How to fill heal role as Disc Priest?

100 Blood Elf Paladin
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Just got my priest to 90 2 weeks ago. I personally can get the 'grip' or 'ah so this class is all about this X and Y' but I never ever touch disc priest since early WotLK, holy is always my preferred spec if I want to play one, but I always kinda curious about this spec. Disc is the spec that require not only the class but the entire encounter.

Now this question coming from me that already jumping around from resto shaman, resto druid and holy paladin from Cata into MoP. Since most of them is basically just reactive healing, like you press X then Y get empowered, nothing new on most of them. How about Disc priest?

1. I was thinking about the very perfect example like you will always get rapture on more than 1 PW:S but this is very hard to time, sometimes it will just explode at 1st target and the rest of them might not proccing the rapture. Are you guys still playing with this mindset?

2. The other question is Divine aegis vs Spirit shell vs PW:S, which one that will be taken out first on incoming damage?

3. I look closely on Disc log on most fight especially heroic, I keep looking divine aegis but I cant figure out where this Divine aegis coming from. Is this divine aegis mostly coming from attonement?of is this the real output from crit healing? example log : http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-xzd86cnqaj7uxv2q/details/8/?s=8041&e=8070

4. The last tier is the gap to fill AoE healing. What happen if you those skill is on CD?do you hard casting PoH or shielding them with PW:S?example case : Norushen mid fight when !@#$ really happen. Also I feel like Disc CD is not really strong, maybe just me..

Sorry if the question seems to detail but I dont want to play a class without knowing how to exploit them to full potential. Thanks:)
Edited by Tiraamisu on 11/27/2013 4:56 AM PST
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100 Dwarf Shaman
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http://www.icy-veins.com/discipline-priest-wow-pve-healing-guide

http://howtopriest.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=4484
Edited by Taughror on 11/27/2013 5:23 AM PST
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100 Blood Elf Paladin
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Thank you, never know that site was exist since the first day of my time playing WoW, maybe should have read that before WoW exists
Edited by Tiraamisu on 11/27/2013 5:44 AM PST
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90 Night Elf Priest
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1. I was thinking about the very perfect example like you will always get rapture on more than 1 PW:S but this is very hard to time, sometimes it will just explode at 1st target and the rest of them might not proccing the rapture. Are you guys still playing with this mindset?


Maybe I'm not reading this right, but you only have a chance to gain rapture from 1 PW: S each 12 seconds. I generally target the tank as my priority "rapture workhorse." Generally tanks are taking enough damage that I know it'll work out in my favor. Alternatively, I target people with bleeds or DoTs (Skullcracker on Heroic Naz, Garrote on Protectors etc).

If you always aim to PW: S only on targets that will have low overheal, you're going to have a bit better luck with Rapture. Don't just put the PW: S on someone and hope for the best. Be proactive.

Make a WA or download a rapture tracker if you're having problems timing it.

2. The other question is Divine aegis vs Spirit shell vs PW:S, which one that will be taken out first on incoming damage?


DA is a bonus side affect of being Disc and being Awesome. I don't track it and I just let it act passively. I make good use of my level 90 talents to try and pre-emptively use DA on occasion (Swelling Pride on heroic Sha, AA + DS when stacked, etc). Generally I always pair a level 90 talent with Archangel (AA) when I can to maximize the protential DA gain. That being said, for timed incoming damage, I rely on Spirit Shell first assuming more than 3 people are in range of PoH (remember PoH + SS is only 30 yard range. So you can be casting PoH but the person greater than 30 yards out is NOT getting SS).

Now, which one is eaten first?

I might be wrong but I was always under the assumption:

The smallest absorb will be used first, regardless of where it came from or spell duration.

That being said, I've heard

DA > SS> PW: S

So, I'm not entirely sure. It really doesn't make a HUGE difference, honestly.

