4.3 Valor Changes

4.3 Valor Changes

With the 4.3 patch we'll be introducing some changes to the way Valor Points (VP) are obtained, as well as the items that they can purchase.

Changes coming in 4.3:

  • Looking for Dungeon -- 150 VP per run, with a cap of seven runs per week. All Cataclysm heroic dungeons introduced in 4.0, 4.1, and 4.3, will provide 150 Valor per run.
     
  • Looking for Raid -- 250 VP per run, with a cap of 500 per week. The 4.3 raid, Dragon Soul, will be split into two separate raids for the Raid Finder. While individual bosses do not drop Valor when using the Raid Finder, you will receive 250 Valor for completing each Dragon Soul raid. Each boss will only drop loot for you once per week, but you will continue to get the 250 Valor for completing each Raid Finder raid, up to the 500 cap.
     
  • 10 player raid boss -- 100 VP. There are nine bosses per week, counting Baradin Hold.
     
  • 25 player raid boss -- 100 VP. There are nine bosses per week, counting Baradin Hold.
     
  • Valor Points cap at 1000 per week.
     

As you acquire Valor you'll want to spend it, and vendors will be offering a wide range of items to equip you to take on the Dragon Soul raid encounters, including cloaks, rings, ranged weapons, necklaces, trinkets, chest pieces, helms, gloves, bracers, boots, and belts, all of which are ilvl 397.

Our goal with these changes is to move Valor back to the original intent of currency rewards as a consolation prize, for two main reasons: to make it less frustrating when you keep having bad luck getting an item you want from a particular boss, and to help encourage you to keep fighting bosses (and helping out the rest of your group) even if that particular boss didn’t drop anything for your character in particular. Over time we have also offered Valor as a reward for doing other activities (such as participating in Heroic 5-player dungeons) to provide players something to do on an off night or when they couldn’t raid.

In the past we have offered some tier pieces on the Valor vendor for players that just couldn’t justify the time or logistics necessary to participate in raids, but we’re hoping that the introduction of the Raid Finder tool helps remove that barrier. We think most players would agree that killing a giant monster and looting its corpse is more exciting than slowly farming a currency to purchase a reward. Currencies have their place, but we want them to be a secondary avenue of progression to boss killing.

While the Raid Finder will provide a lower difficulty for the Dragon Soul raids, and thus a lower ilvl of gear, the normal 10 and 25 raids will drop ilvl 397, with the final Deathwing encounters dropping ilvl 403. For the Heroic version, 10 and 25 will drop ilvl 410, and the Heroic Deathwing encounters will drop ilvl 416 loot.

As we near the release of 4.3 we’ll be posting everything you need to know about the Valor to Justice down-conversion process, so stay tuned.

