Topic I feel bad for Ret dps at 85
Prølific
Cenarius
Prølific
80 Draenei Hunter
1650
Out of all the heroics I have been running I have yet to see ret pallies do even remotely appropriate dps. I have seen a few boss encounters where you could obviously tell they hit a lot of back to back RNG proc's but outside of that I don't even want one near me.

I thought at first the nerf before Cata launch was to balance Ret out at 85 but after seeing the dmg they deal compared to all other classes it's back to them most likely being the laughing stock of the game again for dps. They have been 4th overall in every 5 man i've been in with them. The only ones they are beating are the healers.

I have been running with our top dps mainspec ret from wrath who knows his proper rotation and he's just getting splattered in dmg. Hopefully a few incoming buffs back to a few of their dmg abilities will find their way back to ret here in the next week or 2
Driftwood
Malorne
Driftwood
21 Undead Rogue
170
What is your main that is actually running heroics now?
Driftwood
Malorne
Driftwood
21 Undead Rogue
170
12/08/2010 12:08 PMPosted by Songs
And... ? Retadins were so OP last patch it wasn't funny... They also had the best situation for a hybrid lets see they had...
1.As much armour as a tank
2.Spellpower for heals (as good as the healing class) and Holy attacks
3.A invincible bubble !?!?!?

why should they be good when they have the best situations out of all the hybrids THEY SHOULD BE THE LOWEST they have the BEST survivability thats like if i was super powerful in bear form it makes no sense
Plus they're healing class coming into Cata is REALLY GOOD and their Tank's are REALLY GOOD give it a break dude


What a terrible post, seriously.
Songs
Alexstrasza
Songs
82 Night Elf Druid
3015
Edited by Songs on 12/8/10 12:12 PM (PST)

Says the guy hiding behind a 21 rogue *claps
Driftwood
Malorne
Driftwood
21 Undead Rogue
170
An ad hominem won't redeem you, sorry.
Songs
Alexstrasza
Songs
82 Night Elf Druid
3015
Wow you're cool good use of words except for it wasn't used right your statement is invalid
Driftwood
Malorne
Driftwood
21 Undead Rogue
170
12/08/2010 12:17 PMPosted by Songs
Wow you're cool good use of words except for it wasn't used right your statement is invalid


You should show your post to <Demolition>, especially the paladins. I'm sure they'd love to read your irrational thoughts.
Songs
Alexstrasza
Songs
82 Night Elf Druid
3015
Edited by Songs on 12/8/10 12:23 PM (PST)
I have a Paladin myself ?? whats your point more stupid nonsense? you're statement is still invalid but now it's also stupid

Also now is a correct time for Ad hominem but you're the one doing it
Calsun
Hydraxis
Calsun
85 Dwarf Paladin
3825
Edited by Calsun on 12/8/10 12:23 PM (PST)
12/08/2010 12:08 PMPosted by Songs
And... ? Retadins were so OP last patch it wasn't funny... They also had the best situation for a hybrid lets see they had...
1.As much armour as a tank
2.Spellpower for heals (as good as the healing class) and Holy attacks
3.A invincible bubble !?!?!?

why should they be good when they have the best situations out of all the hybrids THEY SHOULD BE THE LOWEST they have the BEST survivability thats like if i was super powerful in bear form it makes no sense
Plus they're healing class coming into Cata is REALLY GOOD and their Tank's are REALLY GOOD give it a break dude


NO WAI THEY HAVE BUBBLE PLATE AND HEELZ

OP NERF NERF NERF NERF
Songs
Alexstrasza
Songs
82 Night Elf Druid
3015
Well Calsun how is that fair to rogues and mages what can blizzard do to make Retadins fair to play in PVP against them since they also have resilience
Did you ever wonder why everyone made a Retadin paladin last patch?
I admit there has to be a fair medium but with all the advantages paladins have already it would be hard to make an even playing field without going overboard again
All you want is to go back to where they just button mashed and got highest DPS with absolutley no skill
Driftwood
Malorne
Driftwood
21 Undead Rogue
170
12/08/2010 12:21 PMPosted by Songs
Also now is a correct time for Ad hominem but you're the one doing it


This gave me a good chuckle.
Songs
Alexstrasza
Songs
82 Night Elf Druid
3015
12/08/2010 12:27 PMPosted by Driftwood
12/08/2010 12:21 PMPosted by Songs
Also now is a correct time for Ad hominem but you're the one doing it


This gave me a good chuckle.


