Gold Selling Stance and Thoughts on the Guardian Cub

We’d like to thank everyone who’s provided feedback or questions on the Guardian Cub announcement and how allowing it to be traded relates to our stance against gold selling. Our hope today is to discuss our desire for a more secure and enjoyable game environment, and provide some clarity on how the Guardian Cub fits into that goal in its own small way.

To begin with, we need to reiterate what we know are the facts of third-party gold sales, and how they impact World of Warcraft players. We've been hard at work for years now thwarting gold farming tactics, and we know that only a very small percentage of gold is actually "farmed" these days. The vast majority of gold that third parties sell to players is obtained through account compromises. Your friend, guild mate, or family member who had their account hacked was specifically targeted for their gold so that it could be turned around and sold to another player looking to buy some. Having your account compromised is one of the most negative experiences a player can have, and dealing with hacked accounts makes up a significant portion of customer support time on a day-to-day basis. These issues have serious and far-reaching consequences on our ability to continue delivering epic game experiences and high-quality support for our players.

We’ve gone to great lengths to educate, inform, and provide increased account security for players through devices like the mobile and physical Battle.net Authenticator. We provide fun incentives for people to use those devices, and we continue to increase our efforts to educate players, block countless phishing and scamming attempts, improve our detection methods to stop account compromises before they begin, and take a harsher stance on third-party gold buying itself.

With all that in mind, we come to the new tradable Guardian Cub pet. By letting players trade this pet, we’re giving those who want to participate in the Pet Store without spending real money a way to buy the pet with gold instead. This also means that players can buy one for the purpose of trying to sell it in-game, creating the potential for players to exchange real money for gold in a way that does not lead to account compromises. Of course, all that comes with the pretty important caveat that demand for the pet will be finite, and there’s no guarantee you’ll be able to find a buyer.

While this one little pet can never come close to “solving” the above issues with third-party gold selling and account compromises, it may help us determine whether we’re able address these ongoing problems in a safe, creative way that ultimately has a positive impact on the game experience overall. Our hope is that through all of our increased efforts we can make World of Warcraft a safer, more secure, and more enjoyable game for all of our players.

