Bringing Achievements to the Account Level

Bringing Achievements to the Account Level

We recently added account-level changes to achievements in World of Warcraft: Mists of Pandaria, and there’s still a lot of work left before we’re done. The plan here is to illustrate the intent behind our design, which should in turn help you figure out the answers to many of your questions.

Overall, we never want you to play Character A instead of Character B because of achievement concerns. If Character A had the Violet Proto-Drake, then you might not play Character B. If Character A was only one holiday away from the Violet Proto-Drake, then you may not play Character B. If Character A had completed most of the raid achievements from Dragon Soul, you may not want to bring Character B for one fight and miss out on the achievement. Having alts is cool and working on achievements is cool, but we don’t want the two systems to work against each other.

This goal is paramount and drives everything else. If we allowed you to earn extra achievement points from completing an achievement on two different characters, then you might only want to play the character with the most points and you’d feel like you had to grind through all the achievements with every alt, thus defeating the purpose of having account-level achievements.

Most achievements are account-wide

This means you only earn the points once. If you have earned an achievement on one character, you can see it on all your characters. However, and this is important, you will still see the achievement toast (the pop-up notification) if a second or subsequent character completes the achievement. We think it’s still important to recognize milestones like reaching level 80, maxing out a profession, or killing a raid boss for the first time. It's fun to have everyone congratulate you when you get the toast. Nonetheless, this will just be a new character of yours completing the achievement that you’ve already earned on your account. You won’t double up on points.

Most criteria are not account-wide

If you start an achievement on one character, you can't then finish the achievement on another (there are exceptions, so please keep reading). We didn't think it made sense for one character to get level 60 and another to get level 20 and then see the "level 80" achievement toast. If you start to explore Thousand Needles on one character, you’ll probably want to finish that achievement on the same character.

Some achievements are "meta achievements."

These are achievements that require you to get other specific achievements. An infamous example is "What a Long, Strange Trip It's Been." These achievements generally ARE account-wide. If one character earned Noble Gardener and another character earned The Flame Warden, then your account would get Long Strange Trip. (Otherwise it would be weird: it would look as if you had the sub-achievements, but you wouldn't have the meta-achievement). Even though you need Explore Thousand Needles on one character, all of your characters can contribute to Explore Kalimdor.

A few achievements are account-only.

There are two categories of account-only achievements. One is achievements that are not possible to earn on one character. If we made an achievement to level every class to level 90, it would be account-only. (I'm not sure we will, but it's a good example.) The other category are achievements that are just brutal to complete on one character (and you’d never want to do for multiples), such as 2500 daily quests or 250K honorable kills. In these cases, the cumulative work of all your characters on those criteria will count.

We hope that rewards granted from achievements (pets, mounts, titles, and tabards) will be shared at the account level.

 I'm not going to promise this yet, because a lot of magic has to happen for that to work, but it's our intent. We have discussed having a character level requirement for some rewards, so that your level-2 gnome couldn’t walk around with the “Defender of a Shattered World” title just because your level-90 shaman earned it. If the gnome made it to level 80, though, you could proudly show off your title. You also won’t be able to use a faction-specific pet, mount, or title on the wrong faction. The achievement wouldn’t go away -- you just wouldn’t be able to show it off on that character. There are probably additional exceptions and details we’ll find as we dig deeper into the system.

This is the kind of system that will evolve over time, and we don’t think this has to be the way achievements work forever. As beta players start experimenting with it and offering feedback, I am certain that we will end up making even more changes.

Greg “Ghostcrawler” Street is Lead Systems Designer for World of Warcraft. He loves you very, very much. Yes, you.

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Kiiralexi
Dragonblight
Kiiralexi
5/27/2012
I wonder, in the guild tab you can sort by achievement points. If the #1 guy in the guild has 10 toons, will he have the top 10 spots or will there be some way of distinguishing accounts in guilds and not just characters.
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Kaýnen
Shu'halo
Kaýnen
5/27/2012
@Kiiralexi: Nah if its account bound itll be the account im sure. But Im using common sense. I cant say others will follow.
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Kaýnen
Shu'halo
Kaýnen
5/27/2012
Yes it is a fabulous idea. Ive been writing wow since burning crusades about that idea. Maybe I look at things diferently. I wouldve implemented that from day 1. Great to see it finaly come but wth took to long?
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Purevil
Cenarius
Purevil
5/27/2012
wow boa mounts pets and now achievements. What a great idea. Now i won't have to play WOW until MoP comes out and will get everything free. You people are brilliant. You are saving me a bunch of money I would have wasted playing WOW by giving me all the things I use to enjoy doing. Why are you trying to kill this game?
RETARDED
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Erigoras
Eitrigg
Erigoras
5/27/2012
@Purevil:

