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You missed a comma in that sentence, Mr. English Teacher. :D
Frankly I'm not concerned with how much of an expert he is in this sub-culture
Frankly I'm not concerned with the opinions of someone that out of hand dismisses people with demonstrably greater expertise than themselves in just about any area. I didn't mean to imply that you were not entitled to say whatever pops into your head, you can say whatever you want but the fact that your brain thinks something doesn't make it true, if you don't care what the truth is then you're entitled to do so, but from the outside looking in at your response you just look like someone offended by the notion that a game they enjoy might have high level strategic 'flaws' and for reasons I don't profess to understand have decided to refuse to consider any of the points raised in the OP on their own merits and instead launch an ad hominem at their author.
I don't understand why the suggestion that SC2 might be flawed in some ways, specifically at the competitive level, which to put it bluntly you never even partake, personally offends you, but clearly somehow it does. I just thought it might concern you to know that if you're going to speak out on such matters in the way while attached to an account in silver or gold league then you're just coming across as foolish and hubristic to anyone that knows what they are talking about. If you do not care that you come across in this way then very well, I've wasted some words attempting to inform you, so be it.
Edited by Spinoza on 9/26/2012 7:33 PM PDT
Hello everyone, I posted yesterday a blog on teamliquid.net about my retirement:
I feel you OP but this was pointed out since the BETA of WoL, if they aren't changing any of it in HotS BETA that means those "flaws" some may call improvements are here to stay and i think is cool i wouldn't want BW with nicer graphics, BW will always be there, plus Blizzard is likely not gonna change anything drastically specially since KESPA joined in with sc2.
Spinoza, you're my hero.
Anyways, I think the people who reject this criticism need to rethink that rejection. Criticism is the heart of refinement. If we don't criticize and analyse SC2, it will never get better. We have to admit that it probably isn't perfect and be open minded when someone highlights what they think is an issue or a solution. Being offensive will only ensure that the game does not improve. I'm not saying Super is right, but we definitely should take the arguments seriously instead of brushing them off.
great post and great points OP, you are absolutely right. SC2 has been truly disappointing. the amount of know-nothing SC2 players desperate to cut you down is quite staggering. they try to relabel as virtues the deep flaws that make the game boring, unskillful, and linear.
thank you for your maps and glgl~~
Correction: You have wasted your words attempting to make fact from that which is limited to a single opinion. None of the points he made are detrimental to the overall good time. People like to watch strategists play/partake in playing each other and capitalize on individual/mechanical flaws.
Hello sir, don't know who you are however I read the entirey of your original post and agree with almost all points. I just logged in to personally say that I think iCCup TestBug map is my favorite Solo-Map and it's awesome. I just enjoyed the bases, the way it played, the open-ness of the middle, and how you eventually kind of had 2 players fighting for that 3rd base. Really cool stuff, sucks too see you go but SC2 is such garbage with the maps and a lot of the things you touched base on. It's hiliarious with your kind of knowledge that people are downplaying it because your not some pro-gamer level skill.... The problem with Starcraft 2, is that you have Dustin Browder and David Kim making 3 starcraft games total for SC2. I really think you could put Artosis, Incontrol (yes he has good ideas), & Day9 in a room and they would produce a far superior product.
You're probably better off for retiring and putting your talents into something more useful. Goodluck.
The topic creator is another weak willed player. I'm not going to say I am better then him or anything. I do thank him for his work on the maps. However, it's clear that he has hit a wall. His skill has hit a wall and he has to overcome it. Everyone runs into these walls and it takes a lot of practice, perseverance and hard work to overcome them. Some people cannot accept that it is their fault when they lose most of the time and they look for other factors to blame. This topic creator is one of those people. Ultimately though, until at least a fairly high level of the game(low Masters) nobody should be complaining. Since there's so many flaws in their play that they need to fix in order to improve. Many people cannot overcome the walls they run into.
Numerous players out there don't want to seriously try to get good at the game. It's made clear when people try to complain about other factors in games making them lose. When in the end it's all irrelevant. Players hit that skill wall and have a hard time breaking it down or getting over it. Becoming good at a game requires you to be so proficient that even if someone uses whatever imbalance is out there it still will not be enough. A truly good player will not be defeated due to imbalances. I'm not encouraging poor balance, but SC2 is at the least pretty well balanced. I used to be like a lot of people out there who raged and complained about the game being unfair. Yet, in the end it doesn't matter until you're near the very top of something.
The game will always be imbalanced. Even if only by a slight margin. In the end, the truly good players will be made clear. They will be the players who strive to become so great at the game that balance will not even matter anymore. Unfortunately, a lot of people don't want to put in the hard work and practice needed to become great at the game. They run into obstacles along the way and are discouraged. This map maker topic creator is one of those people. People who blame the game for their losses. When it's not the game's fault they lost most of the time, but rather their own. However, people want to look for anything, but themselves to blame upon losing. Some people cannot come to the realization that most losses are their own faults. Anyways though, good luck and maybe hopefully you change your opinion someday.
Edited by Cerberus on 9/26/2012 8:53 PM PDT
I can't believe how disrespectful you all are. This is a man that has shaped the SC2 metagame with his maps for a majority of the eSport's life. A lot of you idiots are saying "good riddance with your balance whining" and seem to be under the impression that he is just a noname ladder player whining. The fact is, his impact on the scene is far greater than any of you plebs in this thread. He was announced his retirement (from MAPMAKING, you idiots) and was asked for his reasons. Here, he gives them, and all you clueless and ignorant nonames bash on him for balance whining. Please.
quoted for truth
all of you people who can't even understand why he posted proved you have the intelligence of a baboon (the target market Blizzard designed this game for so no surprise there)
you are nothing but a bunch of sad, pathetic lowlives who just go on the net to insult people because, guess what, most of you wouldn't have the guts to do it in real life, where the guy you insult would have a chance to teach you the lesson your parents obviously didn't
he's not talking about balance, or discussing it, you idiots, just why he's quitting,
and like others said he contributed more to the game than you scumbags ever will, and understands it more than most of you ever will understand anything at all
the day you guys quit the game will be the best time to say
superouman, thanks for the maps, good luck with whatever you'll do....
and while the game can be fun also as it is, you made some good points,
they wanted to make it easier than SC1 but they also turned it into a joke and
it's only a shadow of what it could have been in the hands of better designers
(rock/paper/scissors is more like it, that and deathballs=death of strategy)
fun maybe, but strategy, creativity, nope... if you think it's such a sophisticated game or even a sport (what a joke) you are sorely deluded, it's just a well thought out marketing gimmick
(Easy game which still creates the illusion of actual skill...)
Bye Superouman, gl
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