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Lerroybagins
Caelestrasz
Lerroybagins
4/10/2013
:D true
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Klaire
Dragonblight
Klaire
8/24/2012
"I say blizz just sells there own gold then all the problems would be solved because if blizz could offer instant delivery and better deals then the gold sellers it would but them out of business and peoples accounts would not be hacked as often. but there are also cons the auction house would probably go to crap because if you could by gold from blizz the prices would probably go up
" TOTALLY AGREE
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Caissam
Borean Tundra
Caissam
3/18/2013
@Klaire: This had its downside however. Because the gold be be GENERATED through the purchase a massive amount of gold would enter the economy and drive prices up leaving players who do not buy gold from Blizzard far behind. WHat really needs to do done is have people stop being so lazy and earn their gold.
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Constance
Madoran
Constance
8/7/2012
I feel that Blizzard should sell their own gold on the home page. Maybe if some of the in game flying upgrades didn't cost 4000 gold then maybe players wouldn't want to buy gold from third party sellers, with all of the new expansions and new quests who has time to 'try' to farm that kind of gold and buy armor that takes a lot of gold just to repair. Not only that not everyone has a credit card to buy gold. I myself do not see anything wrong with Blizzard selling gold... now if blizzard started selling raw materials like cloth, jewels or minerals ect. then what would be the point in playing the game, but blizzard selling their own gold would make the game better. They could set up an option like they have now when someone wants to renew their pre-paid time by credit card. Pick from about three or four options of how much gold to buy and then receive the money by in game mail. It would kind of be like pogo and their gems. One thing I do like and it is an accomplishment is needing a certain amount of reputation to get mounts.... please do not change that.
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Supersam
Borean Tundra
Supersam
5/22/2012
I say blizz just sells there own gold then all the problems would be solved because if blizz could offer instant delivery and better deals then the gold sellers it would but them out of business and peoples accounts would not be hacked as often. but there are also cons the auction house would probably go to crap because if you could by gold from blizz the prices would probably go up
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Deathswait
Suramar
Deathswait
6/30/2012
@Supersam: If they sold their own gold everyone would just buy it and it would ruin the game... Its kind of like the "In-App Purchases" on Iphone apps and games... They get annoying and the game isnt fun because everyone already has everything... The game would be over even though its already over with the Kong Fu Panda expansion coming..
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Ravnite
Bladefist
Ravnite
4/17/2012
i belive selling gold direcetly form the home page would be a lot safer than other websites that offer such things. People there are many ways to get gold just adding this would make it safer for people who are not swiiming gold i belive the gurdian cub is a start
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Avada
Shattered Halls
Avada
3/14/2012
As long as this oh so slippery slope does not turn into blizz selling actual Gold. I'm far from a wow doomsayer, however I would not want to see what that does to the game. I would be really worried, as long as the game stays true to it's core, and gold selling imo would not be. We will be good! :)
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Kogath
Undermine
Kogath
2/19/2012
so then i got a quetion....when this happened to me last year and over 100k total was stolen from all three (3) of my chatactors, what does this "temparary solution," so to speack, do to help get me my hard earned gold back that blizzard PROMISED me i WOULD get back but havent as of yet despite the crap-ton of e-mails i have sent in as instructed....?
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Deathmike
Altar of Storms
Deathmike
12/12/2011
Any way to turn other pets from blizzard store tradable?? Plz plz plz plz pretty plz!! lol
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Crisismode
Feathermoon
Crisismode
11/23/2011
For the love of Elune, please do NOT start selling gold to players, Blizz! The new pet is a creative way to begin tackling the problem *without* breaking the currency system that exists in WoW. I think you guys are on the right path here.
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Laurorin
Draenor
Laurorin
11/21/2011
I would pay to buy a special mount for a single character. I'd be looking for a specific one like the vanilla Palemino fast horse mount WITHOUT the barding. I never managed to earn enough in the Vanilla game to buy one before the barding appeared and ruined the best looking mount in the game. :-P
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Mypimpjuice
Silvermoon
Mypimpjuice
11/20/2011
i got an idea not mine but still good eq2 allows gold selling but they take a small percent of the profits if you were to do this blizzard could make money as would people selling gold if done on your site allowing a legal avenue to make some cash for both bliz and the player most would flock to a legal avenue making gold farming a moot issue this is a win win scenario not many would risk an illegal avenue when a legal one is open just a little food for thought
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Speeddymon
Akama
Speeddymon
11/25/2011
@Mipimpjuice: Did you even read the article? The problem is not with the illegality of the gold selling, its with the fact that the gold comes from hacked accounts. Even if blizzard were to provide a fully legal way to sell gold (think ebay for gold selling built into battle.net) -- PEOPLE WOULD STILL HACK ACCOUNTS TO GET THE GOLD! Therefore I agree with @Crisismode 's post above. For the love of God, please do not start selling gold Blizzard!
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Mashies
Aegwynn
Mashies
11/19/2011
SELL DIS CLUB FOR DA 50KG MON DAT BE MAKIN DA MOST GOLD U CAN IN ONE ITUM
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I have no authenticator - but i use a firewall and virus software. Been playing for 7+ years and never gotten my account hacked. I forward phishing attempts to Blizz but am smart enough to READ the return addys - thereby finding the non-blizz addys in the first place. I don't agree with account hackers but if you are not smart enough to protect yourself {with or without an authenticator} you deserve whatever happens. Come on people - wise up!
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Druidalt
Vek'nilash
Druidalt
11/20/2011
@Myrtyn: you have not been playing 7+ years as of 4 days ago...being as world of warcraft had its 7th anneversary 44 minutes ago.
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Speeddymon
Akama
Speeddymon
11/25/2011
@Myrtyn: You are one of the few then. Prior to Battle.net accounts being mandatory, I had 2 WoW accounts. One had the mobile authenticator, and was tied to my BN account, one was not tied in and did not. The second account was used by my wife on her own computer which had anti-everything on it, whereas my account was used on my own computer which had none of them. Her account was the one that got hacked. They got in through her email by recovering her email password (I didn't check what her email recovery questions were beforehand because I knew her password) .. So we changed her password, changed her recovery questions, and then called blizzard and had them reset everything. The hackers added her account to their own battle.net account too but Blizz was able to undo that, so that was when I decided to put her account into my BN account under the protection of the mobile auth.

