Raid Finder Coming in Patch 4.3

Raid Finder Coming in Patch 4.3

We are working hard to introduce an exciting new feature to World of Warcraft in patch 4.3: the Raid Finder system. While it presents unprecedented technical hurdles and may change before it’s released, we wanted to provide you with an early look at what we hope to accomplish, and share some details that we’ve worked out, which will lend some insight as to how the new feature is planned to work.

So what is the Raid Finder? It will be a brand new grouping feature that superficially works much like the Dungeon Finder. Instead of five-player dungeons, the Raid Finder is designed to help players quickly and easily form a pick-up raid for a specially tuned version of the current tier of raid content: the Dragon Soul raid. It’s not intended to replace organized raiding though. You’ll still need friends and guild members to help you conquer the toughest raiding challenges that patch 4.3 has to offer.

As we currently plan to roll out the Raid Finder feature in patch 4.3, level-85 players will be able to use it to access a 25-player version of the Dragon Soul raid dungeon, which will culminate in a glorious battle against Deathwing himself. Dragon Soul will be split into three different difficulties. The Raid Finder provides access to a new tier of difficulty, which in this case has split the raid into two wings, each containing four boss encounters. Meanwhile, raiders will still need to join with friends and guildmates to face the more challenging normal and heroic versions of the raid, since the Raid Finder cannot be used to access those higher difficulty levels. Naturally, because they’re harder to defeat, the normal and heroic version of Dragon Soul will drop more powerful lootalong with prestigious rewards such as achievements, titles, and epic mounts. Rich rewards still await those who face the Raid Finder version, which we hope will introduce the thrills and epic experience of raiding to a broader audience than ever before.

You can access the Raid Finder through the ‘Raid’ button in the menu at the bottom of the default user interface. The Raid Finder should feel familiar to Dungeon Finder users. Just fire it up, select your class role, click the ‘Find Raid’ button, and get ready to face Deathwing’s jaw of doom.

FAQ

Q. Raids aren’t dungeons. Who will keep things organized?

A. A Raid Finder raid will require someone to queue as leader. The Raid Finder leader will have a very limited set of powers and cannot change loot type, nor do they have the ability to arbitrarily kick people from the raid. They do have the ability to mark targets and use /raid warning, and can promote other players to be leads as well. To be most successful, each Raid Finder group should have at least one leader who will explain the fights, assign raid markers, and make the tough calls, like who the main tank and off-tanks are.


Q. How will loot be distributed?

A. Automatic rolls and a special version of the Need Before Greed loot rules will apply in Raid Finder raids, just as they do in Dungeon Finder instances. Also, while Dungeon Finder raids aren’t locked, you are only eligible for loot from a boss once per week. This means that if you were present for the defeat of a boss, whether you receive loot or not, then you will automatically pass on loot that drops during later attempts on that boss during the same week.


Q. How will Raid Finder loot differ?

A. Loot acquired through the Raid Finder, including tier set pieces, will be of a lower item level than items acquired from normal or heroic mode versions of the Dragon Soul raid, and its appearance may differ. Also, there are certain items, as well as components for legendary weapons, which will not drop in Raid Finder raids. While individual bosses will not yield Valor Points as they would in other versions of the raid, you can still earn 250 Valor Points for beating the final boss in each wing of the instance.

Tier armor that drops in Raid Finder raids still provides set bonuses, and those bonuses are compatible with the higher item level versions of the armor available in the normal and heroic mode versions of the raid. None of these tier sets will be available for purchase from a vendor via Valor Points.


Q. Will there be an item level requirement to use the Raid Finder?

A. Yes, accessing raids via the Raid Finder will require that participating characters be level 85 and have attained a certain item level, to help ensure that they are prepared for the content they’ll be facing.


Q. Will the Raid Finder be cross-realm?

A. Yes, the Raid Finder will draw players from all realms. As with the Dungeon Finder, it will place some priority on grouping players from the same realm, though not at the cost of increased queue times.


Q. What kind of raid composition will the Raid Finder create?

A. Each Raid Finder raid will include two tanks, six healers, and seventeen damage dealers. As the raid is assembled, the Raid Finder will attempt to balance the group according to armor type, which should help ensure a healthy mix of melee and ranged dps.
 

Q. Why 25-player only?

A. A 25-player group is actually easier and faster to fill than a smaller group would be, and allows for greater flexibility in raid creation, all of which will help contribute to lower queue times. Also, 25-player raids are less subject to issues with composition or player connectivity.

The Raid Finder version of the Dragon Soul raid will be designed with pick-up raiding in mind. Normal and heroic difficulties will require the greater organization and teamwork found in guild raid groups.