Yeh because it's true now go grovel in a corner just because you can see my guild doesn't make you cool and made absolutely no sense i could make a level 21 noob and post on forums too but i have dignity unlike you
Driftwood
Malorne
Driftwood
21 Undead Rogue
170
12/08/2010 12:32 PMPosted by Songs

Yeh because it's true now go grovel in a corner just because you can see my guild doesn't make you cool and made absolutely no sense i could make a level 21 noob and post on forums too but i have dignity unlike you


That is a really long sentence. When you do decide to add a period, let me know. I want to know how it ends.
Songs
Alexstrasza
Songs
82 Night Elf Druid
3015
12/08/2010 12:35 PMPosted by Driftwood
12/08/2010 12:32 PMPosted by Songs

Yeh because it's true now go grovel in a corner just because you can see my guild doesn't make you cool and made absolutely no sense i could make a level 21 noob and post on forums too but i have dignity unlike you


That is a really long sentence. When you do decide to add a period, let me know. I want to know how it ends.


Because we all know that attacking my grammar now isn't also a ad hominem right...

Good job i like how you only contradict yourself at every turn.
Calsun
Hydraxis
Calsun
85 Dwarf Paladin
3825
12/08/2010 12:27 PMPosted by Songs
Well Calsun how is that fair to rogues and mages what can blizzard do to make Retadins fair to play in PVP against them since they also have resilience
Did you ever wonder why everyone made a Retadin paladin last patch?
I admit there has to be a fair medium but with all the advantages paladins have already it would be hard to make an even playing field without going overboard again
All you want is to go back to where they just button mashed and got highest DPS with absolutley no skill


so Ret need to do sub-par dps because they have BUBBLZ, PLATEZ, AND HEELZ, right? (3 things that have zero impact on dps.....)

go read the 10+ page thread about how clunky and incomplete the ret pally spec feels right now.

I dont have an 85 yet, but I have 6 80's... this ret spec in its current form is the most clunky spec Ive ever played in this game....and it sounds like from what people are posting that beyond being extremly clunky it also has terrible DPS.


Why are you even posting in this thread again?
Delindia
Saurfang
Delindia
85 Blood Elf Warlock
1860
12/08/2010 12:08 PMPosted by Songs
And... ? Retadins were so OP last patch it wasn't funny... They also had the best situation for a hybrid lets see they had...
1.As much armour as a tank
2.Spellpower for heals (as good as the healing class) and Holy attacks
3.A invincible bubble !?!?!?

why should they be good when they have the best situations out of all the hybrids THEY SHOULD BE THE LOWEST they have the BEST survivability thats like if i was super powerful in bear form it makes no sense
Plus they're healing class coming into Cata is REALLY GOOD and their Tank's are REALLY GOOD give it a break dude


If hybrids arent allowed to have decent dps, why are shadow priests doing so well?
Prieto
Hellscream
Prieto
90 Dwarf Hunter
14215
Wow the old bubble, plate, heals argument. I foresee lay on hands being added to the mix next.
Songs
Alexstrasza
Songs
82 Night Elf Druid
3015
Edited by Songs on 12/8/10 12:58 PM (PST)
12/08/2010 12:42 PMPosted by Calsun
12/08/2010 12:27 PMPosted by Songs
Well Calsun how is that fair to rogues and mages what can blizzard do to make Retadins fair to play in PVP against them since they also have resilience
Did you ever wonder why everyone made a Retadin paladin last patch?
I admit there has to be a fair medium but with all the advantages paladins have already it would be hard to make an even playing field without going overboard again
All you want is to go back to where they just button mashed and got highest DPS with absolutley no skill


so Ret need to do sub-par dps because they have BUBBLZ, PLATEZ, AND HEELZ, right? (3 things that have zero impact on dps.....)

go read the 10+ page thread about how clunky and incomplete the ret pally spec feels right now.

I dont have an 85 yet, but I have 6 80's... this ret spec in its current form is the most clunky spec Ive ever played in this game....and it sounds like from what people are posting that beyond being extremly clunky it also has terrible DPS.


Why are you even posting in this thread again?



Umm no... Ferals had the worst rotation and were the most "clunky" last patch don't think i have no idea about what you're talking about and it was a lot worse then current retadin problems i have 5 80's one being a pally even i just feel that if you do highten their DPS how do you make it so that they don't just dominate PVP again?
Also theirs no way they should have as good dps as rogues or mages that's just unfair the whole " BUBBLZ, PLATEZ, AND HEELZ" does matter everyone would be QQ'ing if suddenly rogues got those powers and people will also QQ if they make Pally's as strong as pure classes because thats just un fair considering all the choices Paladins are givin being hybrids
I think they should be more like warrior dps instead of being an overall class, they're the only melee class that can heal in battle succesfully and have the best armour this is looking in my perspective i mostly play WoW for PVP theres no way i could kill a retadin if you gave them everything you want
Retadins just shouldn't have heals but i agree they should have relativley good DPS as good as any other hybrid but not as good as mages rogues etc.
Prieto
Hellscream
Prieto
90 Dwarf Hunter
14215
When did rets ever dominate pvp?

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