Frost or Unholy?

85 Human Death Knight
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What is the best talent tree for dps? Frost or Unholy?
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85 Blood Elf Death Knight
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I have better luck with frost. I have seen equally geared DKs rip it up in Unholy though.
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80 Blood Elf Death Knight
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It's all up to what you like best. Ive tried both and i personally like unholy better. I tend to pull more dps as unholy.
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85 Orc Death Knight
6750
/facepalm at "This spec makes me feel better responses..."

Unholy is superior. End of story.
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80 Undead Death Knight
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lol@thisguy ^
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85 Tauren Death Knight
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What I've gathered so far is that with a good rotation and a decent dk you can pull almost equal numbers. I personally think that unholy has a better aoe run. I think unholy eeks ahead of frost but I may be wrong. I am still getting used to unholy as I was blood dps for quite sometime.
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85 Tauren Death Knight
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Also I was wondering, as I havent had a chance to read the EJ forums, whether or not Frost 2hander was greater than dual wield in so far as total dps or even ramp up time. Not sure how else to phrase it.
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85 Orc Death Knight
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i'd say that unholy is better just for the aggro problem, as unholy u dont even care about aggro, but as frost you realy need to pay atention or that boss is gonna hit you...

so, i use frost for pvp/heroics and unholy for raiding
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85 Tauren Death Knight
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In unholy presence for the rune regen? That's what I've been doing but my dmg meter has been broken. My omen does confirm that threat isn't a problem so far. But the gear on this guy still isn't top end so I'm not sure how it's been scaling.
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85 Orc Death Knight
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In unholy presence for the rune regen? That's what I've been doing but my dmg meter has been broken. My omen does confirm that threat isn't a problem so far. But the gear on this guy still isn't top end so I'm not sure how it's been scaling.


Unholy -> Unholy presence
2H Frost -> Unholy on single targets / Frost on trash
2W Frost -> Frost presence
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85 Orc Death Knight
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Currently Unholy is putting out the best numbers, over longer fights they will even out though.

In unholy presence for the rune regen? That's what I've been doing but my dmg meter has been broken. My omen does confirm that threat isn't a problem so far. But the gear on this guy still isn't top end so I'm not sure how it's been scaling.


Sorry, but why do you answer the question if you don't know the answer. Unholy's aoe is decent, but Frost's is basically the best aoe in the game currently.
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85 Orc Death Knight
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/facepalm at the "Unholy is superior. End of story." response.

Play whichever spec you have more fun with. They're really balanced atm and anybody who says 1 spec is vastly superior to the other either knows nothing about that spec or hasn't met a player who plays that spec well. Maybe at 85 there will be a clear best spec, but for the 2 weeks that we're still 80 just have fun.

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85 Orc Death Knight
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/facepalm at the "Unholy is superior. End of story." response.

Play whichever spec you have more fun with. They're really balanced atm and anybody who says 1 spec is vastly superior to the other either knows nothing about that spec or hasn't met a player who plays that spec well. Maybe at 85 there will be a clear best spec, but for the 2 weeks that we're still 80 just have fun.


On stand-and-deliver, short fight length Unholy dominates. Sure, on H LK Frost has a huge advantage with using HB on Ghouls and spirits.

http://www.worldoflogs.com/rankings/players/Icecrown_Citadel/Deathbringer_Saurfang/25H/Unholy_Death_Knight/
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85 Orc Death Knight
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http://www.worldoflogs.com/rankings/players/Icecrown_Citadel/Deathbringer_Saurfang/25H/Unholy_Death_Knight/


Fair enough. I'd still say play whatever you like more until the xpac and then worry about what's best at 85
Edited by Vurge on 11/20/2010 11:14 AM PST
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85 Tauren Death Knight
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Currently Unholy is putting out the best numbers, over longer fights they will even out though.

In unholy presence for the rune regen? That's what I've been doing but my dmg meter has been broken. My omen does confirm that threat isn't a problem so far. But the gear on this guy still isn't top end so I'm not sure how it's been scaling.


Sorry, but why do you answer the question if you don't know the answer. Unholy's aoe is decent, but Frost's is basically the best aoe in the game currently.


Not sure why I did that. Unintentional I suppose. Just giving more of what I've seen, not necessarily what I know to be true. Im glad you clarified the matter for me though. Been out of the loop on what's what lately.
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85 Orc Death Knight
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Unholy had higher numbers pre 4.0. Frost currently does higher (but not by much on long fights) but at the same time Unholy still requires a lot of tweaking on Blizz's part. I'd go as far to say that Unholy is semi broken at current.

Frost is burst damage where Unholy is consistent. Unholy brings a little more utility to raids.

I expect a buff to Unholy after Cat is out.
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85 Human Death Knight
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Oki, i think i am going to work with unholy for now.
Thanks everyone.
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85 Orc Death Knight
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Unholy had higher numbers pre 4.0. Frost currently does higher (but not by much on long fights) but at the same time Unholy still requires a lot of tweaking on Blizz's part. I'd go as far to say that Unholy is semi broken at current.

Frost is burst damage where Unholy is consistent. Unholy brings a little more utility to raids.

I expect a buff to Unholy after Cat is out.


Not from a pve standpoint, really the reason Unholy is pulling such high numbers is because of the burst it is able to create. Over short fight lengths, with all c/d and bloodlust pop'd, unholy is really able to dish out the high numbers. Once the c/d are over, their dps steadily begins to level off, but ICC fights have been ending way before they get to this point.

Frost on the other hand is the definition of steady, 1 min c/d, pretty consistent dps for the fight length. We say DW Frost has a lot of burst from a pvp standpoint, because their rune strikes hit significantly harder.
Edited by Griefpb on 11/20/2010 12:04 PM PST
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90 Worgen Death Knight
TFO
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Currently at level 80 Unholy is the highest dps spec.

At level 85 in full raid gear Unholy and Dual wield frost are equal and the choice will largely be based around what buffs you would rather bring to your raid group. (2h frost though viable is still falling slightly behind dual wield in all cases)

At level 85 in HEROIC raid gear dual wield frost will likely pull ahead of unholy and continue to pull further ahead as gear progresses until they change unholy mastery. (Basically frost gets a good benefit from mastery and unholy gets a not so good one so frost ends up scaling far better with gear)
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85 Orc Death Knight
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/facepalm at the "Unholy is superior. End of story." response.

Play whichever spec you have more fun with. They're really balanced atm and anybody who says 1 spec is vastly superior to the other either knows nothing about that spec or hasn't met a player who plays that spec well. Maybe at 85 there will be a clear best spec, but for the 2 weeks that we're still 80 just have fun.


You're an idiot.

http://www.worldoflogs.com/rankings/players/Icecrown_Citadel/Deathbringer_Saurfang/25H/Unholy_Death_Knight/

vs.

http://www.worldoflogs.com/rankings/players/Icecrown_Citadel/Deathbringer_Saurfang/25H/Frost_Death_Knight/
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