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it's tuesday..WHERE IS THE NERF I WANNA RAID FL

Now we can kill the turtle mobs, it would be funny if we found out that they had a higher drop rate than most mobs. The majority of FL trash runs and Boss runs tend to skip them.

I Find it fine that they are making sure people are able to beat the raids that are going on. I used to be a noob and never got to kill many bosses so i apreciate that alot.

All you guys do is complain EVERY time they release something, do you know how hard it is to make decisions like this? There's over 12 million people playing this game, Blizzard can't take everybody's ideas into account. So just deal with the fact that there changing the game. There nerfing firelands a little bit more so what? Did you ever think that maybe there doing it to help us get epic gear for Downing Deathwing in the future? No you skip right to conclusions. Thank you Blizzard,

It is true that they are making the game easier then it already is, but I do like that they are nerfing Firelands, just so people who took breaks and can't play constantly, or had to stop playing due to money issues can have a chance at getting the gear they missed out on, and the content they didn't get to experience, even if nerfed. I myself took a long break, and after a week, finally got my hunter to 360 ilevel, and my pally's prot set to 366 and his holy to around 358. I can't wait to go take on the Fireland bosses, then hopefully defeat Deathwing which I expect to be one hell of an interesting fight. Hopefully Blizzard adds a bunch of mechanics and things that Classic raiders like me haven't seen even in classic. I am very excited [:

I wish they wouldnt do this. The raid really isnt hard normal mode with a good group, i dont think it needs to be nerfed, the satisfaction of downing bosses will be completely gone. All I'll be thinking is "cool we killed him, well its nerfed, whatever"

we've been successful with every boss kill thus far until we got to ragnaros and hit a morale killing wall. This hotfix will give us a chance to finish up the content and gear up for the next raid patch. The firelands have been a fun and interesting raid and we've had a great time! thanks blizz!

Why do you break your own game ? Patches already buff the players in the form of new tier sets. Why double nerf the raids ? Don't do this, let us have time to play the game between the patches. BTW, why destroy the original game challenge at all ?

The real issue isn't about casuals complaining about content being too hard or elitists complaining about casuals catching up to their progression. The true raiding experience is being completely missed. The reason nerfs like this do, and will continue to ruin this game's raiding experience is that it makes players not have to do anything but the latest and greatest tier. There's no actual progression involved. With Firelands nerfs nobody will step foot in BWD or BOT. If you took the time to gear up, learn your class, do some easier raiding, and just have common sense then you wouldn't need these nerfs, nobody would. But unfortunately people are lazy and want Blizzard to play the game for them instead of actually having a true raiding experience.

"we’ve been keeping a close eye on players' progress through the current Firelands raid content. Before patch 4.3 is released, we want groups who are working on Heroic-difficulty content to be able to get as close to Ragnaros as possible, and we want players who are tackling normal progression to be able to experience as many of the encounters as they can. To achieve these goals, we’ll be toning down the difficulty of both normal and Heroic raids through hotfixes in the coming weeks. "

What that sort of reads as is they aren't seeing the numbers of players progressing into or thru Firelands as much as they are wanting to see before they release 4.3 patch. So to compensate for this they are stepping in and making some nerfs to level it out so most of what they what as ideal for the population to be leveled out for the release of patch 4.3. Exclusion from content doesn't happen from anything other than player to player interaction. A large section of the playerbase was discouraged from even setting foot into Firelands because of the "Must have achievements! Must KNow fights! Must have Raid Resume and farm time avl! Must be able to to insane dps! blah blah blah rhetoric!" Especially since most of the Leetists have most of everything now anyway, they have their flaming Hipogryphs, and shadow phoenixes - I've seen them all over SW. So I don't know what the big deal is?

Blizzard has decided that the only way to "fix" player exclusion from content now is to wait for a while and then step in and nerf some content. I think Blizzard is getting tired of exclusion. I'm not quite sure how us as players can fix this since it is only we who can make it better.

