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Why didn't Kerrigan infest Raynor?

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Why I think Kerrigan would not infest Raynor:
1. While he loves her, he basically hates zerg in general. Kerrigan loves him, and would respect him on this.
2. The risk would be too great, as infesting a non-psionic like Raynor most likely would cause him to lose his mind. I refer to the section under the title "Kerrigan's Experiemnts" from this article found at the Starcraft Wiki: http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Infested_terran

Having said that, if both Kerrigan and Raynor survive Amon, I see no reason for them not to be together even if Kerrigan stays as the PQoB, as long as they work out their differences (and Kerrigan might as well hand over the Swarm to Zagara if she needs to).

And when it comes to genetical incompatibilty: Procreation is not what I would aim for when saying this, but if Dehaka stubbornly says "I can evolve armor! I can evolve claws" then why should't Kerrigan as a Primal Zerg be able to evolve whatever she needs to have an intimate relationship with Raynor?

Otherwise, they could also stay together as close friends.

Raynor's goal of killing Mengsk has been met, and as he said to Matt after freeing Tosh's brethren: "You'll see that future. But it ain't for the likes of us", in which I interpret that Raynor doesn't have any big goals in helping rebuild the future (or the Terran Dominion) now that Mengsk is gone.


That's just it for the Raiders. Their entire formation was only to rid of Mengsk's tyranny. With him gone, there's no need for the Raiders to exist anymore.

The bigger problem, if Kerrigan walks away from the swarm, is that there's no telling what would happen with the new Zerg leadership.
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Raynor's not psionic.

infesting him would be a waste of time.


Neither was Stukov.......
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Raynor's not psionic.

infesting him would be a waste of time.


Neither was Stukov.......


Yeah but Stukov had been cured by the Protoss nanites (at least temporarily). Narud wanted to study its effects.
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04/29/2013 07:37 PMPosted by Nukester
She wouldn't want to turn Jim, best man ever, into a monster.


Oh yeah, the drunk that has 1 pair of cloths.


What are you talking about?
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Judging by Ethan Stewart, it is very much possible to control the "infestation".

Besides, what is the definition of "infestation"? If Kerrigan tells Raynor: "Honey, you really should drink less but if you choose not to your liver will fail shortly. Would you like a new and improved one? Also, Abathur suggested a modified neural parasite that can neutralize most substance addictions. Would you like to try it?"
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I've mentioned this in a previous thread, that infesting Raynor would be a betrayal to his character. He would lose what makes him Raynor.

04/29/2013 02:49 PMPosted by ragnarok
Neither was Stukov.......

*looks at Stukov* You want to do that to Jim? I don't think Kerrigan would ever take a risk like that with Raynor.
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I've mentioned this in a previous thread, that infesting Raynor would be a betrayal to his character. He would lose what makes him Raynor.

Neither was Stukov.......

*looks at Stukov* You want to do that to Jim? I don't think Kerrigan would ever take a risk like that with Raynor.


So what to Jim, exactly?
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Judging by Ethan Stewart, it is very much possible to control the "infestation".

Besides, what is the definition of "infestation"? If Kerrigan tells Raynor: "Honey, you really should drink less but if you choose not to your liver will fail shortly. Would you like a new and improved one? Also, Abathur suggested a modified neural parasite that can neutralize most substance addictions. Would you like to try it?"


Yeah, but he was infested against his will anyway.

You have to remember that back then, Kerrigan conducted experiments on hundreds of thousands of terrans, and almost ALL of them turned out horribly. Ethan Stewart simply got lucky.

Kerrigan knows that if she tried this on Raynor, there's no guarantee he'd get lucky...
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Raynor's not psionic.

infesting him would be a waste of time.


Neither was Stukov.......


I don't know about the first time he was infested, but this is what Abathur and Kerrigan spoke about when meeting him on Skygeirr Station:
- Organism Stukov fascinating. Implications disturbing.
- How so?
- Modifications of Stukov second only to modifications of Primal Queen of Blades. However, Stukov product of specific design. Interweaving of terran and zerg matter, subtle. Spun on microscale not possible for Swarm.
- Something out there is better at this than you, and you don't like it.
- Entity responsible for Stukov exceeds organism Abathur. Untenable to oppose. Recommend immediate introduction into foreign entity's Swarm.
- Never.

Stukov was Narud's work, not Abathur's/Kerrigan's.
Edited by Sygnious on 4/30/2013 9:56 AM PDT
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Neither was Stukov.......


I don't know about the first time he was infested, but this is what Abathur and Kerrigan spoke about when meeting him on Skygeirr Station:
- Organism Stukov fascinating. Implications disturbing.
- How so?
- Modifications of Stukov second only to modifications of Primal Queen of Blades. However, Stukov product of specific design. Interweaving of terran and zerg matter, subtle. Spun on microscale not possible for Swarm.
- Something out there is better at this than you, and you don't like it.
- Entity responsible for Stukov exceeds organism Abathur. Untenable to oppose. Recommend immediate introduction into foreign entity's Swarm.
- Never.

Stukov was Narud's work, not Abathur's/Kerrigan's.


I know that, which proved Narud used a different form of infestation, nothing more.
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Stukov was Narud's work, not Abathur's/Kerrigan's.

Originally, Stukov was infested by a Cerebrate named Kaloth. The "interweaving" would have to have been done when the Protoss cure was failing.
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Raynor's not psionic.

infesting him would be a waste of time.


Neither was Stukov.......


Stukov served a practical purpose to kaloth, raynor does not, raynor's only job descriptions are "rebel" and "marshall"

Furthermore he hates zerg, so it's a moot point anyway, nothing supports this idea.
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Neither was Stukov.......


