06/22/2013 07:11 AMThis might come as a shocker, but people come to this forum to discuss the game. Your position basically boils down to "stop ruining my gameplay experience with your logic".
Posted by Gradius
No, it doesn't. I don't think you should try and ruin the experience for people who enjoyed it. I'm fine with discussing the flaws of the game, but when it's turning the entire forum into a negative cesspit, then something's up. People shouldn't feel like they can't say that they really enjoyed a certain character, or moment etc without someone ramming their opinions as to why said character or moment was terribly done down their throat. As I've said, there are other franchises out there with stories that have as many, or even more problems than SC, but the fanbases simply aren't anywhere near
as negative as this game's fanbase. It's quite bemusing as a relative outsider looking in.
I don't think so. Terminator 2 was actually decent and didn't treat its audience like children. It's disingenuous to pretend that Terminator 2 has anywhere near the amount of flaws as SC2. You're basically trying to dismiss & handwaive away countless of well thought out arguments because you don't like criticism, and it should be considered a form of trolling.
In other words, opinion, opinion, opinion, opinion."T2 was actually decent", yeah well people think SC2 is actually decent too! I also don't think the SC2 story treated me like a child. I've never tried to say that they have an equal amount of flaws, I was simply pointing out that if you can bore into a genre classic like T2 and nitpick away at tiny details like you do with SC2, then it makes a lot of your concerns look silly and petty.
I'm not trying to handwave away arguments, I've addressed a lot of what you've had to say on other topics in other threads (some of which you just dropped, e.g. our discussion of the manual and SC1), my concern remains, which is my point, over just how ridiculously
critical you are. It's fine to be critical, but to take it to the extreme in nitpicking at every last detail of a story, that's going beyond criticism into outright hate.
And trolling? Yeah, not even going to bother arguing such a ridiculous throwaway statement.
1) Terminator 2 is a cheesy 80's movie, not an "epic sci-fi" as Blizzard keeps calling SC2 at BlizzCons. Arnold movies are basically comedy relief, and people are simply going to not care about retcons. This is completely different from the zergs' entire backstory being rewritten.
See, you have this position because of how ridiculously invested you are into the franchise. You view T2 as a cheesy 80's movie (even though it's from '91)? The fans of the franchise certainly don't. Neither does the director, who views it as an exploration of humanity; human values and what it means to be human. What do most people view it as? A kickass sci-fi action movie with Arnold beating the crap out of everyone. Most people wouldn't even be aware of how Cameron sees the movie himself, neither would people be aware of how Blizzard describes SC2. Nor, for that point, are Blizzard going to describe SC2 as "a hokey sequel with a crappy story, don't buy it lololol". Of course they're going to do their best to sell it.
To most people out there, SC is that game where space rednecks, mystical space elf things and rip-offs of the Xenomorph from Alien fight each other. I.e. they think it's pretty cheesy.
2) Nobody denies the existence of retcons in T2. And if they do, what, should we ignore them because telling them that they're wrong is "rude" or "harassment"? Good god, it's not like we're telling children that Santa Claus doesn't exist. -_-
No, nobody does, but there also isn't a section of the fanbase continuallywhining over the fact that they exist and that the movie is based on a retcon
3) T2 wasn't perfect, and maybe James Cameron should have taken five minutes to read the T1 script. It's not like popularity is any indicator of quality, so stop pretending that it is. His latest movie (Avatar) is a testament to this fact.
I'm not only referring to popularity, it's loved by critics, sci-fi fans, action movie fans etc.- it's considered a sci-fi classic. Avatar's a great example of what T2 isn't- Avatar's reviled by a lot of sci-fi fans despite its general populatrity, T2 isn't.
And no, T2 wasn't perfect- that's the point. It's widely loved despite being flawed (yes, less so than SC2), despite its retcons, character breaking moments, cheesy dialogue etc.