CoverItLive Q&A: Class Design & Balance Transcript

CoverItLive Q&A: Class Design & Balance Transcript

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Läzarus
Dath'Remar
Läzarus
5/12/2012
i have no problem with pandas pffft who gives a !@#$ its the talent trees im worried about due to lack of uniqueness every one will have the same bloody spec. and for all the kids that play they will just screw up all the raids more ppl will bring out age caps on their guilds and i have 10 toons with only 10 spots on each realm there will be 11 classes now i want MAOR toon spots
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Moctozuma
Thrall
Moctozuma
5/2/2012
Please make pandaren druids!!!! It makes sense.
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Thraggosh
Stormrage
Thraggosh
4/15/2012
i beleive the whole new talent tree for MoP is totally faulty,i mean they might think its lvlin the playin field for players,but its the individuality that other ppl come up with for THEIR talents that makes it unique.If theres no individuals then it all boils down too,that were all just dogs waiting for any kinda scraps that Blizzard feeds what they see fit.Dont be surprised to see alot more people leave for other online games if they keep feeding CRAP like this.No wonder people left to play STAR WARS ONLINE.
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Deedsman
Blackrock
Deedsman
2/6/2012
Time /played 120 days... Dont $%#ing ruin this game for me please!!!
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Deedsman
Blackrock
Deedsman
2/6/2012
Dont Get rid of mellee weapons for hunters!!!!!! You are ruining all the stuff that makes the Game fun !!! please don't make me play on a Private Server!!!! please dont do this stupid stuff, its like who really complains about this??? no one. dont take it upon yourself to fix nothing
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Fathermon
Velen
Fathermon
3/5/2012
@Deedsman: you obviously havent been keeping up, Hunters, good Hunters rather, do not use their melee wepons, they use their Bow/Gun. The Bow or Gun will be their primary and obvious stat changes to carry the loss of wepons, same with all casters, primary is Wands. They are bettering the game over-all
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Anuthas
Emerald Dream
Anuthas
11/29/2011
As to the hunter mele weapon thing, I think a GREAT way to balance it is to make bow/gun/crossbows primary weapons. Then we could take them away from hunters and rogues. This really balances out well as rogues NEED a thrown for FoK and there are plenty of tanking thrown for warriors, plus they can still throw them to pull.

Then you can take bows/guns/crossbows and give them the stats of a 2 handed weapon or slightly better. Yes this is still a slight nerf to hunters but my main is a rogue....I've been nerfed since well...ALWAYS. There have been maybe 4 patches that have buffed us in any notable way. but I don't !@#$% I love my class, for the good and the bad.

