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@Findoranor: self heals are always good as a tank for when the healers slip, inbetween phases where you have luls that dont really need a tank its always nice to be able to throw out a powerful tranq or HoT yourself up making healers job easier. ya as a tank all you NEED to do is hold aggro but as a good tank you make everyone elses jobs easier by taking some of that on yourself. you just dont want to worry about anything other than sitting in bear and swiping

@Canopy: LOL. ok as the main tank and not off tank whenyou are getting hit 95% of the time leaving bear form is a bad idea!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@Findoranor: the heal does not break bearform!!! stop saying this. your argument is invalid.

@Findoranor: ya, in case you didnt notice all those real nifty tanking spells u can use in any form. they are certainly there. im starting to think you havnt even looked at the tree

@Canopy: so they take away all they useful abilities and add one spell that heals once every 2 min. How is that better than what we currently have? Its not.

@Findoranor: Click on Guardian. Look to your left. Scroll through your abilities. Everyone with a * is only for Guardian Bears. they are basically the talents that the game has now, only they are automatic. without you having to choose them. the actual TALENTS are so that you and every other bear tank arent the same. you can have fun and do different things with them, if you want. They are not even needed to perform any roles really. so QQ less. and the fact they are adding in little things. Cuz your current system is actually pretty much still there.

@Findoranor: all the spells you currently get from talents you still get as normal spells after you choose your spec. they are not taking anything away the new talents are just extra butter on your toast. read the spells before you make any more of an @ss of yourself

@Canopy: No, YOU are being narrow minded, especially when you speak about things you obviously don't know about. Like, for example, posting on your Huntard and then acting like you know about Druids. I've played every spec of Druid there is to play, for five years. Balance, Feral DpS, Feral Tank, Resto, PvP (world, Battleground and Arena modifiers) versions of all of the aforementioned, and even hybrid builds.

Further, nobody should have to be omnipotent and divine for themselves how to build a tank. Things like "Increases Threat" and "Take Less Damage" should be mentioned in specific abilities so people know this is specifically for tanking. We're not playing in our minds, we're playing from an established set of rules, in a finite domain, and unless otherwise stated, things are as they appear. Without key words like those, they're just another ability which may or may not be good for this, that or whatever. Think, man.

As far as your ludicrous statement of; "and they are dodge tanks do damage mitigation isnt all that important" I have news for you, Dodge IS mitigation. Mitigation is defined as: the act of making a condition or consequence less severe, I think if you avoid being hit, that would qualify as the definition, don't ya think?

Stop trying to talk down to people when you, yourself, don't know half of what you're talking about, to begin with.

There was nothing wrong with Druids prior to this alluded-to release. Now, just like every other class, Blizzard is intentionally breaking the game, and all the classes. Perhaps this is their way of closing the game down, so they can introduce some new product they're so proud of, and this is the way to dump the customer base, so they don't have to justify to their stockholders, or whoever, why they still spend money on World of Warcraft.

@Findoranor: Sigh...

Feline Swiftness - moving faster is good for everyone.
Nature's Swiftness - good for a PvP Bear build. Instant CCs are great.
Renewal, Cenarion Ward - great for tanking in PvE. How could you not see the value in a self heal?
Typhoon, Faerie Swarm - great for controlling mob locations.
Wild Charge - this is Feral Charge
Force of Nature - Who knows? Might absorb damage.
Incarnation - More damage, more threat, stuff dies faster, you live longer!
Demoralizing Roar - How is an AoE stun not useful for tanks?
Ursol's Vortex - great for mob positioning!
Bear Hug - sounds like it might do a ton of damage and prevent a ton of damage in some situations.

... and so on.

@Ashunera: moving faster as a tank whenyou stand still 90% of the time give me a break. I amnot a pvp bear I am an end game raider. a self heal that removes bear form stupid. faerie swarm is ok. wild charge is pointless in raids. you dont charge but once a pull pointless. incarnation increases spell dmg not physical dmg read! demoralizing roar use to lower physical dmg output now it is a pvp spec point not raiding. ursol's is ok but not really great. Bear hug is absolutely pointless as a tank you can not do any other action as it says so it is stupid. Let's see here, let me pull a mob and stand still for 3 sec unable to attack or do anything.

@Findoranor: if you lose aggro or there are adds you may need to charge. the heal doesnt break bearform. lol stop crying to much dude.

@Voodooshades: I am sick of the game changing because people cant play. There is nothing wrong with the curren system. And the new system looks absolutely fail. I don't care what any of you say the main tank should not be healing the raid. Also leaving bear form as the "MAIN" tank is a bad idea as i have said numerous times. Leave it up to the nubs and people who cant read the current system to like the new one.

@Findoranor: You Must have downsyndrome. The heal is like last stand. It DOES NOT break bearform. go re read the talent. You are making a fool of yourself. When you choose your spec at 10. as you level. your tanking talents from the system now, are automatically given to you. so the old system is still there. the talents they are giving us, in the new system, are not even needed. to be honest. you could tank fine without any of them. is a choice. stop crying. seriously.

@Skink: Shamans specifically do look a lot less "complete" than, say, Druids and Warlocks do. Some of them are clearly further along than others, and Shamans seem to be pretty far behind in development so far.

@Findoranor: I see at least a dozen great Bear tanking talents in the Druid tree.

@Findoranor: Haha over react much? A lot of these actually look great. How about you test them first before you say they all are bad?

@Malrott: I know! It's horrible choice cause, you know, ret is the only pally spec :/

@Valgore: You're aware there are something like 720 possible talent combinations in this new system, with 3 different specs, for a total possible 2160 different builds, not counting glyphs, gear, gems, reforges etc?

How do you figure it's easy and linear?

@Ashunera: Oh. And 11 classes, so 23760 different possible builds. Not counting glyphs/gems/reforges.

@Ashunera: prbly cause its small xD just let the kids rant it out. they'll be enjoying it when it finally drops just like every expansion

@Valgore: You realise even now all spells use mana cost a % of your mana pool right?

@Franny: But your spells will heal for more, meaning you don't need to cast as many, and can therefore get by spending less mana than Average Joe.

@Franny: most spells cost a % of your "base" mana, not total intellect

@Findoranor: what about ursol vortex? turns you into a damn black hole, swipe, ???, profit

@Meanpeen: they will never do that. They tell us what they think we want is what the players want...ala POKEMON.

@Meanpeen: I agree, a poll would really show Blizzard what the community wants but as Supahmen said most of the time it is them giving us what they think might be cool with no community say-so.