Are top healing parses bad?

90 Draenei Shaman
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If you rank while healing does that just mean your raid is terrible and takes lots of damage?
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90 Blood Elf Priest
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A variety of reasons.

Including but not limited to:

-underhealing content
-fast kill times (long period of burst healing)
-your cohealers are underperforming either intentionally or because they are less skilled
-cheesing for the purpose of ranking (letting orbs sit on noru, ignoring healer cds)
-healer deaths.
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90 Night Elf Druid
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06/26/2014 04:12 PMPosted by Naérwen
A variety of reasons.

Including but not limited to:

-underhealing content
-fast kill times (long period of burst healing)
-your cohealers are underperforming either intentionally or because they are less skilled
-cheesing for the purpose of ranking (letting orbs sit on noru, ignoring healer cds)
-healer deaths.


Lifegripping your cohealer so they die on purpose so you can rank.

Not that I have tried it ...
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90 Tauren Druid
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Healing ranks are largely meaningless.
Summed it up quite well above;
06/26/2014 04:12 PMPosted by Naérwen
A variety of reasons.

Including but not limited to:

-underhealing content
-fast kill times (long period of burst healing)
-your cohealers are underperforming either intentionally or because they are less skilled
-cheesing for the purpose of ranking (letting orbs sit on noru, ignoring healer cds)
-healer deaths.


Couple of other factors;
1 Ranking on normal content at this point in the tier; You probably outgear by 20ilvls the earlier rankings.
2 Comp dependant. A resto Druid/Shaman with proper knowledge and play can rank fairly easily on a fight like say, Sha of pride. Throw a disc priest into that comp and there's no way no how he can possibly rank unless Disc dies or is incredibly bad/wearing str gear.
Edited by Tonydanza on 6/26/2014 4:23 PM PDT
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90 Orc Shaman
HC
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06/26/2014 04:01 PMPosted by Swiftyshaman
If you rank while healing does that just mean your raid is terrible and takes lots of damage?


No
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healers that rank are just padding idiots...
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90 Blood Elf Priest
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Aside from how fast the boss dies, healing numbers are also based on your raid comp. Suppose you are doing 25M with the following comps: 2 disc priest, 1 holy pally, and three other non absorbed based healers.

Anytime you have a disc priest or several of them inside a raid with a holy pally, you'll be finding yourself that the other non absorbed based healers will have extremely low effective hps numbers. On the other hand, if you have no disc priests or holy pallies in the raid, their hps numbers skyrocket.

While the latter will give you good healing numbers, the former will net you more successful boss kills because absorbs will stabilize the raid better than anything else. Generally speaking, of course.

An extreme example would be Thok:

Take 4 disc priest, 1 holy pally, and two others. I bet you anything the other two will be crying themselves to sleep after the kill.

That's why hps numbers are not indicative of skill and should be taken with a grain of salt.
Edited by Jadetea on 6/27/2014 10:47 AM PDT
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90 Tauren Shaman
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06/27/2014 10:42 AMPosted by Jadetea
An extreme example would be Thok:

Take 4 disc priest, 1 holy pally, and two others. I bet you anything the other two will be crying themselves to sleep after the kill.


Extreme you say?

http://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/MFAptbGycVY31JNz#fight=32&type=healing
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06/27/2014 10:42 AMPosted by Jadetea
Take 4 disc priest, 1 holy pally, and two others. I bet you anything the other two will be crying themselves to sleep after the kill.

That's why you should really not take 7 healers to thok anymore.
4 is enough. 5 if you want extra safety.
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90 Goblin Shaman
18140
Its mostly due to underhealing and (now) overgearing. As a result, faster kill times etc happen indirectly just from the extra dps, also making solo healing possible. Like we are going 25 man soon and I don't plan on taking more than 3-4 healers for most fights just because of said reasons.

A competent and decently geared shaman who has the raid in similar gear as him / her, is completely capable of solo healing the first 9 and the last 3 on 10h. spoils obviously not. Thok probably YES but it would be stupid since you would transition fast etc.