Q. Will I get Call to Arms benefits when using the Raid Finder?

A. We don’t currently plan to apply Call to Arms benefits to the Raid Finder, though that may change in the future.


Q. Will I be locked to a raid I join through the Raid Finder?

A. Since the Raid Finder only offers access exclusively to a specially tuned version of the Dragon Soul raid instance, instance locks will not be enforced for that version. Instance locks will still be enforced for the normal and heroic versions of the raid.


Q. Can I queue with my friends in a party or raid?

A. Yes, you can queue for the Raid Finder individually, in a party, or in a raid. The Raid Finder can be a great tool to help fill those last few slots in a raid.


Q. I’m a dedicated raider with an organized group, what good is the Raid Finder to me?

A. Since instance locks aren’t in play, Raid Finder raids could provide a way for dedicated raiders to gear up alternate characters, fill gaps in their itemization, finish off elusive set bonuses, or just have some fun while preparing to face the normal or heroic version of the raid on the next reset.


Q. Why aren’t other raids available?

A.  The Raid Finder is intended to help players experience the current tier of content. Also, many older raids don’t require a full complement of raiders, making the Raid Finder unnecessary. This is also the first rollout of the feature and we decided to start things simple, rather than potentially delay the feature’s introduction.

If the Raid Finder proves popular, more raid instances may be added to it in the future.


Q. Will Vote Kick still work in the Raid Finder?

A. Yes, though many of the same requirements and restrictions will be in place. For example, kicking too many times can result in a Vote Kick cooldown. Also, the thresholds are different, and several players will need to agree on kicking a candidate before the vote begins. Successful kick votes will require a significant number of Yes votes to pass.


Q. What happens if I leave a Raid Finder raid before it’s over?

A. Players who leave the Raid prematurely will receive a Deserter Debuff, though it will likely be of longer duration than the one applied to users of the Dungeon Finder. This debuff will only apply to the Raid Finder system.

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Bannaman
Kil'jaeden
Bannaman
11/29/2011
Just used the Raid Finder, it's too easy... I hope the real raid isn't like that. I will be very dissapointed.
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Espoire
Sen'jin
Espoire
11/30/2011
@Bannaman: First boss is still a pushover on Normal. Other, not so much. My guild was 7/7 in firelands (6/7 pre-nerf) and we hit enrage on the second and third bosses (and killed them both anyway). Strategically, if you've been to the Raid Finder, the normal modes become much easier, simply from seeing how it's done.
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Zinkal
Skullcrusher
Zinkal
11/29/2011
@Kevlarthian Thank You Someone who makes Sense! But there is one problem with the raid finder, a big one, and that is people need to use it.
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Kevlarthian
Quel'dorei
Kevlarthian
11/29/2011
@Zinkal: I believe that, unless there's some kind of big problem or bug, people will use it. There's always those who don't have a lot of time or enough friends to plan raids. And, of course, if you're tired of sitting on a main city, spamming the trade chat. :P
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Lamexicana
Zul'jin
Lamexicana
11/29/2011
blizzard seriosly? why coudlt you be smart on your own game applying the same dungeon finder tools...for example when you hit lvl you can do your first raid...and now you are eligable to use the raid finder but to only select raids for lvl 60...and when you hit 80 you can select randoom lvl 80 raids/randoom WOTLK raids....or specific raids aswell as when you hit 85....BDH BOT FL TOTFW
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Magicmano
Korialstrasz
Magicmano
11/29/2011
@Lamexicana: i agree with you about the lower lvl raids and for BoT BwD Throne and FL, would be really nice to get the alt toons some better gear befor going into the DS raid
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Kevlarthian
Quel'dorei
Kevlarthian
11/29/2011
I was disappointed at first when I knew only the Deathwing raid would be avaliable for this feature, but I understand why you did it. Easier to tests the feature with only one raid than many. However, if it works properly, I would really like to see the older raids enter in this system.

Right now, the biggest problem I have with raids is lack of interest in the old stuff. I'm level 70-something and I would like to run the Burning Crusade raids, but It's really hard to find people who also want it. Most people want to do the newest content because they're tired of the old stuff, want to improve faster, want gear level appropriate, etc. However, there are many people who also wanted to run the older raids but didn't because is hard to find people. Since older raids no longer require the same preparation because the max level has grown, I think it would be even faster to find people through this system.

This could improve gaming experience to new players like myself, who never got the oportunity to play the game in previous releases.
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Egwenne
Kael'thas
Egwenne
11/29/2011
@Kevlarthian: Completely agree with everything he ^ said. I'm also just turning lvl 70 for first time, really want to explore what constitutes as "old" content, but just don't have the time or gaming friends necessary to put together a raid group. A raid finder, set up just like the dungeon finder, would be amazing
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Zoorrzax
Stonemaul
Zoorrzax
12/1/2011
@Kevlarthian: completely agree
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I think the idea of the raid finder is nice.. though I think the loot control was messed up..

