Templar's Noodle

85 Dwarf Paladin
5385
Sorry for the title, but the idea that pops up in my head when I think of "Templar's Noodle" is just too amusing to pass up.

Anyway, I'm making this post because, well, Templar's Verdict seems to be hitting for way less than it did before 4.0.3. Critting for 7k sounds nice, until you realize this is supposed to be our heavy hitter and something other classes should be afraid of. The biggest problem I have is that my exorcism hits harder than it, even on cloth targets, which means it's not an armor issue, it's a "This thing should be hitting way harder" issue, especially considering that my crusader strike's damage is apparently not that far behind it.

Maybe it gets better at 85, but right now, Templar's Verdict is... Well, if I have a choice between using it and an art of war proc, I'm using the art of war proc. Hell, my shield of the righteous can crit for more than that when I spec prot. Now that is just not normal.
Edited by Stoutfist on 12/2/2010 5:36 AM PST
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I agree with the OP. For the amount of build up time it takes it should hit hard. As it stands I hope for exo procs more than I worry about TV.
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85 Dwarf Paladin
9775
Are you sure it's not because the armor values of every target higher than 80 got buffed hugely?
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85 Blood Elf Paladin
4375
I'd rather it do 175% weapon dmg and completely bypass armor. For what it takes to get this ability up and running, it shouldn't just be an attack where the pld suddenly swings a little harder
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80 Human Paladin
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Until 85, those 3 HP are better served in a Selfless Heal at the moment. I've seen 3 HP WoG's crit for ungodly amounts.
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85 Night Elf Rogue
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Drop it to 175% of weapon damage and have the whole thing hit as holy damage.
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90 Orc Warlock
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Level 85 will fix it.

Really.
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90 Human Rogue
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I used to think the idea of a holy damage TV was insane, but your right, every other class does do a significant amount of armor passing damage anyways. Fury won't have as good uptime on CS, but other then that, even combat rogues do more elemental damage than pallies do now, and hunters are practically like old ret, where whatever issues they have, all their damage except auto-shot will be elemental in cataclysm.
Edited by Lurerre on 12/2/2010 8:00 AM PST
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85 Blood Elf Paladin
4375
I'd rather it do 175% weapon dmg and completely bypass armor. For what it takes to get this ability up and running, it shouldn't just be an attack where the pld suddenly swings a little harder


Bypass armor and Holy Damage are exactly the same thing.

It's just people seem to get all uppity when a Paladin does it, but dont batt an eyelid when Warriors do.

My point without being so bitter?

Make TV deal some Holy Damage.

Holy dmg would be OP, it just needs to completely bypass armor
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100 Tauren Shaman
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Are you sure it's not because the armor values of every target higher than 80 got buffed hugely?


It's more because just about everything Ret does, especially in PvP, is now physical damage.

Apparantly 100% armor penetration is only OK for Warriors... and Feral Bleeds.. and.. you get the point.

What's armor?

Oh, wait... sorry Pallies!

Holy dmg would be OP, it just needs to completely bypass armor

Isn't....that what Holy damage does?

I mean. Lava Lash bypasses armor, and deals Fire damage...
Edited by Matuk on 12/2/2010 8:02 AM PST
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85 Blood Elf Paladin
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Ret went from being the best melee vs armor by default to the worst. I don't see how blizzard nerfed all rets holy damage and buffed mutilate and envenom.

Yesterday I was cold blood envenom'd for 13k on my 1350 resilience. Fair.

I want my finisher to be that good.
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85 Worgen Death Knight
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Ret went from being the best melee vs armor by default to the worst. I don't see how blizzard nerfed all rets holy damage and buffed mutilate and envenom.

Yesterday I was cold blood envenom'd for 13k on my 1350 resilience. Fair.

I want my finisher to be that good.


I thought Hammer of Wrath was your finisher? And it DOES hit stupid hard.
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