At 580+ ivl, 1 tank 1 heal results in most boss fights end at 2:30 minutes - 3 minutes so it isn't exactly hard.
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I solo healed HSpoils on an under geared disc priest during our alt group progression, certainly you can solo it on a well geared resto shaman in 10m
Edited by Naxe on 6/27/2014 2:17 PM PDT
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90 Blood Elf Priest
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06/27/2014 02:15 PMPosted by Naxe
I solo healed HSpoils on an under geared disc priest during our alt group progression, certainly you can solo it on a well geared resto shaman in 10m


I generally let my shaman solo heal our side, (25H) and sort of just atonement, occasionally help out with tank damage.

I'm sure he probably could solo heal it, honestly.
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You can't do the fight the traditional way, you take 1 tank 1 healer and all 8 dps do one side, then jump over and do the other side with all 10 ppl. Do that 4 times and win.
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90 Blood Elf Priest
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Isn't that the typical way of doing in 10H?

I am a dirty 25m. I misinterpreted, but regardless he could definitely solo heal 1 side, if not just the whole thing. Shamans are kinda amazing.

(don't tell the other priests)
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06/27/2014 02:36 PMPosted by Naérwen
Isn't that the typical way of doing in 10H?

Not really.

Our shaman solo heals her side on Spoils each time. That's healing more people than if you were doing 10 man zerg strat with 1 healer. /shrug
Suplift refuses to play ret.
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90 Goblin Shaman
18140
Oh you're right, true didn't really think it through on spoils. Forgot that finishing both sides with 90-100 seconds + probably means.... exactly what you are saying. I am guessing you just left one dps on the spark side to kill all the sparks?

To others, the first 5 + nazgrim are so incredibly easy to do (like at 565 / 570+) and have been for an incredibly long time (and even more-so on a shaman). Dark shamans is annoying but you end up killing it so that people only have to play well for 180 seconds. Juggernaut H @ 580 when 1 tank 1 healing is a ~ 2 minute 20 sec encounter meaning you can blow all healing cooldowns before the phase. garr / siege are not difficult. And while paragons is annoying (and also probably pointless to do), its doable. Same on malk.

As for you OP, I didn't bother to see that you are doing normals which is my fault. If you are ranking at normals at this point, I am not sure what it means as most heroic raiders have not stepped foot into normals for an incredibly long time.
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90 Blood Elf Priest
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06/26/2014 04:12 PMPosted by Veroicone
06/26/2014 04:12 PMPosted by Naérwen
A variety of reasons.

Including but not limited to:

-underhealing content
-fast kill times (long period of burst healing)
-your cohealers are underperforming either intentionally or because they are less skilled
-cheesing for the purpose of ranking (letting orbs sit on noru, ignoring healer cds)
-healer deaths.


Lifegripping your cohealer so they die on purpose so you can rank.

Not that I have tried it ...


Not that your points aren't valid, but I don't think ranking on a fight is an indication of padding meters and what have you. If you look at world of logs you can see people who have cheesed the logs (or in some cases editted the log to show false values...) to get close to top rank. I don't think ranking on a fight is a matter of your group being bad though.

On a side note: I inadvertently had to solo heal Spoils last week. What a gong show. Our resto druid switched speaks and forgot to switch out of feral gear so she was oom in the first 30 seconds, lol. I'd say more props go to the people who use intelligent CDs to keep themselves and others alive as opposed to me who is just running from side to side shielding/AoEing - rinse and repeat. That fight is definitely a group effort.
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90 Orc Shaman
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Doing 25H spoils we 2-heal each side and I still wonder if two is even needed.

H Nazgrim I keep wondering if they ever considered healers being present in that fight to begin with. Nothing happens unless you screw up and get chained Warsongs, and even then you can just chain CDs because there is nothing else to blow them up for. :l
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90 Blood Elf Priest
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06/27/2014 03:21 PMPosted by Korgie
H Nazgrim I keep wondering if they ever considered healers being present in that fight to begin with. Nothing happens unless you screw up and get chained Warsongs, and even then you can just chain CDs because there is nothing else to blow them up for. :l


1 disc priest for bonecrackers.
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90 Orc Shaman
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06/27/2014 03:21 PMPosted by Korgie
Nothing happens unless you screw up and get chained Warsongs, and even then you can just chain CDs because there is nothing else to blow them up for. :l


Just man mode through defensive. You'll never get a War Song. Kill the boss before second zerker stance. I just AV bot till the double wave at the end and pop all my cds.
Edited by Duglawaha on 6/27/2014 4:42 PM PDT
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