Holy Holy Holy

85 Night Elf Death Knight
1750
Hey ho, I wanted to get back into pallys with Cataclysm, and was just wondering if Holy spec would be anything like the old Shockadin spec for leveling / dps? Or is it just a waste of time now?

I'm not overly thrilled to go to a Ret spec or something like that.

Tks.
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10 Gnome Rogue
50
short answer: yes, shockadin spec is viable for leveling, and even decent for PvP
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85 Night Elf Death Knight
1750
Even shorter answer: thanks ;)
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89 Draenei Paladin
8460
A more realistic answer; though Holy is "viable" you will probably be better off having Retribution or Protection for leveling and saving Holy for when you want to healbot.
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85 Blood Elf Paladin
5495
I'm probably going to try leveling as holy but I do have ret gear in the bank if its not working so well for me. I'm fairly patient and I think so long as glyphed/talented exorcism doesnt eat up too much mana I should be fine. I'll be building a custom holy leveling spec though taking all the +damage talents. I never played the old "shockadin" so I dont know how it compares to that but most mobs die in a judge->holy wrath->hs->1-2 exos in my current gear..I dont know how much tougher the new mobs will be.
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89 Draenei Paladin
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Shockadins are pretty good for soloing (they're far more versatile and survivable than Ret) and are bloody insane in PvP.

Ret, on the other hand...

Okay, it might be good for soloing, maybe, but in PvP it's the same old, same old that it was in WotLK, just with different mechanics.

Shockadins have no need to be afraid of kiters. Unlike Rets. :P
Shockadins won't be all that after the patch with the nerfs to healing. Protector of Innocent will no longer heal you if you use a heal on yourself, Holy Shock is losing healing potential for more damage, and Guarded by the Light is getting a very massive nerf. Just to name a few.
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89 Draenei Paladin
8460
Shockadins won't be all that after the patch with the nerfs to healing. Protector of Innocent will no longer heal you if you use a heal on yourself,

This will suck a bit, but nothing we can't recover from.

Holy Shock is losing healing potential for more damage,

You kidding me? That's good! :P

and Guarded by the Light is getting a very massive nerf. Just to name a few.


Guarded by the Light is a Prot talent.

Did you mean Speed of Light?

Yeah, sadly, it is getting nerfed pretty badly.
I was pointing out the basics. The thing that made Holy beastly in PvP was it's self healing factor. That's getting cut in half practically come the Shattering.
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85 Draenei Paladin
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A more realistic answer; though Holy is "viable" you will probably be better off having Retribution or Protection for leveling and saving Holy for when you want to healbot.


Hmm, I'm finding on beta, in Deepholm that Holy with dps talents is very nice. The mobs hit super hard and you are nearly invincible. It takes a bit longer to kill stuff, but you save time not doing corpse runs if you pull too much. I was pretty squishy as ret. Don't know on prot.
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