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@WrathofShane: Ok if I take that idea?

@WrathofShane: only problem with using them as a counter to a bioball, if its marines, then the marines will outrange them and take atleast 1 or 2 out before the hellbats can be in range. I recently played a match of TvT and both of us has MMM and what made the difference was I sent in 4 medivacs and landed 8 hellbats in the middle of the army. Same thing happened against a zerg player massing hydras. try it out, its sorta like dropping banelings. Since most armys try to focus the forces inside the army will go unnoticed for a while. Which 5 seconds doesn't seem like much, but a lot of damage can be done.

i just noticed some units exist only in campaign

@ElChantos: Yeah, the campaign is good for players who have bittersweet memories of SC1 and SC1.5 (as I sometimes think of Brood War). But not only did the Hellion force the Vulture into obsoletion, but the Firebat as well. No wonder the GameFAQs guide on upgrades is against the V and F while recommending both Hellion upgrades.

@Thunderwing: Inferrno, TERRORIZE!!!!!

@FalleN: Maybe because Hellbats have that close range advantage in addition to needing 3 tank shots to die. Almost a shame though that they are weak against the same units in either mode.

@FalleN: I also just noticed that it does not say Hellbats are strong AGAINST siege tanks, but WITH them.

@defeatable: DUDE HELLIONS ARE THE BEST UNIT IN THE GAME!!!
They can DESTROY...

zerglings
marines
zealots
workers
hydras
high templars (lol)
broodlings (broodlord combat support)
and of course infested terrans...
... or other hellions...

@defeatable: I think it depends on how you use them in combat. Even though they cannot fire while moving, the damage and resource cheapness is formiddable.

Come to think of it, this makes me wonder why the Hellion was not designed to attack while moving and their is a campaign-only unit (Diamondback) that CAN do that while having almost no other use. After all, the Hellion has a graphic design that could be highly complemented if it could use its flamethrower as it moved. The area damage concept would be even more respectable as well.

@Fusion: Dude, they're only weak if you have a few of them.

@ThePraetor: Reapers are better
Reapers go up cliffs

@paprika: good point, but reapers cost vespene wile hellions don't and their faster

@paprika: reapers lose their value when you get into bronz... by gold they are a forgotten unit. Hellions on the other hand.... can go pew pew pew to zerg.

@thecurrupted: If there is a cliff near there base then reapers pwn normal combat not so good. They might have been forgotten so use them as a surprise tactic and jump 8 or so into the back of their base.

@thecurrupted: I use reapers every single TvT for my reaper expand into mech. I haven't lost a TvT in a long time.

@thecurrupted: I like to combine them in early games to harass. Reapers on the mineral line and Hellions on the defense, then bring in marines to finish the job.

@PotatoLiSK: LOL I usually have tvp cuz people love protoss

@KeeGeeBee: every one knows that helions are wayyyyy beter than fire bats and they dont die as fast

@Mappy: well firebats can go into bunkers and are easier to get then hellions an firebats are of a different armor class and have more hp so its speed or safety

@ZardBrood: firebats are harder to get since it is tech lab while helions are reacter units. even with the upgrades firebats have terriable range so their face is right in frount of the enemy fireing range so they die in seconds if u are up against any sort of tech added. helions cost min only while firebats need some gas and in multiplayer firebats cant kite, runby raid, or be cheesed and built in massive numbers. also in multiplayer blueflame is alot better than 4 range firebats against chargelots. in campagne helions are just plain beast with buleflame and flame width and their 5 range gives them a more survival rate than firebats.

@KeeGeeBee: vikings ground attack could be like the fire bat!

@NinjaNoob: No... then there would be rush vikings vs zerg.... take out all the ovies and land em to take out the army. right before one dies you pick it up and have it kill more ovies.

@thecurrupted: hmmm... roaches? no ur right would need to be balanced

@KeeGeeBee: Well, theres the hellbat which the hellion turns into, but...

@ZardBrood: Let's just face it, Hellions are inexpensive, very mobile, good at rushing, and are awesome. Fire bats on the other hand, are just tanky.