3. I look closely on Disc log on most fight especially heroic, I keep looking divine aegis but I cant figure out where this Divine aegis coming from. Is this divine aegis mostly coming from attonement?of is this the real output from crit healing? example log : http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-xzd86cnqaj7uxv2q/details/8/?s=8041&e=8070


That's an odd log, only 28s and seems glitched for some reason. Here are some of my logs:

(I'm Naér)

http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-dcodf2v14rs0v7k5/dashboard/?s=5921&e=6384

Perhaps the most dramatic example of Level 90 Talent DA genreation:

http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-elap035tjwce4i3g/sum/healingDone/?s=4181&e=4477

Generally there are 2 types of DA going out:

1) Smart Heal DA from Atonement crits (generally fairly small, >100k, targets are fairly uncontrollable)

2) Level 90 Talent crit DA (Large DA, easily hitting absorb cap in my gear from AA + Halo)
These absorbs are critical to our healing. Aim to have AA up and pair it with a well chosen talent for a high amount of DA at end game gear (I have 14k crit).

On Heroic Iron Juggernaut, when I use Halo, nearly EVERYONE gets a DA. On Thok, as you can see, I can suppress all my other healers with DA + DS alone (with some Inner Focus used to apply SS with immunity from interrupts).

4. The last tier is the gap to fill AoE healing. What happen if you those skill is on CD?do you hard casting PoH or shielding them with PW:S?example case : Norushen mid fight when !@#$ really happen. Also I feel like Disc CD is not really strong, maybe just me..


If you're really spread: Halo
If you're stacked: DS
If you're inbetween: CRAP SHOOT. Cascade is okay sometimes, but honestly this is the weaker of the 3 potential situations. Spoils of pandaria is a good example. I take DS for damage at that point.

AoE this tier is pretty wild, but I never hard case PoH without SS.

Because in most situations that raidwide damage is going out, you are also stacked in some variety, it's very forgiving.

Heroic Norushen Log:
http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-dcodf2v14rs0v7k5/details/15/?s=274&e=648

1) DA
2) DS
3) Spirit Shell (only wearing 2pc)
4) PW: S (lol 0% overheal)

I was only using PoH to apply SS (as you can see by the overhealing!) combined with Inner Focus when available.

My AA uptime was only 48% (I was being lazy, it's completely possible to see uptimes of 70% on this fight by gaming procs off adds).

PW: Barrier is one of the most powerful healing CD's in the game, given that you're stacking. See here:

http://healiocentric.wordpress.com/2013/10/26/5-4-raid-cooldowns-overview/

Additionally, check out this guide written by Derevka:

http://howtopriest.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=1837

Cheers!
Edited by Naérwen on 11/27/2013 6:00 AM PST
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90 Night Elf Priest
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Thank you, never know that site was exist since the first day of my time playing WoW, maybe should have read that before WoW exists


Icy Veins and Noxxic are not the best for priests at this time. Because Howtopriest generally receives the most review and attention to detail, they are generally considered the best priest resources. Plus it's a community of priests so guides are constantly updated per patch etc.

Lastly, you can play with this tool here:

http://www.healadinne.com/HealCalc/

To get an idea of how stats affect your priest, etc. It's an excellent tool and far superior to most things available.
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100 Blood Elf Paladin
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11/27/2013 05:51 AMPosted by Naérwen
Thank you, never know that site was exist since the first day of my time playing WoW, maybe should have read that before WoW exists


Icy Veins and Noxxic are not the best for priests at this time. Because Howtopriest generally receives the most review and attention to detail, they are generally considered the best priest resources. Plus it's a community of priests so guides are constantly updated per patch etc.

Lastly, you can play with this tool here:

http://www.healadinne.com/HealCalc/

To get an idea of how stats affect your priest, etc. It's an excellent tool and far superior to most things available.


JK, I know those site since they were still a small community and tons of guide out there, but I hate reading guide, most of them cover basicly the same thing, that's why I bring specific question that guide rarely cover.

So maybe a little bit more clarifying about the rapture, lets say there will be 300k damage raid wide, you shield 5 people with PW:S, assuming no shield crit, does rapture trigger only one of them or we get back the mana cost of 5 PW:S?
Edited by Tiraamisu on 11/27/2013 2:50 PM PST
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90 Draenei Priest
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Rapture will only trigger off of one PW:S per cooldown
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100 Blood Elf Paladin
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okay that explains everything since the last time I saw disc priest on LK and exploit that infest..thanks
Edited by Tiraamisu on 11/27/2013 2:51 PM PST
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90 Draenei Priest
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Yep, they got rid of that in the cata patch.

I would recommend looking through all of the disc passive abilities when you have a chance. A lot of things have changed since then.
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