Besides, why not get an authenticator? The perks for various stuff such as getting an authenticator must be intriguing enough to you, considering the fact that you read this article...
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Sheenalove
Malorne
Sheenalove
11/11/2011
I just sold the guardian cub for 10k gold on my server
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Threstus
Icecrown
Threstus
11/11/2011
cool
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Rayla
Kirin Tor
Rayla
11/9/2011
As I said on the main thread, I like having the pets on all my characters as has been the fact previously. So, I think you should do BOTH. You can buy one that is BoA and all your characters get one, OR you can get a BoE version that you can trade. Let us make the CHOICE. But to have to buy one at $10 each to get one on all my characters like the other pets/mounts? Not gonna happen, and I won't be buying this one either unless you end up doing what I say here. I will NOT pay $10 for a single character pet, but I will gladly buy them for all my characters. (which reminds me I still need the pandaren monk)
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Blathnat
Medivh
Blathnat
12/9/2011
agreed, i'm really annoyed that i can't buy it for all my toons as normal. Blizz, a step in the right direction for the money-hungry bu tyou've overlooked the pet collectors :( @Rayla:
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Desion
Nesingwary
Desion
11/9/2011
i hate the alliance
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Beras
Draenor
Beras
11/8/2011
sold 1 on 11.5.11 $5860.00 SW AH im getting 1 4 slf
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Gutters
Anub'arak
Gutters
11/8/2011
this pet sells for 15k in the AH people who don't have the money to pay for it just farm wow gold for it its great if you want the pet achievement
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Lanark
Kargath
Lanark
11/7/2011
The Guardian Club pet is going for 3900 gold on the horde side of Kargath...
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Gloriosae
Kargath
Gloriosae
11/7/2011
I think the biggest thing about all of this is how it's the same price as all of the other pets, but only ONE toon can have it. Why would I spend money for one pet on one toon, when I can get a pet for all toons, present and future, for the same price? I don't care much for the "gold selling" stand point, because personally, I know plenty of people who are philanthropic with their gold, happy to assist another player out when they ask. And the bigger thing is, people are too lazy already. I personally get plenty of money from selling trash/mats/greens on the AH instead of something like this. I wouldn't even spend my cash on this pet to make gold when I can make plenty by merely selling mats or just things I get via questing.
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Trevorj
Elune
Trevorj
11/6/2011
They are selling for 7k on elune ?!?!? Wow if people are so die hard on buying gold why doesnt blizzard sell the gold themselves? Just cut out the middle man
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Acasha
Stormrage
Acasha
11/6/2011
So this was a dumb idea end of subject, should be boa like all others. Who is gonna spend 4k+ for 1 pet anyway. Just a way for blizz to make more cash. All the people thinking they are gonna make money off this pet in the ah are nuts, maybe if you sell it for like 500g.
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Eredruid
Galakrond
Eredruid
11/6/2011
@Åcasha: oh there's tons of fools who care about these pets and will pay for them. I just think is funny blizz says this is some attempt at thwarting gold gold sellers. If blizz wanted them gone a rmah gold exchange type system would do the trick.
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Erukafrog
Blackwater Raiders
Erukafrog
11/6/2011
@Åcasha: tell that to two people who bought my pets for 4k each.
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Hulkdk
Gorefiend
Hulkdk
11/5/2011
Ok forgive my earlier post because i read it again and well it was a dumb post. I wouldn't really opt out of the yearly pass even if i could. (you can't)

Getting D3 free is a sweet deal and the charged would be a $25 mount no doubt. So i guess i should just shut up, play the rest of this month as planned, leave, play my d3 that i get free in the yearly pass then try Pandaria beta when it comes out. Worst case scenario i end my wow sub at the year's end and i still have my D3! But yea....

THE PET SHOULD BE BOA! lol
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Dameridian
Khadgar
Dameridian
11/5/2011
I will never buy this cub from the store. Just can't justify spending 10.00 on one toon when I have so many toons. BOA like the other pets is how this should be done. IMO this is a fail. I like the looks of this Cub but I will never have it unless Blizzard puts it in as a BOA for all toons. As for selling on the AH I'm of two minds on this one. On one hand it will help the small guy to get started (maybe) and on the other it's another way to basically sell gold and being able to say your not selling gold. So for me this Cub has already failed.
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Hulkdk
Gorefiend
Hulkdk
11/5/2011
Sorry for double posting.
Why doesn't Blizzard just sell gold? Offer gold packages to people for different amounts of money. Why not leave the pet store items as boa for people who've been collecting pets and have multiple toons?
This would make everyone happy and fully eliminate the gold sellers.
A percentage could go to charity!!!!
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Chala
The Venture Co
Chala
11/5/2011
@Hulkdk:

