good sports. Here's something else...

2) I secretly like playing Terran.

Don't act shocked. There is a reason why so many zerg players like to come to terran boards, and it is most likely because if they are going to choose another race to play other than our squishy friends of the swarm, it will be a human race.

I enjoy terran, although as a macro zerg, I am constantly frustrated by expanding, scv's exploding like chickens with their heads cut off, and how badly my marine micro sucks ballz. But I wanted to post to say I love learning terran strategies. They are varied, they are unique, the mix of units makes them so much fun to micro and harass, and they actually stand a chance against a protoss ball of death.

I read terran strategies not to learn how to play against you... my banelings will still swarm your bio ball, my mutas will still try and worker harass 2 bases at a time, my speeedlings will run rampant around the map so I know exactly where you are going... all this happens no matter how many times you say "2 rax is awesome, try this thor build, nuke em' rico...." Instead I read terran strategies to learn how to play terran, from your perspective.

I am a zerg player, always have been. But back in BW and SC1 I still loved to try terran. It is fun. Playing zerg is stressful, when you lose your entire army ALL THE TIME and are scrambling to win... its why I like it so much. But I cannot play terran as a zerg would play it... and so I must learn from you.

I'm not learning against you, I'm learning from and for you. There is a difference.

I will always be for the swarm, but my guilty pleasure is !@@!*-slapping a muta ball with just two thors. Thank you for the guide, I will be studying it to learn how to play terran better, from a terran perspective.

I appreciate it Beammeup. Good luck to all of you (except protoss).
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Very good post, helped a lot :)
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This Needs To Be Stickied!!!!!!! Thanks for all the info!
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Great guide, very helpful for players trying to get better at the game.
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Beam, go more in depth. Although those things aren't so obvious to lower level players, it isn't to say that attacking is narrowed down to those and only those.

Next one should be How to: Attacking Advanced
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