World of Warcraft®

I don't understand why they can't have two difficulties with reglar and Heroic, versions for both kinda like how Diablo has regular and Hardcore modes why not choose regular or heroic first, then choose regular or Hardcore or even choose Regular or hardcore when you roll your toon and have the difficulty adjust accordingly

The raid has been out half a year. The nerf is basically to allow people who have not done it to get it done before the next expansion. The hardcore players should have had their fill by now.

Perhaps Blizz should make hard-mode servers, and normal mode servers. I for one miss the days of harder pve content. So what if you couldnt get a mount until level 40, or got smacked down by an elite in outland? I agree both with hardcore players, and casual players on this issue. I think with the amount of $$ that Blizz collects, that BOTH player bases can be accomidated. It is as if there is really no challenge in levelling anymore, which i guess is fine for casual players, however it takes out a great deal of fun for me. I think end-game raids should remain hard for hardcore players. Let casuals have a nerfmode server. I think ppl who work really hard to down bosses should not have to see a new 85 down Deathwing in one shot. For people who say, 'you can turn the buff off', I can tell you now, its not easy to find folks that will be willing to do that. Especially since a lot of hardcore raiders are not playing anymore.

Anyone that is complaining that the raid is too easy turn off the debuff try going through with ignoring mechanics then tell me that you are so pro and give me the youtube video with links to you standing around and just trying to straight dps the bosses down dont grab the sappers or warmaster dont grab any of the crystals on morchok dont kill atleast one slime on yor'sajh let the dispell debuff outside of bubble on hagera have everyone stay out and take the hour of twilights at the same time on Ultraxion don't roll on spine and all in all just ignore all mechanics when you can do that and be 8/8 heroic then yeah the raid is to hard so !@#$ and stop qqing

I completely pugged 7/8 heroic no wipes, blizzard seriously, they were not even heroic geared we also carried 10 people through it (as they bought gear) so you can basically do 7/8 heroic with 15 people who are not even heroic geared, this is ridiculous if you keep going this way you will lose all your long term buyers that have played since vinilla and have raided since then as all my high progressed friends have quit because its too easy, even without the nerf it was too easy all these casuals are going to control the game and your hardcore players can't do a thing as all !@#$s progressed in a matter of hours. change it or i bet most of your hard core players will say hey, why not play a difficult game that challenges us, makes us feel as those weeks and months of progression has been worth it or make a way both players can experience it such as say, have a bh raid with 6 bosses all considerably easy, have heroic versions and challenge casuals and have a completely new raid to challenge the most progressed and maybe even the best with normal raids! god that would be amazing i would love it, people would need to get better, not complain to you saying I'm %^-* make me better by making it easier, last night i found a 6/8 heroic fire mage that did not know his rotation! or even how to pull more then 13k on some firelands bosses. blizzard seriously if i could pug 7/8 Dragon soul is screwed up and easy. all my charters have 3/8+ even the ones i levelled up 3 weeks ago!

Lets go back to classic and BC when raiding was a challenge, you would grind with your guild to get that one epic to get you better, you supported eachother and progressed as a team at a rate that was made by how much you worked with eachother. This nerfing and LFR systems are bad and have made Cata and even some WOTLK content, a joke.

People that are complaining about not seeing content should go to youtube. You can check my armory, I'm a VERY casual player. So much so that I have never stepped into a normal or heroic raid on this toon. How is it fair that I should have "the same experience" as those that are willing and able to devote 5x the time and effort to the game? If you are willing/able to do more, you should get more. That's the way that it used to be, anyway. . . Blizz answers to the dollar, though. Just like the rest of the world.

people complain about not seeing content? please QQ more so they nerf harder, you can do LFR if you wanna see the content, dont ruin the game for the people that might actually have some skill, or atleast make it so those that can complete the raid without the nerf get the real achieve, and just give a you just suck achieve to those that can only do it cause of the nerf

i dont get why ppl think you need to be super hard core in order to raid to end teir heroic progression. took a break when ds started, came back in april and hit 8/8H by July raiding 2 nights a week. and this is on a low ranked progression server...like 200 US.

you dont need to be hardcore, you just need to play well when you do play.

