Heroic Strike Scaling

66 Night Elf Warrior
950
Does heroic strike scale better than cleave? The reason I ask is where I'm at now there's less than 10% damage difference between the two so I'm having a hard time justifying the use of heroic strike at all. Is this still the case at 80?
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90 Dwarf Warrior
12645
Yes HS scales better. I'm pretty sure it's always done more damage to a single target. Looking at the numbers currently on the talent on wowhead (not sure if it matches current in game) HS is 75% ap and cleave is ~56% ap. I would guess that blizzard would never change it so that cleave did more damage to a single target over HS. It would be contrary to their philosophy. It would make HS a pointless ability which I doubt they'd do.

Also based on talents; War academy affects both; Incite is HS only; Meat Cleaver is Cleave. Assuming Fury spec with your 5 extra points between WA and Incite (doesnt matter which has 3) then the only damage increase is Meat Cleaver. If you stack it thats 30% more damage on Cleave which still only puts Cleave at ~73% of ap but you dont get the bonus crit that Incite provides for HS.

So single target HS wins.
Edited by Orenan on 11/24/2010 9:06 AM PST
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80 Tauren Druid
6095
Heroic Strike benefits from Incite.
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85 Orc Warrior
4860
Cleave @ 2500, 5000, and 10000 AP with 3/3 Meat cleaver = 1835, 3661, 7312
Heroic Strike @ 2500, 5000, and 10000 AP with 0/3 Incite = 1883, 3758, 7508

Even WITHOUT incite, HS is still marginally better on single target. With incite, you get 15% crit, PLUS that double crit. At 30-40% crit you should have, thats a lot.

The other option is to just be bad. I mean, nobody is stopping you.
Edited by Garvouk on 11/24/2010 9:30 AM PST
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66 Night Elf Warrior
950
Cleave @ 2500, 5000, and 10000 AP with 3/3 Meat cleaver = 1835, 3661, 7312
Heroic Strike @ 2500, 5000, and 10000 AP with 0/3 Incite = 1883, 3758, 7508

Even WITHOUT incite, HS is still marginally better on single target. With incite, you get 15% crit, PLUS that double crit. At 30-40% crit you should have, thats a lot.

The other option is to just be bad. I mean, nobody is stopping you.


Sorry, should have qualified this better I was talking about prot so crit numbers will not be that high. So the answer seems to be that heroic strike scales slightly better with AP and has a larger crit chance with incite. So at lower levels the difference between the two is marginal at best and improves with time.

The reason I brought this up is it seemed prior to the most recent patch heroic strike was doing roughly twice the damage cleave was and now (without crit) is only doing marginally more damage.
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90 Dwarf Warrior
12645
Well as prot you dont have Meat Cleaver so the numbers would be

Cleave @ 2500, 5000, and 10000 AP without Meat cleaver = 1405, 2810, 5620
Cleave @ 2500, 5000, and 10000 AP with 3/3 Meat cleaver = 1835, 3661, 7312
Heroic Strike @ 2500, 5000, and 10000 AP with 0/3 Incite = 1883, 3758, 7508


That puts HS damage as prot at ~34% more than cleave damage which is not "marginal".
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