QQ moar
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Purevil
Cenarius
Purevil
5/27/2012
@Erigoras: if you pay attention. mounts and pets are going to be account wide. All of them
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Blúèbäbý
Sargeras
Blúèbäbý
5/27/2012
@Purevil: I know right, I hated when the boa came out but then it took awhile to get use to it.
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Denathon
Tanaris
Denathon
5/28/2012
@Purevil: Actually, it seems to me that pets are the only things that are automatically account bound (but that's because of the pet battling system, a completely separate issue). The only mounts that will be account bound will be the ones that are an achievement award. Such as the Flame Hippogryph from doing all the Firelands dailies. Not, for example, the Raven Lord, which is a drop from a boss, which awards the FoS, not the other way around.
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Logarri
Lightninghoof
Logarri
5/29/2012
@Denathon: Frankly you act as though Blizz is just going to unlock every achievement for everyone upon MoPs launch, THEY AREN"T, quit making stupid statements like this!
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Denathon
Tanaris
Denathon
6/2/2012
@Logarri: ...what?
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Sparhauk
Doomhammer
Sparhauk
5/27/2012
I really think a lot of people (especially those complaining) are missing the point, they're hearing one thing, and then blotting out the rest. Basically, as i understand it, what they are doing is letting other players see that you, the player, have completed these achievements reguardless of what character you are playing, and the achievements with rewards, such as mounts or titles, will apply to all your characters, when they reach an appropriate level. It says right in the post that they're not stopping you from getting achievements on another character, you'll still get it, still get the boom and the congrats. All this does is let everyone see what achievements you have gotten as a player, not as a character. Ill be honest, i don't see the problem with the idea, makes perfect sense to me. However, since the QQers will never stop !@#$%ing, id suggest adding something to the achievements where it shows what characters you have that have completed the achievement. Still share the rewards, but add something that tells players which of your characters has completed it. That should stop some confusion with raids for instance, it'd show that you have knowledge of the raid, and how to beat it, but maybe aren't prepared yet with your current character. makes sense doesn't it?
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Lilrent
Altar of Storms
Lilrent
5/27/2012
@Sparhauk: The whole character thing won't work because idk about you but so many people get carried now a days it'd defeat the point of that, you know?
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Kaýnen
Shu'halo
Kaýnen
5/27/2012
@Sparhauk: Yeah some responses make you think "are they even reading the blog after the title". I dont see any reason to complain about this unless your like me and want to know what took them so long to do it. :)
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Sparhauk
Doomhammer
Sparhauk
5/28/2012
@Lilrent: I understand what you mean, but those types of people will be getting away with that reguardless, i think adding in something that shows which of your characters has the achievements would be a good idea. Theres always people that it wont apply to because they "cheated" but thats not going to stop. for the majority of players, it'd help distinguish which characters have done the deed, again speaking mostly about raid achievements here. If you worked hard on something on one character, you deserve the right to brag and show off on your other characters, i just think they should show which of your characters has the actual achievements, and which are just basking in their glow lol.
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Alithvia
Sentinels
Alithvia
5/28/2012
@Sparhauk: Yes that's a great idea. If they don't add that from the start, then maybe once we've had time to test it in game, they might add something similar.
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Panne
Uldaman
Panne
5/27/2012
I like the idea of account wide achievements and I like the aknowledgment of them but......what good are the ''points''? Allow them to be used for something or just dump them altogether.The idea of using them to measure 'who won' as an idea of why to have them is ludicrous, since this is a game that does not end. Get rid of them or have them used for SOMETHING!
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Jaylock
Zuluhed
Jaylock
5/27/2012
What about heirloom banks? I have my own guild just so my alts can have a common bank. Great for banking but I'm not interested in leading a guild. It is harder to join a raid group from an outside guild so my toons miss out on many raids and rated bg. Be nice to have Heirloom banks so my alts and share a common bank and still join other guilds for raids and rated bg.
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Jedrick
Zuluhed
Jedrick
5/27/2012
I like this idea for achievements, but these cannot be full achievements. I cannot earn a raid achievement on one geared toon, then switch to another toon whos geared just enough to get into the raid. Most groups couldn't carry (or don't want to) marginally geared people.
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Humberfloob
Draka
Humberfloob
5/27/2012
So there is NOT an achievement for time lost proto drake / phosph, and that is the MAIN mount that screws people over to have on an alt.