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Stuba
Drak'thul
Stuba
7/2/2012
I have to say how useful I find the Dungeon Finder and I enjoy racking Valour Points and spending them. I play casually on US servers but being in Australia struggle with timezone differences in trying to get into a raid group. I would really encourage Blizzard to expand the dungeon finder to ALL dungeons AND ALL raids and make it cross realm as well to cut waiting times. 99% of the people I've run with randomly are great and most are happy to educate on a first run. VP as a consolation are a great idea to missing gear drops. The hardcore players can still chase i416 gear which (I guess) rewards them for their single minded determination to play 'hardcore'. I think Blizzard are doing a good job to cater to all players via this sort of system and hope they continue along this path.
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Rahab
Gorgonnash
Rahab
6/23/2012
sooo...if we dont use Vp before it caps to 1000..we lose all the 900 i worked so hard to get...tell me this isnt so. yesterday I had 900 Vp then today I have 200...what happened to the other 1000? Is it somewhere in La La Land...I want them back...if I would have known I was suppose to have spent them before the 1000 cao I would have...Someone plz tell me how to retrieve them.
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Illmo
Nesingwary
Illmo
5/11/2012
uggggggggggggggg how do I get 416 gear
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Postverta
Emerald Dream
Postverta
4/21/2012
Yeah, because I totally can't manage to get a toon to 85 in that time period.
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Plushhealz
Aerie Peak
Plushhealz
3/24/2012
im Really confused here @.@ at what lv exactly can you earn vp? im really hoping its a low level or can you just earn vp when youre finally able to do looking for dungeons?
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Intheether
Deathwing
Intheether
3/27/2012
@Plushhealz: you cant get valor till you're 85
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Boonieleewar
Eitrigg
Boonieleewar
3/13/2012
That's so ture @Wyknight
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Wyknight
Grizzly Hills
Wyknight
3/6/2012
I would rather see a possibility of saving my valor points to purchase some of the loot in raids as the only time I win something in a raid is if I go specifically with my guild and they know we are running for my gear. Otherwise I find the Raid finder a useless tool if trying to get gear.
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Nuntari
Drak'thul
Nuntari
1/31/2012
damn Ängelia be call up in that lil dude's !@#$. peace %^-*!.
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Ragnorok
Saurfang
Ragnorok
1/31/2012
i think they should change the valor cap to 1650, they made conp points at 1650, y not valor, not complaining, just stating a point
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Vorps
Kil'jaeden
Vorps
1/31/2012
@Ragnorok:
Conq doesn't work like valor. Your conq cap increases as your arena rating does. It's based on a skill level, not on a time-invested level like PvP.
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Ängelia
Laughing Skull
Ängelia
1/31/2012
so to the guy named Senniel NO ONE gives a !@#$ing %^-* about you not listening to their whining...i bet thats why you dont have a mutha !@#$ing girlfrieng so SHUT THE %^-* UP
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Derkommissar
Twisting Nether
Derkommissar
2/14/2012
@Ängelia: Goggles and a button eyed sock doesn't make for a Girlfriend either. And please lose the ghetto phonics, If you were actually living in the "Ghetto" you would not be able to afford the play time to this game.
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Ipewood
Cairne
Ipewood
1/31/2012
ok,i agree new things are usually meant to improve the game,with that said i find after i reach those 1000 vp i get bored quickly and i think if theres more things to buy with valor points not just gear but..well use your imagination.point is things need to be added so it keeps intrest and also at same time people will comtinue to raid thru the week
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Denlorlan
Winterhoof
Denlorlan
1/30/2012
whineing
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Denlorlan
Winterhoof
Denlorlan
1/30/2012
think of something you could be getting that gear if you werent sinign about it being hard to blizz
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Senniel
Emerald Dream
Senniel
1/25/2012
People need to stop whineing, wah wah is all i see when reading posts. when you kids dont get your way its trololololol gimme gimme now!. but once something goes your way its yay awsome man, this game is the best. and think when you dont get what you want. this game is getting weak etc etc, if it isnt about raid bosses its about something else. step out side and look at the picture. theres a method to the maddness or some would say the Chaos Theroy. (spelling really doesnt matter as long as i get my opinion across lol)
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@Senniel: finaly someone does sometin to tell others of the little annoying kids
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Gerland
Lightbringer
Gerland
1/25/2012
I can sympathize with those who wished the game was harder like it was back in vanilla wow but those days are gone. when blizz makes something easier it's done so that casual players can enjoy the game too. i hear the QQ all the time about how the game is "too easy to play and not fun" well maybe not to you but to someone who has RL responsibility's that make his or her time on wow limited it's a blast to be able to get on and down a boss or fight in a arena match before having to log off and sleep and get ready for work/school/etc. not everybody has all the time in the world to spend on this game. expect blizz to continue to make parts of the game easier as time goes by to draw in more casuals. and if you hardcore players who love the idea of smashing your face into a brick wall of a boss for fun can't handle this idea that the game was not just made for you, well i guess there are other games that might allow you to better beat yourself silly to progress in content. meanwhile the rest of us will keep enjoying this game. P.S there are alt to feeling forced to raid to get gear. you could try not having to own a full set and instead get only enough pieces for the set bonus's since that's the only real reason to get a matching set of gear.
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Mitchworks
Laughing Skull
Mitchworks
1/25/2012
you guys should really find productive uses for your time instead of writing out a diabtribe about something so minor.... and they hold back essential items like the shoulders so raiders can have the better gear like they should. just take it easy lol.
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Gnomemory
Proudmoore
Gnomemory
1/25/2012
150 VP per run, 7 runs max. Cap of 1,000VP? They must've hired the Jeb Bush School of Floridian Vote Counters. 7 x 150 = 1,050, not 1,000. Why shouldn't the players have that extra 50VP? Why should they lose it, because Blizzard developers can't calculate simple addition/multiplication? That extra 350VP/week could make ALL the difference between having to wait another entire week for an item, instead of being able to have it right away. Standard Blizz for you... if there's a way to shaft the players who work hard for their gear, they ALWAYS take that route. Loyalty of continuous monthly fee payments wins the player no credence or respect. Blizzard takes, takes, takes, and never gives. Another gripe I have is how they get you to collect multiple thousands of VP, so you can buy a preSET of gear, but leaves out the shoulders. Everything you buy with VP is 397, and VP is attained via LFG, but the supposed shoulders that SHOULD be a 397 match for the VP Gear, is only attainable by a NORMAL 10 man raid. Doing the LFR gets you the cheap 384 version of Mosswrought Shoulders, which DO NOT match the rest of the 397VP gear. The cheap 384 crap are butt ugly green and gray, looking ridiculous in comparison to my VP purchased hood, robe, etc. So you're FORCED to do a normal 10 man raid (which not everyone can get into) if you want the shoulders that match the rest of your purchased, hard earned VP gear. This 397 VP Gear is nice, but giving out 384 ugly garbage, is a slap in the face. Just another shafted by Blizzard ploy. Why even bother doing LFR, when all you get is second rate crap? Certainly doesn't provide incentive to continue on. Maybe that's why so many players quit so soon after 4.3. Get them all excited over earning 397 via VP, then hold back a couple ESSENTIAL items to complete the set, except make sure those items don't match, and are cheapened junk, and not even in line with the rest of the 397s. As soon as I realized tha my shoulders that I finally got in DS, were 384, I lost all interest in continuing to collect the full 397 set, because I don't have time to spend looking for a group who would take me along on a NORMAL run. I have a RL too, and my RL > GAME. Unless you're a kid with no responsibilities, you don't have the time to spend your entire life pursuing the best that the game has to offer. But you MUST (enforced by Blizzard), if you want a matched set of 397+... and THAT is what pushes people away.
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Mongerth
Ysondre
Mongerth
1/25/2012
@Gnomemory: well said
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Senniel
Emerald Dream
Senniel
1/25/2012
@Mongerth: lol , you need to go outside and communicate more with actual people maybe get involved in some community events IE (sports) or just for fun. what you said isnt really that serious. at the end of the day this game makes no impact to any ones life. chill out, blizzard has come a long way and if they made it hard they would lose money and go to other games.
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Cazlokxa
Khaz'goroth
Cazlokxa
1/29/2012
@Gnomemory: Your complaining about your shoulders and legs not matching your armour set? If you do have a RL then why would you rant on about something as small as that? Its called transmog, find something else you like that you can get without trying hard.
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@Gnomemory: ... If you don't want to/can't raid you don't deserve to be wearing the regular t13 appearance. Get the LFR tokens and trasmog so you have a matching LFR set (or wear the token gear to get the set bonus). If you want to look like a real raider: be a real raider.

