Bringing Achievements to the Account Level

Bringing Achievements to the Account Level

We recently added account-level changes to achievements in World of Warcraft: Mists of Pandaria, and there’s still a lot of work left before we’re done. The plan here is to illustrate the intent behind our design, which should in turn help you figure out the answers to many of your questions.

Overall, we never want you to play Character A instead of Character B because of achievement concerns. If Character A had the Violet Proto-Drake, then you might not play Character B. If Character A was only one holiday away from the Violet Proto-Drake, then you may not play Character B. If Character A had completed most of the raid achievements from Dragon Soul, you may not want to bring Character B for one fight and miss out on the achievement. Having alts is cool and working on achievements is cool, but we don’t want the two systems to work against each other.

This goal is paramount and drives everything else. If we allowed you to earn extra achievement points from completing an achievement on two different characters, then you might only want to play the character with the most points and you’d feel like you had to grind through all the achievements with every alt, thus defeating the purpose of having account-level achievements.

Most achievements are account-wide

This means you only earn the points once. If you have earned an achievement on one character, you can see it on all your characters. However, and this is important, you will still see the achievement toast (the pop-up notification) if a second or subsequent character completes the achievement. We think it’s still important to recognize milestones like reaching level 80, maxing out a profession, or killing a raid boss for the first time. It's fun to have everyone congratulate you when you get the toast. Nonetheless, this will just be a new character of yours completing the achievement that you’ve already earned on your account. You won’t double up on points.

Most criteria are not account-wide

If you start an achievement on one character, you can't then finish the achievement on another (there are exceptions, so please keep reading). We didn't think it made sense for one character to get level 60 and another to get level 20 and then see the "level 80" achievement toast. If you start to explore Thousand Needles on one character, you’ll probably want to finish that achievement on the same character.

Some achievements are "meta achievements."

These are achievements that require you to get other specific achievements. An infamous example is "What a Long, Strange Trip It's Been." These achievements generally ARE account-wide. If one character earned Noble Gardener and another character earned The Flame Warden, then your account would get Long Strange Trip. (Otherwise it would be weird: it would look as if you had the sub-achievements, but you wouldn't have the meta-achievement). Even though you need Explore Thousand Needles on one character, all of your characters can contribute to Explore Kalimdor.

A few achievements are account-only.

There are two categories of account-only achievements. One is achievements that are not possible to earn on one character. If we made an achievement to level every class to level 90, it would be account-only. (I'm not sure we will, but it's a good example.) The other category are achievements that are just brutal to complete on one character (and you’d never want to do for multiples), such as 2500 daily quests or 250K honorable kills. In these cases, the cumulative work of all your characters on those criteria will count.

We hope that rewards granted from achievements (pets, mounts, titles, and tabards) will be shared at the account level.

 I'm not going to promise this yet, because a lot of magic has to happen for that to work, but it's our intent. We have discussed having a character level requirement for some rewards, so that your level-2 gnome couldn’t walk around with the “Defender of a Shattered World” title just because your level-90 shaman earned it. If the gnome made it to level 80, though, you could proudly show off your title. You also won’t be able to use a faction-specific pet, mount, or title on the wrong faction. The achievement wouldn’t go away -- you just wouldn’t be able to show it off on that character. There are probably additional exceptions and details we’ll find as we dig deeper into the system.

This is the kind of system that will evolve over time, and we don’t think this has to be the way achievements work forever. As beta players start experimenting with it and offering feedback, I am certain that we will end up making even more changes.

Greg “Ghostcrawler” Street is Lead Systems Designer for World of Warcraft. He loves you very, very much. Yes, you.

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Tarayahle
Doomhammer
Tarayahle
5/8/2012
ah finally i could stop playing JUST on tara (she is my main) and focus on other toons as well <3 (i love achievements lol)
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Korbendallas
Garona
Korbendallas
5/8/2012
I would love to see ghostcrawler respond to this... however i know thats dreaming.

I have a paladin that i did quite a bit of work on her back in vanilla to get to rank 9 PVP title. This enables her to use the lvl 60 PVP gear as transmog. However i dont really play her any more and i love love love the look of the gold gear. Does this mean that my warrior will now be able to transmog that gear. If So you have no idea how much you just made my day.

