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like they said, if you dont want it you can turn it off. since the casual raider makes up probably over 75% of the players, i believe that it is important for blizz to make it accessable for all players, eventhough the ppl who are doing it now now never had to do the serious grind to get past all of the bosses

Can we stop with the nerfing please yes it's nice for that lil extra when wiping at 1% but isn't that what LFR is for now, to get everones feet wet in a raid so they can have something for the non-serious raiders

It's also worth mentioning, in response to the comment about the low-population servers, that Dragon Soul is now avaiable to cross-realm parties.

to add elitists do not outnumber non-elitists so to all those elitists stop your QQ and continue to pewpew if your butthurt over people who struggle just remember thier is far more who have troubles downing heroics than the few who can.I have room to talk ive downed most of heroic back in march and have a few probs with spine and madness mainly because im in a lowpop server and cannot afford to escape it so i have to deal with it meaning its is almost impossible to kick someone for being a noshow or even pugging good players so I say again stop the whining you QQ babies and grab your sack and wait for mists you already know mists will not be nerfed for at least a year so get your beta an play and !@#$

I personally don't care either way however here is a thought for Blizz and this will make the hardcore happy give a special loot bag and title for those who kill the heroics without the buff . doing this will reduce the !@#$%ing done by those who are or at least think they are elitists

It's not much of a change, and years from now people will get used to this and think its good then it will be nerfed again ect..

I don't think the problem for the people !@#$%ing is the nerfing of the raid and being able to turn it off. Their problem is the fact that so many people will have the titles and loot they have. They no longer feel special or that there is only a small group that says they beat a raid and they are part of that said group. This basically comes down to them wanting to be a special rare few and Blizz instead is letting everyone feel like they did something cool. So for you big bad raiders who hate seeing these nerfs, this is for you. We know you are cool, we know you did the raids early on before any nerf was in place. When we saw you striding through town in your loot, we were jealous. You guys are special, we know you are special and you will always be special.

Lifes a !@#$% for the big baddies when new expansions come out QQ poor deathwing

I feel pity for Deathwing... I bet this wasn't in his contract.

Lets make it easy so everyone can be good! I prefer BC...

if you people complaining were ever really good you would be happy 8/8h is easier to farm now. not mad the last 2 weeks of cata you are finally getting this ach. the buff increase isnt something new. stop acting like you had it all along.

ok so i finally got my heroic Maddness kill last week...only to learn that the reason why we killed it was another F*&KING NERF!!!totally ruined the moment...i'd rather struggle at full strength then to be given an advantage....or atleast if you are going to nerf the boss..make it intuitive to keep players guessing!

Thanks for dragging the same raid instance on for 10+ months and helping people burn out on raiding.

Yeah and by nerfing it, you broke a few mechanics, catering to casuals again, will Blizz ever learn?

Ok for one, didn't they add a way to get rid of the buffs if you dont want it? STOP !@#$%ING. Nerfs are for the people who havent been able to get into it and dont want to be left behind in the new xpac. Hardcore people can get rid of the debuff, and people who want it won't be too far behind when MoP comes out.

I'm not sure people realize that this is one of the most boring raids of all time and the expansion is ALMOST OVER. In literally less than 20 days this raid will only be done by the occasional achievement run for the mount. This nerf might help the people who haven't had a chance to raid it yet and just want to experience is while they still can. Do you guys REALLY care about a nerf to a raid that's practically useless ALREADY?

Really blizz why are you nerfing this. Deathwing is suppose to be the bringer of ends and oh now anyone can kill this legendary beast sooo kewl now I can actually raid him and kill him! this game is loosing the word legendary by making it so about anyone can do it. I can only tank LFR but still I'm not good enough to kill end boss (until now), those people who can are people who should have worked long and hard to get the gear they have and knowledge to be the "legendary group" to kill it. I just feel like nothing in this game is legendary anymore, stuff like the "The Undying"

Nerfs are fine. The competitive raiders still know they're the best. Wowprogress still shows when the great guilds completed the content. Achievements are date-based. And with the nerfs "most" others get to experience the entire game. So what? Even with a 35% nerf there are still millions of people who will not see Heroic Deathwing. Including, I'm sure, lots of the people complaining about nerfs on this thread. And it's not as if Blizz is just sitting there adding in nerfs whenever they want. They are watching the progress of their gamers and implementing nerfs when the majority hit a wall. It's a great practice and it keeps a lot more people engaged in the game. /endwalloftext.