But right now it seems to be w/e

I also think they should have included the other raids for people who are making alts or who are new to the raid scene and could use the experience doing raids like BWD or BoT before moving into the "current tier content"
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Jeurth
Emerald Dream
Jeurth
11/29/2011
With the current state of subscriptions in WoW, I only think a COMPLETE raid finder would help keep players, with full selection of all raids, and access to all difficulties/real item levels. It is absurd to waste your life in trade chats and guild chats to build a group that can be done automated in moments. Bad form Blizzard.
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Zoorrzax
Stonemaul
Zoorrzax
12/1/2011
@Jeurth: They don't give a crap about old content or even new players. When new players can't enjoy the complete game content and /rage quit.....maybe then they will wake up. But, I seriously don't it.
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Zoorrzax
Stonemaul
Zoorrzax
12/1/2011
@Zoorrzax: *doubt
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Getty
Moon Guard
Getty
11/29/2011
I tried the raid finder and it says I am ineligible. I am ilvl 368. What ilvl is required.
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Tyrm
Balnazzar
Tyrm
11/29/2011
@Getty: 372 ilvl
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Dotdòtdot
Bleeding Hollow
Dotdòtdot
11/29/2011
my realm is still down this sucks
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Neutronium
Gilneas
Neutronium
11/29/2011
If a boss is killed in random raid finder, does that prevent me from rolling on gear in the Normal / Heroic version of the raid as well, or just future runs of the random raid finder within the same week?
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Mirayam
Perenolde
Mirayam
11/29/2011
I can see a a small flaw in the loot system... what stops a Boomkin druid from winning on feral gear as both rolls fill as a dps?
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@Mirayam: Bosses drop loot tokens to be turned in at the VP vendor
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Bartkouht
Zuluhed
Bartkouht
11/29/2011
sick !
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Thank god, no one wants to do level 70 raids anymore but now I'm saved! (Up to BC expansion ftw!)
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i bet at 11 they're gona release another message saying to wait another hour due to complications xD
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Marioheals
Lightbringer
Marioheals
11/29/2011
@Kyà: they alwats do
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Rüthless
Azuremyst
Rüthless
11/29/2011
...........X.x.........
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Dotdòtdot
Bleeding Hollow
Dotdòtdot
11/29/2011
thank god ill never have to switch a toon or beg someone to believe that i have an achievement !!!! so dumb how can you get an achievement if they wont ever let you raid without it and i know people say guild runs but what if your in a guild with IRL friends and the guild doesnt raid then you have to pug !
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Jekton
Mannoroth
Jekton
11/29/2011
lol @Itwásntme: It's not logical for people to say 'link achieve' if you're just trying to get in it's just another way for people to pretend they are better than you while they live at home with mom and dont have a job and have all that time to invest in an alternate reality world. :P Thanks Blizz for making things simpler for those of us keeping wow as a hobby rather than a career
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Dotdòtdot
Bleeding Hollow
Dotdòtdot
11/29/2011
my brother thinks the realm wont be up till way after 11
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Beastpally
Drak'Tharon
Beastpally
11/29/2011
man i cant wait but will it show low lvl raids for my low lvl alts like lvl 60 raids?
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@Beastpally: per above, if you take a few moments to read, the new raid is the only one offered under the new Raid Finder option
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Itscold
Garona
Itscold
11/29/2011
Finally, I can learn to raid xD
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Voododk
Wildhammer
Voododk
11/29/2011
@Itscold: i cannot agree more! my guild always says no. so even if i dont get my gear in random raid group its practice for those epic guild night. only thing i dont like it you wont be able to talk to the raid. gonna need to type i think random raids will fail 90%of the time
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Annistia
Kilrogg
Annistia
11/29/2011
I see no downside to this feature, it's a great trainer for noobs and veterans alike. Well done Blizz!
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Altareon
Borean Tundra
Altareon
11/29/2011
HEY ITS UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

jk :)
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Kierge
Eldre'Thalas
Kierge
11/29/2011
Servers will be up at:
11AM PST Time
12PM MT Time
1PM EST Time
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@Kierge: est will be 2pm not 1. 3 hour diff between east coast and west
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Darlzon
Quel'dorei
Darlzon
11/29/2011
@Kierge: -__- you forgot Central time smrt guy
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Terminalyill
Kul Tiras
Terminalyill
11/29/2011
Me 2. Sick of being the bench warmer
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Lethallady
Scarlet Crusade
Lethallady
11/29/2011
I am honestly excited about this change. Can't wait to try it out! :)
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yes it sucks I just want to play patch 4.3
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Jeffsgirl
Burning Blade
Jeffsgirl
11/29/2011
Servers are still down =(