anyway I hope my suggestion makes sense and I feel like it would really help this whole debacle. And hunters, you have to admit you guys get to need roll EVERYTHING pertaining to agi...it wont kill you to lose a primary weapon slot if the buff the bows themselves and take em away from rogues/warriors.
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Chasmordon
Spinebreaker
Chasmordon
11/29/2011
Things I've noticed about warlocks:
1. If you're not Affliction you can forget about being commonly accepted in PvP.
2. If you're satisfied with being the lowbie in DPS in dungeons, without being geared a lot higher than the others, you've picked the right class.
3. It's impossible to solo higher level/elite mobs with new leveling Warlocks that I used to solo when I was leveling this one up.
4. Making a new look for Soul Harvest didn't enhance game play one bit and shouldn't be considered a "buff".
5. With interrupts and stuns it's almost impossible to defeat a melee player in PvP 1v1. Even if you do everything right, they have to do something wrong. Basically, you throw some DoTs and Fel Flame, while not interrupted/stunned, then stand there and die. Channeling is not an option. Even Death Coil rarely seems to have its fear option work. Maybe someone can shed some light on this? Look, I don't consider myself a good PvP player with 'Locks since I never really got into it for these reasons but what do you do when all your "nukes" are denied?
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Kakashì
Elune
Kakashì
11/28/2011
For all of you that are !@#$%ing and moaning about the new talent tree.
Imagine if it WAS still like in vanilla or BC or whatever.
People could go up one tree and 1/2 way up another.What would be the whole point of talent trees then?They gotta separate the talents more and more too keep from just eliminating the entire point of these "trees".
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Lissaletha
Turalyon
Lissaletha
11/28/2011
i agree with emmaanna tho stop with the nerfs to us plz :)
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Lissaletha
Turalyon
Lissaletha
11/28/2011
Hi guys i hope u stop with the nerfs to locks i really like the class and usually by the time i get the feel of it u change it up on me.. but i do have a suggestion for ya could we get a actual blizzard. walkthrew what i mean is say u pick demon for a spec make a site like Noxxic.com and up date it when patches hit. sort of a how to replay the class u love.. k its like getting a new dvd player and not having any instructions for it.. to help when MoP comes out. the idea i think im saying is u have a U-tube channel make a how to video for ppl on how to do there new toon based on spec. thank u in advance !!
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Perc
Blood Furnace
Perc
2/14/2012
@Lissaletha: so basically you say i want me class to be boring and face roll cus i dont want to take the time to mature with the class as the changes happen but if you have to do it pls show us how to do it so it takes no work at all
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Magestick
Mal'Ganis
Magestick
11/27/2011
NERF MAGES...WE ARE THE 1 % THE 99 % IS GANGING UP ON US.... lol just kidding. but yeah im a mage and frost is somewhat op. spread the love, i like the idea of fire pvp and giving u the choice of shields. :)
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Activision can suck a chode.
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Emmaanna
Malfurion
Emmaanna
11/27/2011
Come on Blizzard, you've nerfed me, nerfed my felguard and voidwalker, taken away drain mana, nerfed drain life and now on top of it you're going to take rain of fire? The demonology locks are pissed as all hell, you need to make a nerfed version for the children and return warcraft to what it once was. The new talent trees are a joke, thats why rift gives more options in talents than you could possibly ever use. If you insist on screwing the locks over again, just do away with the class, then we can do away with you.
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I agree entirely. @Emmaanna:
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Aêgor
Bleeding Hollow
Aêgor
11/27/2011
@Emmaanna: i agree with you too it is bullcrap even when they do buff us it's a damn joke.
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Rùsted
Barthilas
Rùsted
11/27/2011
@Emmaanna: i gotta say though, its not like this is a new thing, locks been getting the nerf bat since BC (possibly before) really i dont see the problem since locks actualy lack any real form of natural escape outside of CC
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Perc
Blood Furnace
Perc
2/14/2012
@Emmaanna: your felguards blade storm is stronger than a warriors and his is 41 point talent qq
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Kastrate
Stormrage
Kastrate
2/28/2012
@Emmaanna: My first toon was a lock and i totally agree. With every other patch getting a nerf to the class its kind of hard to not wanna just be done with playing him. I have stopped playing him since 4.3 due to the fact that nerfs happen a !@#$ ton. If you make a class and it has to be nerfed this many times then how many of you can mess up and so excessively? Please fix them for good or just delete them and give us a new champ of our choice that you can wreck and nerf more as well.
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Boneye
Dalvengyr
Boneye
11/27/2011
Dam stop your complaining, if you don't like how the game is going than go play something else..
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Fathermon
Velen
Fathermon
3/5/2012
@Boneye: YEA!!!!!!^
agree..
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Freeknassy
Mal'Ganis
Freeknassy
11/25/2011
Im starting to HATE this game in generally but i fel like i owe the creators so much... They works ther butts oof and i just dont gt the sense of excitement anymore whe i log on, First mistake... Making this game worthless to a csual raid guild, Second mistake showing unbelievable favortism towards classes that people in charge of the game play, Thsd mistake completey nuke nerfing my ret... I love that toon... ANd u made him almost obselete in high ranking matches... Nuff said i am so patiently waiting for diablo 3... but.... If it lets me down im goning with TOR... Nuff said im sorry blizz but you guys are the powerhouse of these games and you are declining rapidly and focusing on the wrong aspects of the game to keep players interested, 11mil subscribers... SO u all assume that 11 million people can be online for friggin 90% of there week grinding? this game dropped a while ago... A TON of your long teerm buisness ahs GROWN UP and were almot finished.. Im sorry because this game was soooo epic...
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Kyle
Tichondrius
Kyle
11/26/2011
@Freeknassy: I'm starting to hate how much people are complaining :>
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Trifecto
Ghostlands
Trifecto
11/27/2011
@Kyle: gd noob this game is declining rapidly and blizzard comes out with pandas what are we like... 5? fu blizz and anyone else who disagrees with me
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Zahasorosh
Kirin Tor
Zahasorosh
11/28/2011
@Trifecto: well if you dont freaking like it then go somwhere ele trifecto becuse its people like you and the warlocks pulling the game down around blizzards head because of all the complaining plus the warlocks are still doing 3/4 of all the dammage in whatever raid or dungeon im in so...
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Fathermon
Velen
Fathermon
3/5/2012
@Trifecto: Your an idiot Trifecto, Pandarens were around with Warcraft, a game obviously way before your time. Not only is Blizz going to their roots in Mist, but they are making the game enjoyable for everyone, including those who, during the day, have little time to raid, or those who dont like raiding, do other fun events and better their toon.
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I love pvp. But i hate that to have a edge on pvp you have to go human lol.
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Theduce
Durotan
Theduce
11/25/2011
@Kyoki: lol i destroy humans you want an edge go trolls
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Beardeth
Farstriders
Beardeth
11/26/2011
Theduce why don't you try to be more creative with your responses or remarks to people instead of well short termed ignorance with alot of posts you;'ve made or even type something more suggestive or ideas to developers or something... Do you know how? @Theduce:
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Bushwackest
Darkspear
Bushwackest
11/27/2011
@Beardeth: Look at his picture... hes a troll :D
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Yair
Azuremyst
Yair
1/18/2012
@Theduce: Dude !@#$ r u commenting every single post in here? go get a life...
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Ergooverdose
Uldaman
Ergooverdose
11/24/2011
idk i enjoy cata but i don't like one thing about MOP i am a PVE i hate PVP so idk how MOP will work for me i know theres raids but no end game bosses idk about this
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Littledeer
Argent Dawn
Littledeer
11/24/2011
Here is another idea...just concentrate on new gamecontent and stop messing around with class/spec design. Different departments? Fire class/spec designers and hire more game content designers.

