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Sorry to say, I worked hard and got loremaster before WoTLk was even released. It was a pain to get then, and I don't envy those of your working towards it now as you have many more areas to complete. Make sure that your low level quest tracker is checked on the mini map and repeated check your bags for quest giving items. Best of luck to you all

!@#$ing hell

I wish this Achieve had better reward. Tabard is crap. Title not a big deal. Maybe some kind of heirloom item.

Too bad this didn't apply to "The Exalted"

Just two weeks ago I was at 2248 quests. I just finished 630 quests in Cata therefore I should have a total of 2878. Yesterday it registered 2677 and today it is at 2038 that is a loss of 850 quests please explain?

PLEASE HELP!!! I have been working on Loremaster forever! I am 1 quest away and missing it in Nagrand. I've completed all the "hard to find" quests including the escort, quest items, and rare quest giver at Nesingway area. According to Wowhead I have 87 quests in this area complete but my achievement log only tells me I have 86. Also, I have a friend that has this achievement with only 85/87 quests complete.
I researched quests I havent completed and the one I dont understand is "He called himself Altrius..." I have this entire chain complete except the first quest. How could this be?
I've written emails and in-game tickets to GMs. What do I do?!
http://www.wowhead.com/profile=us.black-dragonflight.lol%C3%A4

"To Sum it all up you will NOT be repeating the same quests". This is not true, as I am repeating the same quests as we speak. The Cape of Stranglethorn Quests are quite memorable to me, expecially finding Dizzy's eye and the Heart of Mulok (sp). I am not enjoying this, especially as I have not upgraded to Cata as I wanted to wait for the bugs to be 'solved'.

Something is def rotten in Denmark. Depending on which zone you are in, the quest counter flip flops. At some points, I have 2800 quests completed and other just over 2000. I do truly believe that Loremasters are the bread and butter of the game. And probably the most neurotically addicted players as well :) I think you can chalk all this up to Blizz wanting to get Cat out the door for the Holidays and leaving MAJOR bugs and holes in questlines out there is just one of the problems players will face in this rushed endeavor. Its not easy to change the whole dynamic of WOW, but hey, that's a programmers/designers/writers job. Our jobs aren't easy either! Very sloppy work with no accountability. 13 million people keep on playing all the same....including myself!

I can at least understand why the quest counters decreased for each loremaster achievement, but why, WHY does the overall quest counter need to be reduced? I am very disapointed that Blizzard apparently has no respect for the amount of time and effort people have put forth. Prior to the change I was at 1400 quests complete, and it now sits at just over 900. I even still have the achievement recorded for 1000 quests complete. This makes no sense and I think it's just laziness on the part of blizzard to step in and fix the programming to make the overall quest counter be accurate.

This is just ridiculous I did every quest there was in Ungoro Crater while getting my Ravanasour (Both spelled wrong) and now I have 3. Why would I want to waste an afternoon one shotting dinosaurs with an 80 and annoying everyone who is actually trying to play the game to get the 42 that were erased? I did the quests, even if future players can't do them anymore they should still count for something. In four months there will be a whole bunch of new loremasters that just did it leveling to 85 and i will still have 0 quests completed in the barrens.

Here's the rub... Anyone who completed Loremaster prior to the changes still has to go back and do every single zone again in order to get the zone achievements. Altogether the zones add up to around 300 achievement points, while the old loremaster achievement is a mere 50, (10 for each loremaster zone, plus 10 for loremaster), which people grinding out quests after the patch will also get. So anyone who listened to the "great advice" and finished off their remaining quests has to go back and do everything over again anyway. Please explain how that makes any sense whatsoever. My 1300ish quests completed in Kalimdor/Eastern Kingdoms prior to patch is completely worthless since I have to do all the new quests again.

"However, if you've made progress toward these achievements without yet completing them, be aware that any quests that are removed from the game will no longer count toward your progress, so you may see your achievement quest counter drop." Now isn't that a crock. I don't mind them lowering the count for quests that have been removed but to also remove credit for quests that still exist was dumb. I don't want to go back and grind a bunch of low level quests that I have already done and I doubt that there will be 700 new level 80 - 85 quests in each zone. Guess I can kiss the Loremaster of Kalimdor goodbye.

I'm one of those odd types that like the self satisfaction of completing content that other people dismiss. So after 3000 Quests completed, Loremaster, Insane, Hero of Shattrah, Mercenary of Sholozar etc. I set it my task to complete as many quests in the game as I could. I managed to get my quest counter (excluding repeatables) up to around 3550.

