Mongoose V Beserking

85 Night Elf Rogue
8185
For the sake of thoroughness...

Berserking: 400 attack power.
400(1) = 400.

Mongoose: 120 agility, 30 haste.
120(2.8) + 30(2.2) = 402.

Yes it's 30 haste, it was stealth-nerfed sometime around 3.3.0/3.3.3 to make it less useful in WotLK (EJ has taken this into account). They have equal up-time so there's no need to weight anything further; I could have sworn I read somewhere on EJ that mongoose was potentially undervalued, but I couldn't find the post anywhere so I could be wrong.

I prefer mongoose since it helps energy regeneration as well as damage; just more utility, not a huge deal if you're laying back until 12/7. Also note that berserking can pull ahead again according to the EP values if you're crit capped, since you'd be forced to stack more hit to compensate for it, giving you an opportunity cost in lost haste/mastery:

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=27495543126&sid=1&pageNo=1#15
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=27495543126&sid=1&pageNo=2#22

PS: Also note that the 120 agility from mongoose ≠ 240 attack power; after counting leather specialization and assuming the presence of kings (which stack multiplicatively with one another), you get 120(1.1025) = 132.3 agility = 264.6 attack power. For the record (this is accounted for by the EP values on EJ, which also account for the crit from agility not benefiting poisons).

http://elitistjerks.com/f78/t105659-4_0_1_rogue_faq/p21/#post1789298
http://elitistjerks.com/f78/t105659-4_0_1_rogue_faq/p22/#post1790367
hows BM for EITHER MH or OH look, since most of my dps does come spell damage. i am mute spec
Almost, but no cigar. 250(2.2) = 550 looks beastly, but it has significantly less up-time than berserking/mongoose, so it fell behind quickly after it was properly modeled/tested. Don't use it.
Edited by Verelyse on 11/12/2010 3:55 PM PST
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90 Draenei Shaman
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Cause everybody knows those EP values are fact and are totally determined to be accurate right now.
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100 Goblin Rogue
11140
Cause everybody knows those EP values are fact and are totally determined to be accurate right now.


I don't see you doing any research on the matter.
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80 Undead Rogue
4950
I don't know the maths but apparently:

Mongoose (804 AEP) > Berserking (800 AEP)

So therefore, its only marginally better. I say not worth swapping enchants if you already have berseking on. i.e. no point spending 500+ gold for a whooping *sarcasm* 4 AEP.
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85 Undead Rogue
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Don't forget;

Buffs that effect Berserkering, 10% attack power.

Buffs that effect Mongoose, 5% total stats.

Shouldn't these be taken into account as well since it's pretty easy to get all buffs covered these days or is it still back to assume anything?
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85 Night Elf Rogue
8185
Don't forget;

Buffs that effect Berserkering, 10% attack power.

Buffs that effect Mongoose, 5% total stats.

Shouldn't these be taken into account as well since it's pretty easy to get all buffs covered these days or is it still back to assume anything?
They were, thoroughly, much to my chagrin. :)

http://elitistjerks.com/f78/t105659-4_0_1_rogue_faq/p21/#post1789298

^ And the following 4-5 posts.
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80 Orc Rogue
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Just want a quick answer on which is better now since I see many rogues now using mongoose. Thanks for any answers.


Hasn't this debate been hashed out 9000 times in the past month?

L2forum
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80 Gnome Warlock
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Just want a quick answer on which is better now since I see many rogues now using mongoose. Thanks for any answers.


Hasn't this debate been hashed out 9000 times in the past month?

L2forum


this thread had died until you necroed
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85 Goblin Rogue
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I find this funny because min/maxing is not based on opinions but testing theory to produce cold, hard facts. The people at EJ don't spend all that time testing theory to find facts, only to have opinions formed about those facts.


wut?
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85 Night Elf Rogue
8185
I find this funny because min/maxing is not based on opinions but testing theory to produce cold, hard facts. The people at EJ don't spend all that time testing theory to find facts, only to have opinions formed about those facts.
That, boys and girls, is what we call brain damage.
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