The whole goal of this thing is to make is so we don't prefer a character because of the achievements or mounts he or she has.

MAKE IT ALL MOUNTS, NOT JUST MOUNTS FROM ACHIEVEMENTS because you guys are too freaking lazy to even award us for finding those extremely rare rares.

In fact, it would probably be a lot easier to implement that way, anyway.
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Erigoras
Eitrigg
Erigoras
5/27/2012
@Humberfloob:

Dude. Mounts all account wide.
lol
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Kokuyoukishi
Doomhammer
Kokuyoukishi
6/16/2012
@Erigoras: Yep... Except class specifics (duh).
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Kokuyoukishi
Doomhammer
Kokuyoukishi
6/16/2012
@Kokuyoukishi: Although class specifics were account wide at the very start, in the beta xD Pally on a Dreadsteed ftw?!
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Herbski
Thunderlord
Herbski
5/27/2012
All I can say is........ Herb..!
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Tizerk
Draenor
Tizerk
5/29/2012
@Herbski: I like yuor answer! :)
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Tizerk
Draenor
Tizerk
5/29/2012
@Tizerk: oops sorry for fail at spelling your lol
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Mabry
Spirestone
Mabry
5/26/2012
I have to say I don't like this idea... not saying it is a bad idea, but what if I only want certain achievements on my main and not say my bank toon. I like being able to pick and choose which characters have the achievements and the ones that don't.
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Mantuz
Azjol-Nerub
Mantuz
5/27/2012
@Mabry: They would award the achievements at the level that character A got them, so you wouldn't have to worry.
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Elisabeta
Khaz'goroth
Elisabeta
5/26/2012
I love this idea, i have heaps of raid achieves on my main and now I can take my alts who have no achieves and finish then without always being on my mage.
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Thylorion
Zuluhed
Thylorion
5/26/2012
I don't like this idea, I like being able to earn my achievements for all my characters. I feel I am being cheated here. Half the fun of starting a new character is earning the achievements and now they want to take that away from us. I am very disappointed with this idea.
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Damnedevil
Gurubashi
Damnedevil
5/27/2012
@Thylorion: .... so you realize that you can STILL do that.. they're just implimenting a tab where it all collects in one place, ya??

... or maybe not
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Kokuyoukishi
Doomhammer
Kokuyoukishi
6/16/2012
@Thylorion: You still get the achievement toast window each and every time you get an achievement. Just, if you have already obtained that achievement on another character, you won't get another 10 points for it.
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Sstret
Nordrassil
Sstret
5/26/2012
Peek you completly missed the point. :) A completely new and just as profound title for cumulative hk's. Seperate from Bloodthirsty. And as far as that goes, That old title should never have been taken away. All the best. Ss
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Jelal
Arathor
Jelal
5/26/2012
A most excellent Idea! time to dust off my drood, dk, shammy and hunter. lol
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Skatonic
Shadowmoon
Skatonic
5/26/2012
About time! This has seriously kept me from excelling in other characters because doing the work all over again is far too monotonous and feels unrewarding.
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Erigoras
Eitrigg
Erigoras
5/27/2012
@Skatonic:

Exactly. Who likes doing the same acheivement over and over again? This is great for altholics like myself.
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Peekáboo
Barthilas
Peekáboo
5/26/2012
Sstret, your idea on the 250k title sounds good, however as an old school Grand Marshal, we lost our exclusive title also, i don't think it would be then fair to let one group keep the exclusive title, after the other is available again. I understand your feelings on the matter, as i myself was not happy after doing probably the worst grind in the game, to watch it handed out again, but in this case 250k kills is alot, and its still going to take a huge effort and a long time for people to get. I think if people have got the kills, then they deserve the title.
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Gobassassin
Aggramar
Gobassassin
5/26/2012
hey when does the pandaren come out?
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Erigoras
Eitrigg
Erigoras
5/27/2012
@Gobassassin:

September.
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Malthusian
Caelestrasz
Malthusian
5/26/2012
this sounds like a very cool idea.. but it BETTER be retro-active and include allprevious ahieves...
if you guys reset my LOREMASTER quest count just before i get it again i will be SERIOUSLY pissed off.

having shared mounts i hope will also be retro active. would be nice to use my rocket on my goblin. and having the Albino Drake on all my toons would be just AWESOME
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Skatonic
Shadowmoon
Skatonic
5/26/2012
@Malthusian: I agree that it would be cool to have the collection achieves (I'm a companion fiend), but are they making all companions and mounts account wide? Because otherwise it would be strange to give out the achieves.