If some one knows for sure that would be great. I would also love to be able to show off my Knight Champion Title on my warrior. It sucks not being able to show off that you played in vanilla just because you changed your class.
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Ashter
Kil'jaeden
Ashter
5/8/2012
I can't wait for this. I'm getting more and more to the point where I don't have as much time to play as I used to, and having certain titles, my chopper or traveler's tundra mammoth across all my characters without having to farm the for them over and over again is a welcomed change.
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Sabatieni
Winterhoof
Sabatieni
5/8/2012
My primary concern is that I'll run out of stuff to do. I *love* doing achievements, especially the Holiday ones, on all my characters (yes, even SoHK!). For me, completing the same achievements on alts adds a tremendous amount to WoW's replayability.

Imagine if Madness only dropped loot for you once, on the first victory, and that was it?
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Clonekiller
Nesingwary
Clonekiller
5/8/2012
@Sabatieni: agreed. i DON'T want the achievements on all my toons, just the ones that did it. i want to earn the achievement with the other toons. getting a raid achievement with a druid is different that doing it with a warrior. even the quest achievements, or prof achievements. hope you give an option if you want it to spread to all toons or just be toon specific.
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Noxmu
Nesingwary
Noxmu
5/8/2012
@Clonekiller: Right...I just made a suggestion prior to reading your post that they should have an "opt in/out" like they do for turning off and on xp. Some of us enjoy the work of getting certain achievements and the sense of pride and accomplishment that goes with it. I don't want all my alts gifted because my main did all the work. Each character is a separate personality!
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Tweedz
Korgath
Tweedz
5/8/2012
So when you say "most" are we to assume that some achievements will remain at the character level only, or is this referring to the ones that are only account wide and can't be earned by a single character?

I can honestly only see myself playing a different character if every single current achievement gets shared to my other toons. If even one category remains toon specific, I have no reason to leave the work I have done on this guy.
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Adele
Silver Hand
Adele
5/8/2012
@Tweedz: I'm guessing that things like leveling (10, 20...80, 85) will stay character-specific, but I'm not sure that there's much else that would, logically. Like, professions could easily go account-wide and also gain some others like: "Level every profession to XXX" - which would encourage playing alts.
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Matadortoro
Azjol-Nerub
Matadortoro
5/8/2012
I love this idea. I have very specifically played mostly on just one toon since WoW introduced achievements, it will be nice to be able to do it with other characters as well. Very well thought out. Thanks!
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Percules
Hyjal
Percules
5/8/2012
i avoid leveling alts and doing particularly achievement heavy things when guild members are online because of the achievement announcing
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Absorb
Burning Legion
Absorb
5/8/2012
I want my Spirit of Competition on my other characters!
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Chikatree
Moon Guard
Chikatree
5/8/2012
I'm really hoping for accountwide mounts (and pets)
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Kittahsmash
Skullcrusher
Kittahsmash
5/8/2012
2500 daily quests is brutal? Please, I'm already up to 3k on this character alone!
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Satoshy
Stormrage
Satoshy
5/8/2012
I like it
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Yazmir
Antonidas
Yazmir
5/8/2012
Can I just say THANK YOU SO MUCH! I stopped playing a paladin halfway through this expansion and started on a warlock. The paladin was my main and she had all the achievements and such. I want my warlock to replace the paladin in every way. I even started working on 150 pets again and I've already gotten over 5k achieve points on my lock. Now, I don't have to worry about the achieves any more. Thank God and Blizzard. lol
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Voldemort
Blackhand
Voldemort
5/8/2012
So I can use my druids headless horseman mount on my lock soon?