Why do people cry so much over nerfs. I am in a very casual guild of good players we raid 1 night a week for 2-3 hours and that's it. Prior to the nerf we had been clearing DS every week but only 1/8 hm we are now 6/8 hm and going for spine tuesday still dont understand why cry tho its a game not life!

i love seing ppl complain about nerfs but does it really matter? just take the nerf off and !@#$

QQ more. Yes I'm posting behind a alt. You mad bro.?
Ranked guilds/players ain't complaining and they are actually happy with this and with all the previous nerf since Feb.~April since instead of taking 2hours to clear a full H FL/H DS 'sale' run, they'll be done under maybe less than an hour, and they can maybe ( I'm 99% sure ) carried more buyers to make more golds/funds for the upcoming expansion.
Also, not everyone are 'Hardcore players'. Keep this in YOUR MIND. ( Some people call them noob, I call them casual player ) Also, for all those people who are complaining about : ' I have worked very hard to get this title, these heroic kill etc.etc. and I just can't stand others players who are 'bad' and get those achievements easily with the nerf etc. ' you know you did good and got it pre-nerf vs someone who got it at 20%~35% nerf. You ranked when it was current content, not them. Why do you care?
You are here to raid. Ok. Well you know what? Those casual players WANT to raid too. But they are not in the SAME level as you. No one asked you to keep running H DS. You can stop since you have been farming it for weeks and you don't need any gears from this place anymore ( Except rings and trinkets, freaking low drop. ) then do something else. I'm pretty sure about 70ish% of you guys who have The SoA Title on farm don't have Firelord/Dragonslayer/Bane/4 Wing. ( Remember, 1-3 kill doesn't count ) Even now, with full BiS DS gear or ilv400+, you guys can't still do the old Heroic content. Does the nerf matter that much? No. Top ranked guild/player DGAF.
Those who are complaining and calling others a 'Noob (who got their title from 35%) ' are themself a 'Noob (who got their title from 20%~35%)' also, in the eyes of those top ranked players. And if I were those players ( Jerk/Real bad players/Troll - We always have one of those famous bad player(s) in our relam ) who got their heroic madness kill at 35% and they show it off in the trade chat, I would be ashamed.

Congealing Bloods on Heroic Madness are having issues being slowed. Blizz please fix

what wow dont understand, not all people are raiders. so wow please keep the noobs out, im here too raid, we got noobs an kids in are guild but we dont let them raid, because they cant get there head around the fight. i got a idea wow make a real easy for what i spent months on. i speaking too the raiders out there u taking the fun out it. i want too kick someone that came up with this idea. sad too see ilvl 353 in ds now because they have pvp gear in there bags. why dont you fix that wow. pve an pvp are two different ways too play the game, STOP making where there the same.

I'd like to add furthermore that I think once each expansion is over, titles should be removed (much like Champion of the Naaru and Hand in BC). It just strikes me as kind of lame that a level 85 can run through ICC and gain a title that so many worked for months to achieve.

I guess Blizz has to do whatever seems to be best. There will always be people who complain no matter what so... Keep up the good work and stuff.

In my opinion, nerfing it is a great idea for those who were having difficulty! It enables more of the player base to see end-game content that they otherwise couldn't. I also like that players don't HAVE to play the nerfed version.

I do agree with the idea of having a title or rewards specific to pre-nerf. It makes those that truly worked for it, come out the other end a little more unique than the rest. It seems unreasonable that people down it with a massive nerf and get the same rewards as those guilds who pushed progression for months.