What dont you guys understand about this? Anybody who is anybody and raids heroic probably has all the gear they need because they have been doing heroics for a month, maybe 2, maybe 3. The point of this is to let every player see what is going on at the end of the game, and gear them up for the upcoming patch with new instances and raids. When new instances come out and they have gear higher than normal firelands, and they cant down bosses in firelands, how are they suppose to run the instances? Like I said, they gave time for anybody who is anybody to get gear, now that they have it, they are letting the casual players get gear. Theres nothing wrong with that.

they're actually adding a 'nerfed mode' later. This sseems like something of an experiment to me, nerfing the content earlier to see how it effects lower level guild progression.

so instead of nerfing the raid for everyone... why don't you just add a 'casual' mode which has all the nerfed-ness?

This new announcement just show how much predictable this game can be.
1) A new xpac is launched: people flock around it to see the new content, raiders soon start with the new raids, and dungeons.
2) Elistists jerks rejoice at the raid difficulty level. Casual players complain about to the raid & dungeons difficulty level.
3) After 3 to 6 months, a few casuals cancell their accounts because they found the game too hard. Paradoxally, a few ellitists cancell their accounts too because they found the game way too easy.
4) To deal with the loss of incomes, Blizzard start to nerf game contents. People return to play back WoW again.
5) Casuals feel the game is now enjoyable. Elitists jerks start bullying at them, frustrated of all the game nerfs.
6) Blizzard keep things that way for approx. 1 more year (that is, the remaining life span of the current xpac).
7) Blizzard announce the incoming of the next xpac. The current game tend to be less played, or players are instead preparing for the next xpac.
8) Go back to 1) to 7), Rince & Repeat. Things have been that way with Burning Crusade, Wrath Of The Lich King, Cataclysm, and will be that way with the next xpac.

You know what ? I would really like to see something else when paying and playing an MMO.

Not saying my guild is awesome or anything I mean we had our problems keeping raiders available. So we are just getting to firelands and it is wrong that they are nerfing the firelands bosses. I feel if people want to run these raids than they will learn them the way it was meant to be done not nerf them for the ones that cry nerf because they cant run there toon in the first place

Just going to throw this out there out of pity, but you never really see top end guilds like Paragon in the others complaining over nerfs. What you see is not really skilled players, but players like Moonrann below me who are 2/7 HC and think they are hot. In addition, you have the casuals like Larsheaher below me as well who don't understand that so much of this game is being edited to appease you and keep you from whining and bickering that it's actually crippling the guild system as a whole, and endangering not only server relations but just the simple adage of WoW as a time spender.

It's all fine and dandy for you to have families, jobs, and what have you. That being said, some people aren't as fortunate and there are plenty of folks I know that devote way more of their life than they should to this game. They've been playing since Beta dropped, and you've been playing probably since mid WotLK or the start of Cata. No one cares if you pay the same.

To be frank, both of you are drains on the community. You're irritating, whiny, and above all terrible. You are the person that makes LFD miserable. You are the person that breaks up a guild. You are the person that makes the forums a laughingstock, and makes everyone flock to mmo-champion for any kind of pseudo-intellectual discussion, and even then it's watered down by the amount of idiots flowing in.

I raid 2 nights a week, I'm 6/7 HC. I could care less about the nerfs. If you're whining because you just lost your window to be an awesome elitist player, heads up, you were never going to get there. If you're whining because "It's an elitist control game", heads up, the game is literally bent over backwards with it's back breaking to keep breast feeding you loot and fun. Go read some forums, go learn your class, enchant your gear maybe, or possibly stop being stupid and pretending like this game is entirely PvP based (which is what I see most casuals doing). Battlegrounds didn't even exist in this game until 1.5 (that's June 7th, 2005, almost a full year after Vanilla dropped). Get your priorities straight. If you want to PvP, great. But don't be a casual whining about PvP not fulfilling your needs because of "elitist control." Stupid and unrelated. Larsheaher, you haven't set foot in any raid in Cataclysm OR Wrath of the Lich King, and I find it hilarious because pretty much all of the current content save heroic T11 and heroic T12 (even some of that, really) is puggable.

I mean, honestly.