Stukov served a practical purpose to kaloth, raynor does not, raynor's only job descriptions are "rebel" and "marshall"

Furthermore he hates zerg, so it's a moot point anyway, nothing supports this idea.


What WAS the purpose to Kaloth anyway?
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Well if anyone wants a tactical reason as to why Kerrigan would want an infested Raynor provided his mind is intact I'd actually say there is a very good reason. Tactics. Kerrigan is a very intelligent woman with a tactical mind but she's prone to fits of rage or has been ever since she was turned into the Queen of Blades. Even after WoL Flashpoint and Heart of the Swarm make it fairly clear those fits of rage are still an issue. Kerrigan is also really bad for relying on her power rather then thinking of a more mundane solution.

A good example coming from Queen of Blades. When Kerrigan is hunting the protoss on Char she's having a very difficult time of it. They even use her impatience to bait her into a trap. Raynor on the other hand is able to track the protoss using standard tracking techniques.

You also see that temper in heart of the swarm when Velarian tells Kerrigan he won't risk failure because she's impatient.

I feel fairly comfortable after reading Flashpoing, playing WoL and HoTS saying Raynor handles stress a good bit better then Kerrigan and has a calming influence on her. Having such a person near by is typically a good thing for a leader to have.
Edited by Inprea on 5/1/2013 5:38 AM PDT
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Well if anyone wants a tactical reason as to why Kerrigan would want an infested Raynor provided his mind is intact I'd actually say there is a very good reason. Tactics. Kerrigan is a very intelligent woman with a tactical mind but she's prone to fits of rage or has been ever since she was turned into the Queen of Blades. Even after WoL Flashpoint and Heart of the Swarm make it fairly clear those fits of rage are still an issue. Kerrigan is also really bad for relying on her power rather then thinking of a more mundane solution.

A good example coming from Queen of Blades. When Kerrigan is hunting the protoss on Char she's having a very difficult time of it. They even use her impatience to bait her into a trap. Raynor on the other hand is able to track the protoss using standard tracking techniques.

You also see that temper in heart of the swarm when Velarian tells Kerrigan he won't risk failure because she's impatient.

I feel fairly comfortable after reading Flashpoing, playing WoL and HoTS saying Raynor handles stress a good bit better then Kerrigan and has a calming influence on her. Having such a person near by is typically a good thing for a leader to have.


If Raynor and Kerrigan survive LoTV and choose to stay together, I see no need for infestation for this tactical advantage.
Unless both want Jim's mind to be linked to the Swarm and/or her...which I then again imagine might be possible without infestation?
Edited by Sygnious on 5/1/2013 10:20 AM PDT
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If Raynor and Kerrigan survive LoTV and choose to stay together, I see no need for infestation for this tactical advantage.
Unless both want Jim's mind to be linked to the Swarm and/or her...which I then again imagine might be possible without infestation?


Well the only real reason would be to extend Jim's life to match Kerrigan's natural life span if she remains the PQoB. Kerrigan is quite capable of forming a mental link with Jim. It's especially demonstrated in Queen of Blades in which she can easily allow Jim to see through her eyes and even experience her own emotions. She also seems to be able to play with his dreams either making them very pleasant or nightmares.

Before Jim begins fighting alongside the protoss she's fairly nice about this giving him very pleasant dreams. When he sides with them and she gets a bit vindictive.
Edited by Inprea on 5/1/2013 1:08 PM PDT
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Just a thought. Would it really be necessary for Kerrigan to turn Raynor into a zerg to extend his life span? I can't help but think back to Niadra and what Kerrigan showed with her. Infestation isn't the only answer. Perhaps instead of making a zerg that consumes its host from within she could work on developing a symbiotic zerg that would monitor it's host environment and work to maintain it. Considering that the zerg are designed on the cellular level it should be possible to design it so that the symbiont could even detect and repair genetic damage.

Raynor might have to have a few internal organs replaced but it wouldn't require tampering with his genetics and should be much safer. If she's comfortable using human methods she could even perform some in vitro test and perhaps some in vivo on Terrans she doesn't value as much as Raynor.
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Just a thought. Would it really be necessary for Kerrigan to turn Raynor into a zerg to extend his life span? I can't help but think back to Niadra and what Kerrigan showed with her. Infestation isn't the only answer. Perhaps instead of making a zerg that consumes its host from within she could work on developing a symbiotic zerg that would monitor it's host environment and work to maintain it. Considering that the zerg are designed on the cellular level it should be possible to design it so that the symbiont could even detect and repair genetic damage.

Raynor might have to have a few internal organs replaced but it wouldn't require tampering with his genetics and should be much safer. If she's comfortable using human methods she could even perform some in vitro test and perhaps some in vivo on Terrans she doesn't value as much as Raynor.


The Q is would Raynor actually want that or not. I mean yes by the time of HotS, Kerrigan is all he's got left, but still...
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Just a thought. Would it really be necessary for Kerrigan to turn Raynor into a zerg to extend his life span? I can't help but think back to Niadra and what Kerrigan showed with her. Infestation isn't the only answer. Perhaps instead of making a zerg that consumes its host from within she could work on developing a symbiotic zerg that would monitor it's host environment and work to maintain it. Considering that the zerg are designed on the cellular level it should be possible to design it so that the symbiont could even detect and repair genetic damage.

Raynor might have to have a few internal organs replaced but it wouldn't require tampering with his genetics and should be much safer. If she's comfortable using human methods she could even perform some in vitro test and perhaps some in vivo on Terrans she doesn't value as much as Raynor.


You think that would work against dementia in his head too, as he grow older?
Edited by Sygnious on 5/1/2013 1:47 PM PDT
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