The problem with cata is not enough endgame content. Instead you are worried about class balance. You can't balance classes because there are individuals playing these toons and some are better then others.
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Theduce
Durotan
Theduce
11/25/2011
@Littledeer: please stop talking let the masters do their work
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Tobiano
Earthen Ring
Tobiano
11/24/2011
I'd be more excited about MOP if Blizz would fix Cata first. Punt a turtle,ose you pet bar. Repeat. Tab target to an "invalid target" over and over. Cross bow still kicks like a gun. Been out there long enough to fix. I also hope they tweak the old dungeons they are bringing back, so they will not retain annoying nuances such as Taurens getting shoulders stuck going around corners or getting suick in walls after being feared..or hit boxes the size of doughnuts for melee. Fix these, and I would have more optimisim for what is to come.
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Hellvonkillu
Kalecgos
Hellvonkillu
11/27/2011
@Tobiano: these are all really lame suggestions. way to focus on the wrong things. im pretty sure wow's problems are bigger than "my crossbow kicking like a gun". come on man
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Tankfortard
Duskwood
Tankfortard
11/23/2011
WTF, no melee weapons, my huntard get's some of his stats from those. Where is the extra Agil. going to come from, do we get a relic of some sort?
I apologize now for the !@#$%iness but, I'm sorry there's nothing better than getting a killing blow with Raptor Strike, in PVP.

You guys should REALLY consider bringing back the old combat hunters, they were nice and balanced.

(Side note...) Bone shield for all DK classes! Just have it do something different for each presence they are in. Like for Frost Presence- Damage boost, or maybe infects the attacking target with frost fever. For Unholy- Put a 15% movement speed increase (Don't let the glyph stack or maybe let it, who knows) . In Blood Pressence- the regular 20% damage mitigation. I'm sorry, I want to tank outside the blood tree, I MISS tanking outside the blood tree, and if you were to bring bone shield back to all three, you would be able to tank outside the blood tree. I've tested out frost the frost tree extensively while in blood presence, I didn't lose any threat and did some damned good damage.
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Theduce
Durotan
Theduce
11/25/2011
@Tankfortard: lol have you learned to read??? maybe you should do so cuz the explination of this is in the explination of this.
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Hellvonkillu
Kalecgos
Hellvonkillu
11/27/2011
@Theduce: Have you learned to write? not only does your post not make any sense, but you spelled explanation wrong...twice. based on some of your other comments, your the dumbest person on this tread. go troll somewhere else