Small things like this like us raiders feel better about having no lives!
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Demonicdps
Alleria
Demonicdps
4/13/2012
@Senniel: You are the child you yourself were just talking about... Getting pissed off because people were !@#$%ing on their threads and getting annoying (Not getting your way). Then chances are something made you happy and now you are saying how great blizzard is and how that little thing should be point out as a mistake....
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Miktorias
Caelestrasz
Miktorias
1/24/2012
I still kinda find it funny the fact they want us to go an raid, Yet they cap the VP at 1k Per week. Meaning you would need to do atleast two weeks (Or like most, One week and one day lol) To get enough VP for one item (Depending on the price), Also the LFR really should be (One item per week) Not one try, To many players are loseing loot to someone Who might not even use it. If it were One item per week ALOT more LFR would be happening, Allowing for faster qeueus and more "bads" getting used to how raids work (Sadly thats how i did it and i do just fine) As a few players have already said, Remove the Loot lockout for the LFR or lose the 1000VP cap, A large number of players don't (Or can't) Raid because of work,kids,Other stuffs. It becomes annoying watching someone in LFR win something there not even gonna use YET we get nothing but 250/500VP Per week, If i wanted to run someone and let them take the loot we should atleast get paid for it : / lol.
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Zeratool
Malygos
Zeratool
6/12/2012
@Miktorias: Yeah but they said in the original post that the goal was to have players killing bosses instead of farming VP. So it's designed to steer you away from VP so you can keep killing bosses. I enjoy killing bosses just for the fun of it...getting the gear is just a bonus :)
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Sýdney
Khaz'goroth
Sýdney
1/23/2012
I personally find it weird that the valor cap applies to everything that rewards it... I mean I think the cap only started in WotLK in terms of points, and that was limited by daily quests from heroics in terms of lazy income, but raid bosses rewarded them as often as you did them. Eventually it changed to reward them for Weekly quests for specific raid bosses, but they still came from ICC bosses as often as you did them.

