Refunded Talents Come 4.03a

90 Night Elf Priest
6710


Good morning everyone!

I saw on another threat that priests are getting their talent points refunded, and I was just wondering if anyone knows if shadow is getting hit by buffs/nerfs? I saw that holy was getting some buffs in terms of baseline healing power for some spells, but I haven't been able to find anything substantial about shadow.



Thanks guys,

Ostie
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85 Gnome Priest
7595
Theyre changing a few things with shadow orbs and mastery. Other thanthat not really. They need to fix more for cata IMO.
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90 Night Elf Priest
6710
Theyre changing a few things with shadow orbs and mastery. Other thanthat not really. They need to fix more for cata IMO.



Ahh ok I see. I'm happy they're fixing mastery, it really is kind of a broken talent for priests. I just hope shadow in Cata endgame is viable.
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85 Gnome Priest
7595
Err wait, nevermind, doesn't seemed to be released yet, maybe till cataclysm... :(
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85 Human Priest
8425
They are refunding all healing classes their talents.

I found this curious as well, as they have historically been very stingy regarding talent refunds. Boosting baseline cast heals by 20% is not going to merit a full talent reset by any stretch, so I'm curious as to what's going on. I hear no news from the PTR.
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5 Undead Priest
0
/agree Valetudo. I haven't seen anything coming down the pipe that would warrant a refund, and greater changes have been implemented before without one. Interesting...
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84 Undead Priest
3045
Look at the priest talent trees on Wowhead. Does something look different to you?

Hint: It's in the Holy tree.
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80 Draenei Mage
1320
Yeah I guess removing a talent completely and adding a brand new one and swapping tiers on a couple would warrant a refund. Hadn't seen that change before.
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85 Dwarf Priest
6725
I'm guessing these are just implementing changes from the beta, but we can always hope for more. Perhaps Blizzard has internal builds that we don't know about that they will release with this patch.
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85 Goblin Priest
12430
the reason for the talent refunds is due to a re-design of the holy tree (has been on beta for quite some time, never made it to live yet though), not due to random buffs/nerfs.

as far as actual changes for shadow in that patch go:
- complete mastery overhaul (no more solid dmg increase on blast/spike with orbs, buff to dot damage after using an orb and a very mediocre increase to blast/spike instead)
- ve nerfed even harder (6%/3%)

i think that was about it...not sure, i've done my best to avoid still playing my priest on beta since they all but removed VE.
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90 Blood Elf Priest
14040
If the beta changes to shadow are implemented then the current:
Shadow Orbs
You have a 10% chance for your Shadow Word: Pain and Mind Flay spells to grant you a Shadow Orb each time they deal damage. Each Shadow Orb increases the damage done by your Mind Blast and Mind Spike spells by 34%. Each point of Mastery increases damage by an additional 4.3%. You can have up to a maximum of 3 orbs.

will become:
Shadow Orbs
You have a 10% chance for your Shadow Word: Pain and Mind Flay spells to grant you a Shadow Orb each time they deal damage. Casting your Mind Blast or Mind Spike spell consumes all Shadow Orbs, increasing damage of that spell by 0% per Shadow Orb, and granting 0% increased damage on your periodic Shadow spells for 15 sec. You can have up to a maximum of 3 orbs.

and:
Mastery: Shadow Orb Power
Increases the damage done by your Shadow Orbs. Each point of Mastery increases damage by an additional 1.3%.

so yeah, shadow's mastery fix'd.
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85 Goblin Priest
12430
fixed is a rather loaded term in that case.

given, its significantly better than the old one in a pve environment - but its so ridiculously clunky and rng-dependent that you can very well still end up with mastery not being worth even a 5th of crit/haste in a given encounter simply because you don't get any orb procs. (my personal record for "unlucky rng streak while turreting a boss" in beta atm is at well over 2 minutes...)

and yet, it could be so easily fixed...either by simply making the dot bonus a passive effect (removing the rng for that part entirely) or by merging harnessed shadows with masochism, resulting in sw:d backlash giving you a shadow orb, in turn guaranteeing that if you do get unlucky on the rng-proc, you can still force an orb via sw:d, in order to get the dot bonus up again in time when you have to refresh your dots.
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90 Draenei Priest
14660
So now shadow priests are once again going to lose dps? Im never the highest on damage or dps but shadow is still outgunned by all the other spellcasters in the same/similar gear tier. For example my Shammy is slightly less geared then my priest but does about 1-3k more dps. mages can pull ridiculous amounts of dps and damage over shadow most of the time.

So with this "fix coming along are we going to see us doing less once again.
and Schnorki VE is already 6%/3% on the armory page but if it gets lowred any more it becomes a useless tallent imo.
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85 Goblin Priest
9220
I just dont understand how people are not getting orb procs. I proc like crazy. I typically cast MB off every CD due to the stack of orbs i have (2+).
Edited by Kiry on 11/22/2010 1:43 PM PST
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90 Undead Priest
12485
I just dont understand how people are not getting orb procs. I proc like crazy. I typically cast MB off every CD due to the stack of orbs i have (2+).


based on current healing at L80, or the new end game L85 situations?
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85 Undead Priest
13895
I just dont understand how people are not getting orb procs. I proc like crazy. I typically cast MB off every CD due to the stack of orbs i have (2+).


based on current healing at L80, or the new end game L85 situations?


What?
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90 Blood Elf Priest
5695
I don't understand. Why are the refunding all talent points, if only mastery is changing?
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85 Night Elf Priest
4840
So they are buffing holy and nerfing shadow?
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85 Draenei Priest
11670
So they are buffing holy and nerfing shadow?


They're buffing holy, they're sorta buffing shadow (mastery is much better, VE is getting nerfed).
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