Dev Watercooler: The View From 10,000 Feet

So how is the view from way up here? It’s great actually -- we’re really happy with how Cataclysm is going so far, and we have big surprises on the horizon. On the other hand, there are details you can see at ground level that you can’t make out from 10,000 feet.
When we started these blogs, the idea was to foster developer communication to the players without some of the inherent problems of posting in forums. Some players have pointed out recently, and we totally agree, that the blogs up until now have been from a very high vantage point. We looked for topics with universal interest that would feel important and newsworthy. That has worked overall, but we also feel like we’ve lost something from when I used to be down in the metaphorical trenches talking to players in the forums.
So we’re going to try something a little different. We’re going to unleash some blogs that are much more conversational and less proclamational (that's a word now). If we deliver on this, it will hopefully feel like you’re eavesdropping on our design meetings. You won’t always learn a lot about exciting new features coming to the game, but you will (ideally) learn something about the design process itself. (When we have big, exciting news to share, or ‘State of the Game’ style blogs, we’ll still do those as well.)
But to pull off this more casual blog style, let’s establish a few ground rules:
1) No promises. I’m going to be talking about a lot of things we might do or things we could do. You shouldn’t interpret this brainstorming as patch notes. Our creative process is insanely iterative. We might pitch dozens of ideas before we find one we like. That can be really exhausting if you’re not used to it. If you’re more interested in final decisions and not idea churn, then this style of blog won’t be for you.
2) Don’t read too much between the lines. I’m going to point out a lot of design flaws in our game. “Oh no! Goatcaller admitted WoW was deeply flawed! It’s shark-jumping time!” Look, Blizzard is very critical about our own designs. There is virtually nothing in World of Warcraft that could not be improved. That has always been the case and will continue to be the case. Just because I’m going to be sharing that more frankly with you doesn’t mean that the game now has more cracks in its foundation than it ever did. There is an old saying (misattributed, from what I understand, to Otto Bismarck) that laws are like sausages; it is best not seeing them being made. My old friend and mentor Bruce Shelley used to apply the same maxim to game design.
3) No complaints about the topic. If we didn’t have an interesting discussion about a topic recently, e.g. shaman mechanics, I’m not going to invent one. That doesn’t mean that the class is perfect, or that we don’t love shaman players, or that the shaman class has no direction, or that the class design is frozen in carbonite. I’m not going to keep hash marks next to every class and spec to make sure I’ve covered their "Very Important Issues" lately in a blog. World of Warcraft design being what it is, we’ll probably eventually get around to talking about everyone on here, but it may take weeks or months or years. My team is responsible for areas of the game including classes, items, encounters, trade skills, achievements, combat, and UI, so my blogs will probably stick to those topics.
Okay, all that preamble is out of the way now. I’ll probably refer back to it sometimes, if we have some players stomping all over the ground rules.
One topic we’ve been discussing lately is the role of Hit and Expertise on tank gear (or more precisely, plate tanking gear). The conventional wisdom is that Hit and Expertise are threat stats, and you may need to swap them out with some of your mitigation stats depending on the situation. Realistically, unless you severely overgear the content, we don’t think that is actually true. Tanks almost always worry about survival first and foremost, which totally makes sense, and are willing to trade off threat stats for better mitigation in almost all situations. It’s much harder to progress if the tank explodes than it is if the cat occasionally pulls aggro. (It’s not quite that simple, but I’m going to gloss over details and exceptions since I spent so much text on the preamble up above).
Once upon a time, taunts could miss, and so Hit was marginally more interesting than it is today. Once upon a time, having a boss parry your attacks could speed up its swing timer, which turned Expertise into a (often weak) survival stat. Boss parries felt very random though, both in the sense that sometimes the tank would suddenly take much more damage than anticipated and there was no easy way to know which bosses had parry speed up. (Today, you can assume none of them do.) Until recently, interrupts could miss, but asking a tank to stack a bunch of Hit just for those few opportunities when they were probably going to hit anyway but disaster would occur if they did not felt crummy too.