Imagine my horror when I logged on the other day and it's down in the 2000's. Blizzard, I understand that there's new content and that quests left the game never to be seen again. I can even live with having to re-do all those quests AGAIN (the same ones!), but for the love of all that is good and holy WHY did you reduce the quest completed counter?

There is no answer other than blatant laziness on your part, and a disrespect for past work. A counter should never go down, it is a record of what a character has done and you've now invalidated the stat completely.

Even though I am amazingly tolerant and look forward to much that Cataclysm brings I will never forgive you for this and I will always remember that you don't care about players like me.

While It's unfortunate that so many quests are gone (I was late with my Tier 0.5) my main problem is that it's not clear what is deleted.
For example: I went to Silithus, and I see Wind Stones are there, but the NPCs to turn stuff in are gone.
With Tier 0.5 the item to summon the NPCs are there, and original NPC in ironforge is there too, but NPCs give no quests.
ZG is obviously gone, but coins etc. are floating around.
In Everlook the dwarf with the epic lvl 60 catalog talks to you and asks you to check the catalog, and there are no quests in the catalog.
So it would be great if there was some clarity to this. For example, if the items that have no purpose would become gray, like dropped spell books have become before.
Another idea would be to not remove those quests at all - after all everything except ZG is still here... But maybe too late for that. It feels very awkward.
With Tier 0.5 while I was working on it, I actually asked a GM if I would have problems completing, and they said that they don't know... I guess should have planned for the worst.

Just adding my two cents as an existing Loremaster. I think I understand your overall reasoning for not crediting the individual zones, only the overall achievement as being complete. However, reading some of the comments here, I agree with a number of them. This character is who I consider to be my achievement toon, my main for such things. I made it a point to find and complete every single quest I could find in the game, from level 1 to level 80. (I noticed a few days before the Shattering that I had missed Elwynn Forest quests -.- ) Anyways... Obviously I was grandfathered in on the new Loremaster achievement. Here is where I stand at this point: I am a little bit competetive with the achievement points. Not to the point of neurosis or anything, but still...I have my achievement points for the overall title but not the individual zones. A number of my guilders who never got Loremaster are now out working the new quests in the zones to get their Loremaster. Basically, they will get the achievements for each zone as well as the overall Loremaster points. So if I decide I can't be without these additional points, I must once again go back and do a boatload of quests. My only incentive to do this is due to the missing achievement points...well, that and the hope to be fried by Deathwing while wandering around. (Odd that I am actually excited to die for once. Yay! He killed me! Usually that's sarcastic.)

I <love> the new quests so far! Even though I already have 10 level 80's, one of each class, I would make another just for the sake of running these quests! (...and in fact I have...) But really, why force me to blow through these zones at level 80, with no rewards other than achievement points? I'll be ecstatic to experience your new quests...on a toon that is actually at the level range the quests are designed for. Makes no sense to one-shot everything by looking at it funny as a level 80.

Just my viewpoint...

Kelaf, I feel your pain. I was 2300 quests completed toward seeker...Now, 1500 boo! Oh well, it could be worse!

Yeah... I was working on the The Seeker title. Had just over 2600 quests completed. Log in last night to find out I know only have credit for 1408 quests. I was so discouraged I ended up just logging out. Almost 1200 quests gone in the blink of a eye? What the hell?

Agreeing with Sardonica - I just ran most of Duskwood/Darkshire with my mage last week, and re-ran the new area with my main tonight for Gilneas rep. The town quests are all very similar - thinking players who have completed these lines should have been given more credit toward the zone quest achievement.

i am so mad, all the quest iv done 4 yrs ago i now half to go back and do them all over. come on thats just B,S.......bliz yall really fen messed up on not keeping track all that work i did for what, so yall can come along and hit the reset butten,gurr.......

And what makes it worse - its not all new content. Wandering off to Menethil Harbor I thought I'd check out a low level quest, just to find it was the first quest of a chain I'd done numerous times before when leveling toons in the area.

So it appears that its not just that Loremasters must do 1400 more quests that a new character to get the same achievement points, but also has to do the majority of these quests twice. Doesn't really seem fair IMHO.

Blizzard, you have shown that you are willing to listen to the players of WoW - the late change to the 'Insane' achievement proves that. Those people with Loremaster are your bread and butter customers, the ones that stay with you through thick and thin. We dont get bored after a couple of months and move on to another game. This feels like punishment to your loyalist members, a slap in the face we dont deserve.