Thank you, Tom Cruise.
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Ombra
Area 52
Ombra
5/8/2012
OH AND MAKE LEGENDARYS BOA!
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Korbendallas
Garona
Korbendallas
5/8/2012
@Ömbra: I would love to see this as i have a hand of rag that just sits on my pally that i never play any more.
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Xiaodeet
Illidan
Xiaodeet
5/8/2012
@Ömbra:

make all gears BOA
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Rexxär
Ysera
Rexxär
5/8/2012
I love it :)
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Tygroen
Sen'jin
Tygroen
5/8/2012
Any way that we can have a Q&A for this feature? I know of course it's incomplete as of now, but I was wondering what's going to happen to the achievements that are faction specific? Like for example you have to be Horde to do the Hillsbrad Quests Achievement, and Alliance to do the Bloodmyst Isle Quests Achievement. Would these both show up in your horde character's achievement interface, just obviously only completed by your alliance character(s), and thus would your "account achievements" get the points? Is there the same achievement interface for all characters, or will different characters see different things (specifically, those of different factions)? Do achievements completed on another character give you points visibly on say your main character?
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Jinxxer
Dark Iron
Jinxxer
5/8/2012
I'm of the school of thought that this is a much needed evolution of the achievement's system. I can actually see it going further than just World of Warcraft, and seeing it morph into a Battle.net achievement systems that not only spans Warcraft, but all Blizz titles (much like we see on the consoles right now wit Sony and Microsoft).

Keep mind, for those hating on the idea of mounts going to account-wide, that you DON'T have to make an alt if you're afraid of losing the "specialness" of earning a mount, title, or achievement. And there is still PLENTY of things I can see remaining character only (reputation, for example).
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Ombra
Area 52
Ombra
5/8/2012
What about achievements such as raid metas? Say i kill all the heroic bosses on one character and want to complete the other parts of the meta (holding hands, ping pong champion, etc.) on a different character. Would this be something considered?
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Nistavis
Emerald Dream
Nistavis
5/8/2012
What does this mean exactly please?
~ I am getting "Bloodthirsty" title on this warlock this week, does that mean ALL my chars will be able to wear it in MoP?
~ Will the title be Less Rare in MoP?
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Shadydk
Tichondrius
Shadydk
5/8/2012
Have they said if the "account wide" is going to be across all realms? Or is it just for the toons that you have on that realm like "BoA heirloom items"
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Rammbone
Bladefist
Rammbone
5/8/2012
@Shadydk: agree, good question
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Riyssa
Laughing Skull
Riyssa
5/8/2012
I approve of this development.
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Stevyn
Bloodhoof
Stevyn
5/8/2012
Thank you.

From the bottom of my heart, thank you.
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Alona
Cenarion Circle
Alona
5/8/2012
Good. This is exactly what I wanted. Worst part about alt leveling is knowing you're missing all the cool stuff from your main.
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Zezethex
Alexstrasza
Zezethex
5/8/2012
@Alona: True piled on top of true. I love leveling, but I hate the generic mounts and absolutely no titles...
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Butterednuts
Nordrassil
Butterednuts
5/8/2012
Thank you Blizzard.
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Luciendar
Khaz Modan
Luciendar
5/8/2012
My name is Luciendar and I approve this post.
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Verts
Zul'jin
Verts
5/8/2012
Sounds great : )

This wouldn't include the sandstone drake amount, as that is from vial of the sands, not an achievement. It may be included when they do account wide pets and mounts though, but yeah... that's not really connected to achievements.
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Chewnok
Akama
Chewnok
5/8/2012
@Verts: They already have account wide mounts silly.
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Noxmu
Nesingwary
Noxmu
5/8/2012
@Verts: Um, isn't that a Feat of Strength? "As of 4.1 there is an achievement for obtaining and learning the dragon." So although it is an achievement, having had to purchase the item probably is what denies it from being included.
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Théia
Thunderhorn
Théia
5/8/2012
MOOOOOOOO
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Jawalock
Stormrage
Jawalock
5/8/2012
thats pretty cool
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Deceitful
Anvilmar
Deceitful
5/8/2012
I support these changes, thanks for keeping us updated!
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Quick question, could your Paladin use your Warlock's mount and vice versa if you earned the achievement from getting it way back when?
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Marcusq
Darkspear
Marcusq
5/8/2012
That is all well and good but will Master flying be given to all characters if we have achieved the violet protodrake? I mean it does take a year @.@