The problem is that there aren’t a lot of stats that are interesting to tanks. Stamina and Armor are great, but their stat budget is often in lockstep with item level. (It would be interesting to consider if we could make that not the case once again, but that’s the topic for another blog.) We got rid of Defense as a stat that tanks needed to worry about. We have managed to make Mastery pretty good to excellent for tanks, so that’s at least one stat they like to see. Dodge and (if you’re a plate-wearer) Parry are good, and slightly interesting because of talents like Hold the Line. But beyond that, it starts to go downhill. Sure Haste and Crit can sometimes be fun, but really they often aren’t worth the trade off. That leaves us with Hit and Expertise. We’d like to make them more interesting to tanks. But how?
One way is by turning them into defensive stats. They are defensive stats for Blood death knights, because the DK self-healing is tied into Death Strike, which can miss. It might be possible to do something similar for the other classes. Imagine if Shield Block had to actually hit the target. Presumably you raise your shield, but not high enough to intercept the incoming blow. Now hit becomes a mitigation stat for warriors as well. We might have to adjust the mitigation amount on Shield Block or give warriors a small Hit bonus so Hit capping wasn’t totally unreasonable, but you get the basic idea. You could do the same with paladins (make Holy Shield more interesting?) and druids as well (Savage Defense could proc on a hit).
Is this a good idea? We’re not sure yet. You won’t see this change in the 4.1 patch for certain. There are trade-offs to making Hit and Expertise more valuable. Gearing as a tank might be more fun for experienced players, but it also might be more challenging for less experienced players. The number of struggling tanks in your Dungeon Finder groups might go up. Some less knowledgeable players (and to be fair, this stuff doesn’t exactly explain itself on the character sheet) might stack Hit way too high at the expense of a more valuable mitigation stat, such as mastery.
It is the kind of thing we’re talking about though, and if you want to make a contribution to the tanking forums but aren’t quite sure on a topic, here is one potential possibility.
-Greg “Ghostcrawler” Street is the lead systems designer of World of Warcraft. He still has Buru’s Skull Fragment.

Caelestrasz
Thorium Brotherhood
Norgannon
Darrowmere
Thunderhorn
Garona
Second issue, WHEN would one stat become less important. Warriors still struggle to figure out dodge or parry? Some people think they have a clue, but they all say "best keep within 1%", sorry but that's not a deffinitive answer. Maybe, I think, and possibly, are not words/phrase used to describe a confirmed theory. My point is, there has to be a better way of defining secondary stats other than just giving each one a utility and having tanks use all 5 (dodge, parry, mastery, hit and expertise). That would be overwhelming even for "professional" tanks. "Stats overwhelm me!"
Reasoning three: If a mage has to worry about 2 stats and have 2 to "fool around" with, healers have only 2 stats that they can play with and spirit. Do you really think bourdening tanks with all 5 is a good thing to do for the comunity. We are already a rare sight (and i'm not talking about the druid in DPS gear with mastery queued up as a tank, that's not a tank, it's a heal sink). Do you really want to open up that can of worms? Remember why you got rid of defense rating? Now you want to call it hit/exp?
Personal note: Tanking has become stale, sit there and take hits, occasionally swap with the "off-tank" so you drop a debuff of some sort. I love the ideas in MoP, (even if i still don't know if I like the panda idea, you should use it to have some sort of "Save the Pandas" promotion, again i digress). Back to tanking, Best way to make tanks feel good is give each class a perk. Druids and DKs have high damage out-put, paladins have the blessings nd some other random sparkles i kow nothing about, people just like them, warriors... we take more magic damage than most, even with shield block being up at the right times (e.g. Zonn'Ozz's psychic ... thing), we do take much less physical damage IF and only IF we don't get an armor debuff, which is every boss that deals physical damage has a sort of armor sundering, including Morchok heroic. Warriors also deal the least damage compared to other tanks with similar stats/gear. So why does my raid need me? Other than my skill as a player there is NO reason anyone to invite me, a worrior, to a raid.
