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12/04/2010 7:08 PMPosted by Kenmore

12/04/2010 5:27 PMPosted by Fridays

There is no way you're seeing 11k dps

Zero, no, not happening.

Our dps is +/- on par with other healers.

Holy Pallies do more damage than other healers. In PvP anyway, and I don't give two @*@!s about what they do in PvE since that's just about killing scripted dragons.

That's mostly due to a stupidly high base damage figure. The scaling is on par.

Pallies are slightly higher if it's just a nuke fest - however if set up is involved (dots etc) the disparity drops/becomes near non-existent. The other aspect of this too is that the opportunity for other healers to dps/play offensively in pvp is higher due to hpal's lack (see: no) proactive healing. As you said you care about pvp; and in a real scenario I can't see hpals being anymore offensive than any other healer. Time will tell though, I'm fine with being wrong.

If the exor glyph is stacking that could have a lot to do with this too.

I started doing heroics today on this alt and damn near came close to 5K with my poopy gear. I'm positive that with more spellpower I could hit much higher. But I just hit 80 today so I still have BOA things equipped, lol.

I don't think it's a big deal though because if you exo-spam a boss and blow wings and divine favor all at once, you go out of mana anyway and it's just a short time.

It's not like it's viable on someone with resilience in a pvp setting. At least from my point of view. The newb.

Just to touch on this; the base damage is extremely high for some reason. Even in low gear exor does surprising damage. Honestly I'd be fine with the base damage lowered for smoother scaling.

12/04/2010 8:08 PMPosted by Fridays

That's mostly due to a stupidly high base damage figure. The scaling is on par.

noooo, have you looked at the coefficient of exo?

holy pally dps will actually go DOWN to 85. Not just down as in "compared to other healers", but down as in "I did 8k at 80 and 6k at 85" due to the changes in haste and crit rating.

12/04/2010 8:20 PMPosted by Swordshatter

12/04/2010 8:08 PMPosted by Fridays

That's mostly due to a stupidly high base damage figure. The scaling is on par.

noooo, have you looked at the coefficient of exo?

holy pally dps will actually go DOWN to 85. Not just down as in "compared to other healers", but down as in "I did 8k at 80 and 6k at 85" due to the changes in haste and crit rating.

The coeff has been buffed but it's still way under the other healer nukes

Exor: 34%
Smite: 71.43% (plus a recent buff, I can't find the new coef numbers though)
LB: 71.43%
Wrath: 57.14%

12/04/2010 8:29 PMPosted by Fridays

12/04/2010 8:20 PMPosted by Swordshatter

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That's mostly due to a stupidly high base damage figure. The scaling is on par.

noooo, have you looked at the coefficient of exo?

holy pally dps will actually go DOWN to 85. Not just down as in "compared to other healers", but down as in "I did 8k at 80 and 6k at 85" due to the changes in haste and crit rating.

The coeff has been buffed but it's still way under the other healer nukes

Exor: 34%
Smite: 71.43% (plus a recent buff, I can't find the new coef numbers though)
LB: 71.43%
Wrath: 57.14%[/quote]

That's because the base damage is pretty high.

That was my entire point.

base damage is high = lesser gear it hits comparatively hard

lower coeff = end game it aligns with the other healer's dps

The coeff has been buffed but it's still way under the other healer nukes



Exor: 34%

Smite: 71.43% (plus a recent buff, I can't find the new coef numbers though)

LB: 71.43%

Wrath: 57.14%

Keep in mind Exorcism has a base 1.5s cast, while the other healer nukes are all 2.5s (Priests and Druids can talent to 2.0s base which improves scaling, but they're closer than this would indicate.)

12/04/2010 8:59 PMPosted by Serres

The coeff has been buffed but it's still way under the other healer nukes



Exor: 34%

Smite: 71.43% (plus a recent buff, I can't find the new coef numbers though)

LB: 71.43%

Wrath: 57.14%

Keep in mind Exorcism has a base 1.5s cast, while the other healer nukes are all 2.5s (Priests and Druids can talent to 2.0s base which improves scaling, but they're closer than this would indicate.)

Yup, I'm saying it is pretty close and that's not including other aspects such as dots or other 1.5 sec casts (iirc mind blast and LvB both have a 54% coeff).

In terms of pvp utility contributions have to be taken into account such as offensive dispels, cc, shears or the availability to go offensive such as using proactive heals.

Basically it's fine, although I would prefer a lower base damage figure with a slightly more pleasing coeff.

12/04/2010 8:08 PMPosted by Fridays

I started doing heroics today on this alt and damn near came close to 5K with my poopy gear. I'm positive that with more spellpower I could hit much higher. But I just hit 80 today so I still have BOA things equipped, lol.

I don't think it's a big deal though because if you exo-spam a boss and blow wings and divine favor all at once, you go out of mana anyway and it's just a short time.

It's not like it's viable on someone with resilience in a pvp setting. At least from my point of view. The newb.

Just to touch on this; the base damage is extremely high for some reason. Even in low gear exor does surprising damage. Honestly I'd be fine with the base damage lowered for smoother scaling.

I dont doubt that. If it did scale smoothly it would hit for a gazillion with decent gear.

bump

Having a pally alt, paladins have the strongest dps of all healers by far.

(that is, between my druid and priest. My priest does terrible dps as a healer lol, druid isnt much better outside tree form).

He probably just blew every CD and had 284 gear. I can go disc on my priest and do 9k on bosses because I blow PI / berserking and the boss dies before they end.

http://lastonesstanding.guildlaunch.com/gallery/gallery_detail.php?gallery=108043&gid=143740

here is a link of holy deeps pulling over 9000 dps .....

go to the link and its a pic dumb ass

i have never heard of a tank pulling 9k...

ok lets say it was a tank...it would never pull 9k.

Yeah that was me, i'm the holy pally and i did pull 9k on skadi there, i do have a tank spec but that was most definitely in my holy deeps spec hardly trying and drew aggro on the actual one that tanked