I cannot comprehend how these changes were deemed to be a "good idea." I completed Loremaster on November 11th, an achievement that required the completion of no fewer than 1,400 quests spread out over Kalimdor and the Eastern Kingdoms. I'm now being told "Congratulations, you get to run 1300 more quests!" in order to earn the zone achievements. If you earned Loremaster, it's blatantly apparent that you ran almost every single quest per zone. This decision baffles me; it's an absolute disincentive to create a new character (or two or three) to experience the quests, because now the Loremasters are being compelled to slog through it all again. Blizzard, I beseech you to give the Loremasters the zone credits, because making us run a thousand (or more) quests again is a horrible choice.

I completed loremaster pre the shattering. And i am somewhat annoyed at Blizard right now. Great to add new achievements and all but to complete my Loremaster I ahd to find and do 700 Quests in Eastern Kingdom. Now i have to go back and do another 700 to earn the achievements for those areas. New quests - yea great... but i have to do 700 quests more to earn the same achievement points as someone who started loremaster today. Why does it bother me so much? because its moving the goal posts, punishing people for doing things sooner rather than later and frankly that coupled with the "Feats of strength"Conversion that has now dropped my achievement points below 8K (a target i was excited to have exceeded) Frankly i am left feeling why bother?

Oh i see what you did there at the end...good job lol

My problem with this is simple -- to get the same number of achievement points that someone gets for starting the Loremaster achievement today, I have had to do roughly twice the number of quests. Blizzard could have at least had the decency to have made the original Loremaster a different achievement (or feat of strength).

I understand they want players to experience the new content, but why not wrap it up in a separate achievement? It seems pretty lazy to me, and frankly as one that has liked going for achievements, it is becoming apparent that they may not be worth the effort. You'll either have to redo them or they'll become feats of strength which at this time takes away value. Maybe they plan to have an achievement with a title for people with N or more feats of strength? Who knows?

i was 18 quests away from my loremaster titled and this happened. sucking it up i proceeded to start over again (yeah, i havent done ANY quests in ashenvale, ever, apparently) but after doing 3 i noticed none of them had counted toward the ashenvale quest tracker. just makes me feel hopeless about this achievement.

This is a colossal failure on Blizzard's part. Many of the quests won't even show up for me now, along with some even being reset for me in WOTLK ??? wat? Yeah, I completed 60+ quests in one region now it shows ZERO and I can't do them over.

Good job, really.

Your blog post gives me no solace. This is insanely disgusting treatment for those of us who were so close to finishing. In my case I should have been able to do 70 more quests in Kal. and get my loremaster. Right now, sittins at 620 quests in Kal. I am mad as hell.

I was only 14 quests away from The loremaster title. I couldn't find anymore, anywhere. I worked very hard over the last four years to get all of the zones completed. Only to have Blizzard reset them all. They really should have left the achievements that they had and just add more. I feel like "whats the point anymore?" Blizz is just going to keep setting me up to fail or not allow me to complete the achievements that I started. I'm not going back and redoing all of the low level stuff that I did FOUR years ago. I'm thinking about quiting wow all together now. They didn't even consider the effort that people had put into the game.

I did lose a lot my quests for loremaster, but i was the one that stopped pre shattering because i didnt feel that i had enough time to enjoy it. Now, I am so very glad i did. I have started a human hunter, and I have completely went through Westfall as well as Redridge Mountains. I absoluetly love the story and the flow of the quests. Blizzard I give you kudos, you are going to be trying very hard in the future to out do yourself, its going to be hard.

Thanks again Blizzard for the wonderful new experiences you have given the world of Azeroth.

Still doesn't change the fact that Blizzard made the stink about getting Loremaster done just to turn around and have all these zones zeroed out again. I would have just delayed Loremaster until now and worked on it. Who cares that I would have to wait for Cata zones to finish it, then it would be all complete. They should just make it a FoS and be done with it.

I seen a Blue post about continuity between quests so some (most quests were reset. Understandable in some cases but why would quests such as "Big Game Hunter" be reset when there was nothing following it? In fact, as far as I know there was nothing leading into those chains either.

I was a little upset I was close to Loremaster and it was reset, but I started to work on doing the quests in the zones over yesterday.
I decided I didn't mind it so much because the stories are a lot better. Also, the flow throughout a zone is so much smoother. I love it.

I agree with Selmenm

/sigh
But, hey now i got something else to do too :D

I feel really bad for those who thought they had gained some traction towards their Loremaster only to have it get reset. Not wonderful, but at the same time, I went and did Westfall last night, and ooh, the storyline there is 1000 times better than it was pre-Shattering. So, IMHO, it's worth going back and doing it again. As far as Westfall goes, I think the quest folks at Blizz have really outdone themselves. If you like story-driven questing, I think it's worth it.