any reason why DS doesnt give 1 HP?

85 Human Paladin
2910
since DS shares a cd with CS, it HAS to give a charge of holy power. it does not make sense other wise. i am aware of the talent in ret that gives it a 40% chance to, but rng is LAME and ret needs less of it. if it will continue not to have a 100% chance to give a charge of HP, buff its damage quite a bit and give it a 5 sec cd and make it not share a cd with CS.
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10 Gnome Rogue
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see: fan of knives
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85 Human Paladin
2910
see: fan of knives

um tell me how it not giving hp when it shares a CD with CS is smart game design.
Hotr and CS in prot both give HP since they share a CD.
DS and CS sharing a CD for ret and one giving HP and one RNG powered?


and pallys are not rogues
Edited by Lolholy on 11/30/2010 4:40 PM PST
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10 Gnome Rogue
50
DS isn't like HotR

it's like fan of knives.

fan of knives uses energy, but is neither a combo point builder of finisher.
DS uses your holy power builder's cooldown but doesn't build holy power.

both DS and fan of knives are only used in large group (5+) AoE situations

HotR is used on small groups as well (2+) This is because tanks need to hold targets off healers.


fyi cat form swipe is the same too.
Edited by Gidgite on 11/30/2010 4:41 PM PST
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85 Human Paladin
2910
DS isn't like HotR

it's like fan of knives.

fan of knives uses energy, but is neither a combo point builder of finisher.
DS uses your holy power builder's cooldown but doesn't build holy power.

both DS and fan of knives are only used in large group (5+) AoE situations

HotR is used on small groups as well (2+) This is because tanks need to hold targets off healers.


fyi cat form swipe is the same too.

um make it do more damage and not share a cd with CS than if its left like this?
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10 Gnome Rogue
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without energy a shared cooldown is needed to prevent an overly full rotation
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85 Human Paladin
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without energy a shared cooldown is needed to prevent an overly full rotation

and it must give HP than. either it has its own CD and does not give HP or it shares a CD and gives HP. sharing a CD with something that gives HP and the other ability does not is bad design
Edited by Lolholy on 11/30/2010 4:51 PM PST
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85 Draenei Paladin
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I'd...

Bump it up to 100% weapon damage.

Mana cost.

Seperate CD from CS.

6s or 8.
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85 Human Paladin
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I'd...

Bump it up to 100% weapon damage.

Mana cost.

Seperate CD from CS.

6s or 8.

give us pre-4.0 DS and id be happy. it was worth the GCD
but something like this needs to happen
Edited by Lolholy on 11/30/2010 4:58 PM PST
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10 Gnome Rogue
50
clearly you fail to understand the point of the redesign. . .
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85 Human Paladin
2910
clearly you fail to understand the point of the redesign. . .

re designed to be useless?
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10 Gnome Rogue
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useless for single target fights.
useless for small group fights (less than 5).

useful only for AoE fights.

as intended.
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81 Blood Elf Paladin
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useless for single target fights.
useless for small group fights (less than 5).

useful only for AoE fights.

as intended.



This
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85 Human Paladin
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useless for single target fights.
useless for small group fights (less than 5).

useful only for AoE fights.

as intended.

still would not use it for aoe pulls. i would rather use CS i get a charge of HP out of it that i can build towards a TV
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10 Gnome Rogue
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still would not use it for aoe pulls. i would rather use CS i get a charge of HP out of it that i can build towards a TV


fail at DPS if you want.
doesn't change anything, it's better DPS for AoE.
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10 Gnome Rogue
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at least it's not ret's 31 pointer. . . like earthquake
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