World of Warcraft®

@Kittyhealz: QQ more bruddah, dont like it dont use it.

@Kittyhealz: I agree, let the lame !@# players have LFR and leave the normal raids alone.

@Kittyhealz: can you cry and complain a little bit more? some people don't have all day to play and research how to get that extra 100dps. most people just wanna have fun and kill stuff. so let them do it without having to worry about people giving them crap for it. you're a bamf for beating a something without a buff, you want a cookie? grow up and just play the game and not worry about everyone else.

@Kittyhealz: stop crying over everything, if you dont link it, turn off the debuff, still too easy? do heroic.

@Kittyhealz: You do realize that not only one person can carry 9/24 other players through heroic mode 8/8 correct? Here's how raiding works, top guilds already have members and are ready to down stuff the first week of release, they only want to recruit new members that are close to them in progression. This cuts out people that were not in a top guild the day of release and had to work through getting a group set up and ready to go. They could be fully geared now through normal mode, this still doesn't put them in one of the top raiding guilds on the server, because by that time those guilds have done several heroic bosses and only want people who have also done several heroic bosses. You can't start your own group and catch up, because your starting on the bottom, to get to the top you need some of the best on your realm. Where are the best, in a top end guild already. So try as you may to catch up, it simply will never happen. No matter how "skilled" you are you can NEVER carry a group by yourself to victory. As for your whole "go and study the fight, read up on it, learn the raid mechanics, Test new builds and new reforges to optimize their gear for the best output of whatever their class is" fill free to look at my gear, ask me any question about any mechanic on any fight heroic/normal and take a nice long look at my reforges if you so wish. You'll see nothing wrong, and I'll answer every question you ask. Still i'm 8/8 normal and not getting any further any time soon. Thanks have a good day.

@Kittyhealz: You talkin about the heroic title? because the normal one meant nothing even before the nerf.

@Ålthena: Or howse about they exercise a brain cell and try to become a good player like those with the "ego strokes"?

@Moonleaf: when will players ever learn that your epeen is only as big as the amount of money you pay for your mmo, oh wait, it's the same size as everybody else's, who would've thought. While i actually did defeat DS and 7/8 hm without the buff, i am certainly not going to beat up blizz for creating the path that allowed people who don't play 8 hours a day to enjoy the same game i do.

@Moonleaf: Its not about making it just easier. It makes it doable for the people that don't play more than 5 hours a week.

@Veltha: Use of a poor rhetorical, the assumption that the poster needs a lesson, and veiled diatribes... Really? Okay. (-9 pnts)

Do you pick up and take home every rock from the ground you were to pass?
(A safe assumption: no)
Then, why would you pick up and take home even a single 5 lb. diamond from the ground you were to pass?

Because the diamond has great value ! (*ding, ding, ding*)

It's painfully obvious that poster is requesting a design level reconsideration for a return to the game’s roots (not a complete abandonment). After all, what is the value of something which only requires $15 a month to ‘accomplish’? It renders a lashed feeling of being tricked by designers for being gullible enough to overcome an epic challenge before an epic effort was to be removed or significantly marginalized on post progression raids.

It may be surprising but some people enjoy, and at some level need, extremely difficult group challenges without an automatic guarantee of victory through 'free win' mechanisms and in doing so, becoming part of a rare and exclusive club of victors. (What percent of people deny promotions which will triple a salary?) Additionally, it’s to have verification that learning the character, the fight pattern requirements, getting along with the group even in the wipe weeks, etc. actually built up to something epically worthwhile and epically valuable; which is what has been missing for many years in ‘world of casualcrafting (only)’ (as rain is to a desert). The design level war against top-end raid focused guilds’ continues.

Make something ultra-rare and it becomes ultra-valuable (here in terms of ultra-low success rates) and people will show up in droves drooling and burning with desire. - Welcome to a fundamental human trait (which can be exploited to enormous profit and fame). So let the games begin!

@Jamathorn:

Heroic Corruptions have more HP. Or you can turn off the nerf. (:

@Jamathorn: lol, did he say 'baby gamers'.... LAWL!

@Muhtotems: wrath was a joke as well, dude. and to throw your statements back at you, "it's kewl that you want a seriously challenging game so you can brag about your epeen in troll chat... er i mean trade chat', it's kewl that you think the game you pay $15 a month for is a joke (wait does that mean the joke is on you?). Sorry, i forgot, for some of us this is a game and not an epeen contest.

@Lockstare: well said, sir. It's just too bad that all these online 'epeeners' feel the need to say 'my alt daddy can beat up your alt daddy'. Enjoy the game the way YOU want to enjoy it, not the way others seem to believe that's the ONLY way to enjoy it. Billion people in China could care less who killed DW fist on hm with level 378 gear.

@Veltha: News Flash the people in china play a different version of wow than us. Because of strict laws over there.

@Muhtotems: That is so true.

@Muhtotems: And by giving bad players epic gear. you create Trolls.