I personally hate the extremity of the nerfs. i know that I am not good enough to do it without any nerfs, but we had 2 ppl die to platform jumps on madness on the way to 4th plat and we still killed it with the 30% nerf...thats a bit much. People say that they want to "see the end content". With the 30% nerf you can completely skip certain things that you couldnt avoid with 5 or 10%. You're not seeing the real end content with 30% nerf. You're stupid if you think you are.

Hey Blizzard! To make people to stop complaining about people nerfing DS. Then why not make it an option of how much help you want the aspects to give you. For example you talk to them and it says: How much power do you want us to help you toward defeating the destroyer of worlds?
5%
10%
15%
20%
25%
30%
You can choose which one you like.

I'm glad they're doing this. It's next to impossible to get into these end-game dungeons and raids unless you're a 24/7 hardcore player with specific dps and class specs. I'm sorry if I have a job and all, but I like being able to buy food when I'm hungry. Now it's a little easier for me to eat and get to see all these end game instances.

I think its funny that everyone seems to forget that they gave players a 30% buff in ICC. Yet complain that DS is nerfed 30% now. Really what does it matter anyway. The dates on achieves can let everyone know when you killed DW.

There are many lvls of players and no one should be excluded. Its a game, lets play and have fun.

Dear people crying that we dont need the nerf, i dislike you. Why? Well first i can understand where your coming from, but the majority of the wow community cannnot get past certain bosses. For instance my group downed Warmaster for the first time last week on heroic with 25% debuff. This week we are working on Spine and its hard as hell and i welcome the debuff. The only people that should complain are the ones who already beat heroic Madness, everyone else can shutup.

It's because all the kids complain that it's "too hard"

You can still take it off it says, so u can choose to do it like old times. Not like its bad either. If anything you'll gear faster and learn fights better.

So its like putting an easy mode on heroic, for the fifth time. I see the great logic in this.

I just like LFR cause I don't have to listen to 45 minutes of people figuring out what they're going to do and people giving up in the middle. I don't like difficulty changes though.

You can turn the nerf off...

The funny thing I hear from all of the community here is that the problem was that people didn't get to experience content and raids like in vanilla. That is a decent point I suppose. However, my counter argument to this statement comes in 2 simple reason. 1) When i decided to log onto my hunter a month ago and kill the last boss of the game in LFR. It took around 30m to do... now how is that supposed to be "epic"? I mean, I didn't feel accomplished in any way.. or feel that i was seeing or doing anything special. Nerfing the game may allow more people to see the content, but it severely devalues it as well. Secondly: I know the players have the option to go back and do T12 and T13 raids.. because they are accelerated in gear soo quickly upon reaching cap level. but It seems that with every new raid and season, everyone prior to that patch is nearly forsaken, which in turn devalues the content that blizzard has worked on to create.. i mean i can go kill Ragnaros and chog'all etc. but it really doesnt do anything or serve any purpose in the game aside from Xmog once the new patch is out.. completely useless. I remember in vanilla getting weapons or trinkets from MC or BWL that would last me until cthun or naxx. Again, gear is useless and replaced easily once the new patch comes out.. Blizzard you are severely hurting yourself thru this to be completely honest with you... the content you made could be spanned out so much longer if you made things require progression and maybe getting a little involved into the game and becoming a smarter more challenged player. The game Would be so much more enjoyable in my opinion (which im sure is shared with many others) and the achievements would actually mean something.. i mean.. "killed by deathwing"? thats an achievement? come on blizzard. I know you are better than this.

has this taken place???

why are some people hating the nerf not everyone has a talent to sit infront of a computer screen for hours on end to kill deathwing and even for u hardcore raiders u should welcome the nerf considering that u can sell hds clears. make that gold boy!

The main argument with nerfing content is so that everyone can see it. But the thing is, everyone CAN see the content now, thanks to LFR. If you put even a minimal amount of effort into getting to 85 and getting slightly geared, you can join up and do an entire LFR, and BAM, you've seen all of Dragon Soul, and all of the current content. Sweet, so that problem that people whined about since Vanilla has been fixed, so why are you nerfing stuff if the original problem has been fixed Blizzard? Don't fix what isn't broken.

yey

Nobody would care about the nerf if Bliz would one thing, create a unique title for those who did the heroic level un-nerfed. Why care if someone else gets a piece of gear, big deal, it doesn't make them better than you. Your not in competition with them. The big problem is that the hardcore people have no distinction for their hard work. They deserve some special reward for that work and that is what the nerf takes away from them.