I just find it weird cause the points earned from heroics are supposed to gear us up slightly for raids, encouraging us to go do them. I can understand a cap on that, keep all the bads from rushing in without knowing anything about the higher progression, but why is it a cap for the bosses themselves as well? Apart from them dropping their own loot, it kinda seems redundant to even have them reward points cause most people will have already capped on Heroics.
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Mishelö
Duskwood
Mishelö
1/23/2012
I feal like the valor cap is turning valor into more of a weekly allowance than an acual currency system
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Celethorn
Cairne
Celethorn
1/23/2012
"Our goal with these changes is to move Valor back to the original intent of currency rewards as a consolation prize, for two main reasons: to make it less frustrating when you keep having bad luck getting an item you want from a particular boss, and to help encourage you to keep fighting bosses (and helping out the rest of your group) even if that particular boss didn’t drop anything for your character in particular. "

Consolation prize nothing. I've been over the VP vendor and the drop list in the Dungeon Journal several times over. There are some slots that just are not covered by the raid. VP is the only way to fill some of those slots and it takes 2-3 weeks to do it. By capping Valor at 1000 you are punishing your customers for exploring multiple venues of high end content. I can easily cap out Valor Points by doing heroics in a single day. Now if I turn around and raid I get nothing for it unless by some miracle 2 conditions are met. First a piece has to drop, second I have to beat out several other people in the roll for it. You get one shot a week per Raid Difficulty at a drop from any given boss. Capping out at 1000 VP means that a player has a good chance of raiding for absolutely no reward whatsoever. Either pull off the boss lockouts for LFR or pull off the weekly Valor cap. I don't care if I can only get 1000 VP a week from Heroics but don't take away our VP from raiding just because we did heroics while waiting for raid night.
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Dethadder
Earthen Ring
Dethadder
1/22/2012
Increase the valor cap please. Rediculous i have to wait 3 friggin weeks to get a single piece of gear.

"derp, but dethnoob, the cap is fine l2raid nooblet!!1"

!@#$ and move out of your moms house and find employment then get back at me bro.

Not everyone can raid every night of the week, some people work overnights, some work all weekend. I do both, therefore, i dont have the schedule to raid. I want to play WOW too and not suffer. I pay the same $ you do bucko.

Thanks, me.
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Croxxig
Thrall
Croxxig
1/25/2012
@Dethadder: yea night shift really sucks when it comes to raidng schedules but you got to work with it.
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Cheeze
Cairne
Cheeze
1/28/2012
@Dethadder: There are a lot of morning raiding guilds for this situation. And I'm all for the VP cap. Yea, I raid so I get more gear, but I also am restricted by the loot that drops. It would be pretty !@#$ty if someone who only raids once or twice a week gets a piece or two a week and a bit of VP, whereas someone who farms heroics all day could have been 397 item level in the first week of patch 4.3
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Cowdung
Cho'gall
Cowdung
1/22/2012
Once again, i would like to request that BOA gear be able to be sent, like any other mail, cross-server to your accounts on other servers. We earned the gear and yet have to pay $25 to get the gear on low toons on other servers. Charge a nominal fee, say $5 to send the BOA gear. It allows players to join friends on other servers in like gear and be on even terms. Think about it--Blizz makes more $ and gets the players to play more hours if they can be with their friends--but not if it costs $25 to do so. Think about the players that do not have cross-server guilds to run with....
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Boohoo
Terokkar
Boohoo
1/22/2012
@Cowdung: I like this idea a lot >.>
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Kerione
Kirin Tor
Kerione
1/31/2012
@Cowdung: Well Said! Great idea!!!!
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Cowdung
Cho'gall
Cowdung
1/22/2012
Blizz, it is time to rethink the policy of tier gear through raiding concept. Raiding should never be the only way to obtain the 416 ilevel gear. There should always be a way, through currency, reputation or randoms (other than LFR) for solo non-raiding players to obtain the high end gear. Please eliminate the bias towards group play and offer means to obtain the gear for solo players. Not everyone has the time (or indeed the patience) to look for a guild, deal with elitist attitudes and personal bias, to raid. Not everyone has time to raid and dedicate time to raid when a guild wants. Some of us have been playing since vanilla and yet are held back by Blizz's group bias. Show some intestinal fortitude to ignore team and guild play and add a route for soloists to obtain the high end gear. Other games do--Why not Blizz?
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Wolokaz
Grizzly Hills
Wolokaz
1/23/2012
@Cowdung: you dont like playing with groups ... STOP PLAYING A MMO U DIP!!
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Cheeze
Cairne
Cheeze
1/28/2012
@Cowdung: Why do you need high end gear? Us raiders need it to progress on to heroic level content and then use heroic gear to continue downing heroic content to gear up the rest of our group.

If you don't raid, you have no need for high end gear.