It is late in the expanssion to worry about secondary stats, sir. Lets just finish off the Cataclysm and then worry about MoP game play. I believe most of the work you put into Cata will become moot in MoP. So relax, put your feet up, haters gonna hate. Remember "hate the game not the player"? Well this is sort what has hapened.
Nagrand
Satisfied Customer.
Tanaris
Nagrand
Stormscale
Gorefiend
Azjol-Nerub
Garona
If you are a cassual, you do 5 mans and LFR, you can use meters to compare your self to other tanks take your damage taken add healing taken divide by 2, do the same for the other tank and divide his results by yours, you should get a result greater than 1. If you see a trend where you seem to be getting >1 all the time, you are over-geared for LFR/5mans. You need to do some raids and see what hapens, if you are getting less than 1 ti means you are taking a lot of damage and a lot of healing compared to the other tanks. That's when you go and you make changes. Hope this helps.
Aerie Peak
Stormscale
Stonemaul
Stonemaul
Khadgar
Khadgar
Haomarush
Garona
Glad to see a brother warrior thinking outside the box!
Tanaris
Armor / Stamina > Mastery > Dodge / Parry > Haste / Crit > Hit / Expertise
or something to that effect - until further notice?
Alleria
Dentarg
Korialstrasz
Zangarmarsh
Charge, Rend, Thunderclap, cleave until Thunderclap is available and shockwave accordingly. tanking is faceroll. :D
Madoran
Stormreaver
Burning Blade
Baelgun
Kel'Thuzad
Bronzebeard
Stormreaver
Aman'Thul
Aman'Thul
Ysondre
Kirin Tor
I'm a bit of a Wrathbaby, and I find that I still really miss Ghostcrawlers frequent posts on the forums. They were helpful because they put meaning behind more of the changes made, helping me to understand what the Devs intended (at that moment) for each change to do.
I understand that the posts also had the double edge of...a lot of bad stuff and arguments erupting on the forums.
My question is this: Could there be a way to find a bit more of a balance between the older style of posting on the forums and this newer direction of using blogs?
While the blogs that have come out are informative and interesting, they come with a bit of infrequency that leaves me pining for the "good" 'ol days.
Maye I'm missing it if it already exists, but perhaps a twitter or a feed of some sort could be used? A no-promises type of "We're toying around with blah, here's what we're thinking" or "Man having a feral druid riding a camel on the Earthrager Ptah encounter is funny"
Just throwin it out there =)
Stormrage
Nordrassil
A couple ideas I have for solving it: how about we get some sort of talent where we can spec into hit as a % of our Strength on the respective tanking trees, like how some spell casters can get spell hit from spirit (shadow priest and elemental shaman come to mind). Alternatively you could have a bonus to an avoidance/mitigation stat from your hit/expertise depending on your class. Like a paladin could have a slight parry boost from hit and an increased chance to block from expertise. Nothing game-breaking, of course, but something to make those stats be more of a luxury and less of a mandate.
Kirin Tor
I've had the same issue from time to time. The simplest response is to throttle off some of your reforging back into hit and expertise.
It seems to me that there are large quantities of hit on the lower end blues that one *could* expect a tank to be using in heroics.
I tend to go around the 6% hit mark instead of gonig much higher. As my gear improves, I intend to bring my hit up to cap so as to avoid messes in heroics, which are much more srs bznz than the regs I'm toying with currently.
I think the reason they don't make such a talent is because first off, Strength is already a mitigation stat for plate wearers. (According to Elitist Jerks, anyhow, which based it off of an ancient Goatcaller post, 25% of strength become parry rating)
Another thing is they actually seem to want us to utilize hit and expertise ratings so we have a bit more of a stat juggling minigame than we do currently. (Where currently it is reforge (dps stat)>expertise>hit>parry/dodge into mastery.