Engineering useless for any but caster dps!

90 Pandaren Rogue
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From a PvE perspective (I'm not even touching the PvP stuff which is obviously huge and can be read about ad nauseum in the profession thread), the amount of damage a melee dps can do using engineering is laughable compared to casters.

In Wrath, we all had the haste trinket on the gloves to use. Now for some reason haste is gone, and Intel is the new tinker in Cata? With haste there was a stat that multiple roles could use. Why was it switched to a very specific stat that only one, perhaps two roles use?

Where is the +STR and +AGI tinkers to glove to make it useful to other roles, or is it the new intention that Engineering becomes a caster dps only profession?

Come on Blizz, you're better than this, at least I want to continue hoping that you are, and that you want to keep things balanced. Although the horde vs alliance racials for pve still continue to make it look otherwise as well, but that's another topic for an other day. Let's at least get this engineering oversight taken care of now before Cata, or early enough in Cata that all end game raiders don't have to drop the profession.
Edited by Logos on 11/26/2010 1:48 PM PST
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85 Undead Rogue
6935
Because the glove enchant is the only thing that makes Engineering good.
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85 Worgen Warlock
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Engineering is probably the best profession for raiding melee dps. Want to guess why?
Edited by Argument on 11/26/2010 1:53 PM PST
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83 Blood Elf Paladin
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Because the glove enchant is the only thing that makes Engineering good.


X-ray goggles would like to have a word with you.
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90 Human Paladin
13665
Rocket Boosts + tanking = win.

Seriously, being able to kite an enraged boss for 5 seconds is just awesome.
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90 Troll Rogue
21045
2 points:
1) Yes rocket boots are great but to pretend that they outweigh the stat bonuses other professions provide is ridiculous. I'd be perfectly willing to accept less of a stat boost then other professions to counter balance for rocket boots (see point 2) but to say that melee dps should get nothing else because of boots is absurd (especially since that standard isn't applied to casters, most of whom get great benefit from boots too).
2) The change to allow rocket boots to malfunction in raids has massively decreased the value of rocket boots. For those mechanics where you would want to use rocket boots to GTFO or you wipe the raid a failure chance on boots is basically an invitation to wipe the the raid.
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85 Undead Rogue
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You do realize that rocket boot malfunction can be countered by using the cloak perk, right?
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90 Troll Rogue
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You do realize that rocket boot malfunction can be countered by using the cloak perk, right?

That doesn't change you dropping a defile or a combustion in the raid.
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I'd say engineering will be an excellent raiding prof in Cata for the utility if nothing else.

Engineer + JC = WIN!
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85 Undead Rogue
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You do realize that rocket boot malfunction can be countered by using the cloak perk, right?

That doesn't change you dropping a defile or a combustion in the raid.


You shouldn't be in that scenario, anyway. You don't need rockets to successfully drop a Defile by the throne.
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62 Dwarf Rogue
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You do realize that rocket boot malfunction can be countered by using the cloak perk, right?


How does the cloak counter a boot malfunction in a raid? You are presumably using the boots to reach a target. Getting there faster is the increase in dps people are talking about. Shooting up in the air and floating to the ground HURTS your dps. In the case of malfunctions you would be far better off just walking to the mob.
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90 Troll Rogue
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You do realize that rocket boot malfunction can be countered by using the cloak perk, right?

That doesn't change you dropping a defile or a combustion in the raid.


You shouldn't be in that scenario, anyway. You don't need rockets to successfully drop a Defile by the throne.

Now you are splitting hairs, the great strength of rocket boots is to move quickly, this is most often used to get out of raid quickly when some mechanic requires it, defile, combustion, consumption. Without that aspect rocket boots while useful are much less useful and nowhere near the show-stopping utility they have now.

Are rocket boots essential for defile placement and management? Nope but they do make good defile placement and management a whole lot easier, that is why you saw wholesale changes of top end guilds to engineering for HLK, rocket boots for rapid spread mechanics are invaluable without that rocket boots are minor utility at best.
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85 Night Elf Rogue
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rocket boots fail a LOT more since the patch, and there is a new failure effect that drains 15% of your health every second for 8 seconds.

are you REALLY going to risk that in a raid environment?
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80 Undead Rogue
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i got it for the cool flying mount... that is all i use it for :)
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90 Goblin Warlock
0
http://www.wowhead.com/search?q=cogwheel says hi.
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90 Dwarf Hunter
14750
http://www.wowhead.com/search?q=cogwheel says hi.


All the cogwheels do is bring the engineering helms in line with the ilevel 359 helms from raiding. I've done the math on the hunter one and if anything the engineering helm comes out very slightly behind the T11 helm. It may be easier to get the helm, but an item that's only an upgrade temporarily can't be relied upon as a profession perk.
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85 Human Warlock
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I need to level professions for this alt, what should I go?I was thinking of Chant/JC just for ease of gearing purposes.


And concerning engineering I heard some things are banned from arena and rated bg's? Is this true?

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