then basically items in game would be nothing more than a rich man's game
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Lausus
Drenden
Lausus
11/10/2011
@Chala:
What do you think it is now?
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Hulkdk
Gorefiend
Hulkdk
11/5/2011
Zenonxy makes sense. Alot of have played for years now and shouldn't we be rewarded for sticking with Blizzard and Warcraft for sticking around and playing more toons that just one?

What's the point in playing extra toons and spending the time to gather up achievements or rep when after 5+years of the game a one time use pet is being sold in the pet stores? Give players a chance to spend real money to be able to auction off the item to get gold? Smells like Farmville greed to me lol

Oh well what's done is done i guess and no matter what we say this change imo will have more impact than most can imagine right now.
(negative impact)

I think you should give players who signed up for the yearly pass before learning of this new pet store one use system the chance to opt out of the pass. I know for one i would opt out of both the passes i have purchased. I won't quit wow but i certainly won't play 12 months straight now, that's for damn sure.
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Shauriia
Sisters of Elune
Shauriia
11/5/2011
I just cant believe it of all vanity pets the guardian cub is so cute & matches my mount,why didnt u keep it BOA? i have 14 toons i bought 1 &im not about to buy 13 more,and it would take forever to get the gold up for each of my toons.been on here almost 5 yrs & u do this to us now?I would love to have the guardian cub for all my toons but guess i wont:(
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Zenonxy
Malfurion
Zenonxy
11/4/2011
I think there should be some overall in game system that allows you to buy ANY item. My thoughts:

1. Selling items for real cash will hurt players as people won’t play as much thus making grouping harder. (as people will stop playing wow this will result in less interest in other blizzard games, in the long run this will hurt blizzard’s profits which is most likely why they have yet to implement a system since they could easily arrange it)

2.a. These new point should be earned through any game play (pvp, raiding, fishing ets). Thus I think the achievement points could be used. So say I want a chef’s hat I can either spend weeks parked in dalaran doing BORING cooking quest after cooking quest or I could use my achievement points to buy one thus allowing me to gain the item I desire but through say pvp achievements (which is far more entertaining than collecting 4 wild mustards and 4 rhino dogs every day for 40+ days).

2.b. Alternately the items can be categorised into groups and a set number of achievements points in that group will allow me to purchase items from that group (i.e. I have to do “profession” achievements to get a chef’s hat, I have to do “dungeons & raids” achievements to get raid items this then opens the door to achieve more points by doing quests/dailies in that area)

3. This new system will have to be weighted so the number of points need to obtain, for arguments sake, a chef’s hat will equate to the time/effort to do 40-50 Dalaran cooking dailies.

So in closing if indeed you want to improve player experience you should implement a similar system as describes above or give the player a choice of BOA pets or pets to trade. Alternately we can continue this little relationship where by you take every last cent from us that you can without losing too much business. If you choose the second option at least have the dignity to call a spade a spade and don’t pretend as if you are doing us favours by forcing someone to spend $10 a pet per character.
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Friendabull
Saurfang
Friendabull
11/4/2011
@Angellic Do you ever have it messed up...
There is a reason why people can buy mounts and compainon pets from the wow store, its because they don't give them ANY advantage over players who don't buy them..
You start selling gold in the Wow Store and not only do you ruin the in game economy but you provide an unfair advantage to people who are able to spend money in the blizzard store.

And as for not being able to experience content, have you tried creating a raiding team?
you want to know how people got experience in raiding? they created teams from friends in game and then researched fight mechanics and learned from wiping on bosses. And besides even IF you did get into some big raiding guild you still probably wouldn't get much of a chance to raid anyway because guilds usually have their Core team of players and only if people in the core team don't show up do they pull other people from the guild into the raid.

Do what my friends and I did, start a guild, get a 10man team together and go smash over the Ice Crown Citidel, then move onto Bastion of Twilight and Black Wing Decent following that move onto Firelands, we spent three weeks doing 'old' content and gained alot of experience from it, now we're slagging through Firelands at a reasonable pace